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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28618059 - 01/11/24 08:12 PM (16 days, 49 minutes ago) |
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He just doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Anyone who knows anything about this subject understands that universal Healthcare (as in rest of the developed world) would be FAR more cost effective than the way we do things.
America is the wealthiest country in the history of the world... of course we could publicly fund healthcare.
I didn't even say anything . Lol. The meme implys it isn't free , and it isn't . It also says people that think it's free are stupid . Which is also true .
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Psily. What about free medical care and education troubles you? The government makes billions of dollars. Can’t they afford to pay for our education and health? Then we can continue to make them money. I don’t see the issue. But I’d like to hear your opinion on what you think about socialism is so inherently evil.
I don't think it's inherently evil , like communism . Perhaps the evil lies within me . I'm 45 and I've been to the hospital 0 times for anything . Ive spent my whole life working out and eating healthy . I genuinely care about the shape I'm going to be in when I'm older . Healthy people pay for sick people when healthcare is universal . Why should I have to pay for people like Woof's health when they have spent their whole lives fucking themselves up with hard drugs ? I don't want to pay for people who don't care about themselves . Way too many people fit that description in this country imo . I've had Kaiser for 23 years . Bernie wanted to take that away and put the govt that y'all say is so incompetent completely in charge . Fuck that , my health insurance is handled through my union , that I pay to handle shit . I can literally go to a meeting and yell at the elected officers in person if I don't like shit . I've been a member for 20 years I want the govt to stay the fuck out it .
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2] 1
#28618107 - 01/11/24 09:04 PM (15 days, 23 hours ago) |
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I would argue that everything is connected. So if we help everyone that has a problem. Even if it cost you a little bit. Even though you’re the exceptional person who’s been healthy this whole time. It means that everyone else won’t be desperately poor. I’m sure you’ve seen how expensive somebody’s treatment can be for surgery or cancer treatment. It can destroy people & families.
I feel like if everyone was willing to help each other. There would be a lot less misery in our country overall. That would be worth it.IMO
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No, no, no. Paying for poor people to have access to healthcare before their problems fully develop into expensive nightmares isn't fair! It's much better to put the money in some middleman's pocket that way you only have to pay for the middleman and also the sick poor people when they end up in the emergency room.
Oh, wait...
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Enlil]
#28618145 - 01/11/24 09:41 PM (15 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Enlil said: Cheaper Healthcare is an awful idea
Yeah sure.. it's a good idea to pay $13 for a Tylenol when you're hospitalized.
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2]
#28618149 - 01/11/24 09:45 PM (15 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Psily. What about free medical care and education troubles you? The government makes billions of dollars. Can’t they afford to pay for our education and health? Then we can continue to make them money. I don’t see the issue. But I’d like to hear your opinion on what you think about socialism is so inherently evil.
I don't think it's inherently evil , like communism . Perhaps the evil lies within me . I'm 45 and I've been to the hospital 0 times for anything . Ive spent my whole life working out and eating healthy . I genuinely care about the shape I'm going to be in when I'm older . Healthy people pay for sick people when healthcare is universal .
Why should I have to pay for people like Woof's health when they have spent their whole lives fucking themselves up with hard drugs ? I don't want to pay for people who don't care about themselves . Way too many people fit that description in this country imo .
It seems you fundamentally don't understand how health insurance works.
By the way, I have never been hospitalized, I don't take any medications, and I'm healthy as an ox. Hard drugs don't effect your health nearly as much as a lot of people think.
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28618156 - 01/11/24 10:00 PM (15 days, 23 hours ago) |
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I know you wanted to quit for your gf. I hope that went well btw.
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GenesisCorrupted said: I know you wanted to quit for your gf. I hope that went well btw.
Yeah, it's been a rough road, but I've been clean for a bit now.
Thanks bud!
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#28618161 - 01/11/24 10:12 PM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Glad to hear it man.
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28618166 - 01/11/24 10:20 PM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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US healthcare is about 15% to 17% of GDP...thats huge. Is it even realistic that legislation would be able to overcome the common downfalls or general shittines of our current system?
There would definitely be growing pains during implementation, and if a failure, would leave us in a much more fucked position. Whatever side of the fence, it would be a substantial risk.
Does anyone think Obamacare was a sucess?
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#28618171 - 01/11/24 10:28 PM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: US healthcare is about 15% to 17% of GDP...thats huge. Is it even realistic that legislation would be able to overcome the common downfalls or general shittines of our current system?
There would definitely be growing pains during implementation, and if a failure, would leave us in a much more fucked position. Whatever side of the fence, it would be a substantial risk.
Does anyone think Obamacare was a sucess?
This is one of those subjects that I wish Falcon was here for... because he would have some good insights and graphs and shit to present.
I think it's safe to say that you're 100% right, there would probably be a difficult transitional period. I think it would be worth it though.
If we're not going to have a single payer system, I at least wish our government would negotiate for cheaper drug prices. I'm sure there are a lot of things that can be done to reduce the cost of healthcare in this country.
I was just reading an article that was talking about how a very significant portion of boomer's wealth is going to get swallowed up by the healthcare system, instead of being passed down to their progeny. We pay more than anyone else in the world by a long shot, and by-and-large, Americans have shittier outcomes. I believe the life expectancy in America just went down in the past few years, even.
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#28618176 - 01/11/24 10:30 PM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Obamacare is corporate welfare for insurance companies.
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: ballsalsa]
#28618183 - 01/11/24 10:37 PM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Obamacare is corporate welfare for insurance companies.
We would have been just as well off with Romneycare. Does anyone even use the marketplace?
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28618361 - 01/12/24 06:32 AM (15 days, 14 hours ago) |
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Can you have the free healthcare for everyone you want without taking my private healthcare that I like away and forcing me into a govt program I don't want to be part of ?
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof] 2
#28618368 - 01/12/24 06:40 AM (15 days, 14 hours ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Obamacare is corporate welfare for insurance companies.
We would have been just as well off with Romneycare. Does anyone even use the marketplace?
The marketplace has broke records for signups the last 3 years.
Govt paid healthcare is popular the plans are the same that private companies offer just the man picks up half the tab.
It’s not govt run healthcare like some people like to pretend.
It ain’t the dmv.
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy]
#28618395 - 01/12/24 07:16 AM (15 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Every govt agency you have to deal with has the same basic level of customer service the dmv gives you and people don't understand why I don't want that cold indifference when I have to go for a prostate exam someday .
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy] 1
#28618413 - 01/12/24 07:35 AM (15 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Nobody that has national health care wants it to go away now. Most unions support it cause most unions understand that it has to be bargained from management to even have it at a higher cost cause the ones with insurance pay for those with out. This makes it already a higher burden on negotiations for wages and such and is why even countries like Canada that have similar wage rates can still build a car cheaper then us. The union gets it for us but it is not easy and could be better. There will always be problems to be solved in any system but I think busting my congressman's butt to fix them might be as easy as doing the same to the insurance company. Nobody that has it wants to get rid of it including us on the things we have so far.
P...nut You already have that indifference built in now.. If your doctor dies and you try and get a new one, it might take months cause they have enough patients that they only need you on their terms and not so much your terms.
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#28618425 - 01/12/24 07:50 AM (15 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: Every govt agency you have to deal with has the same basic level of customer service the dmv gives you and people don't understand why I don't want that cold indifference when I have to go for a prostate exam someday .

Wow... I never knew insurance companies were so deeply involved in prostate exams. I suppose you want a warm, loving touch... I just realized what it is about your punctuation!!! 
Blue_Lux knows what I'm talkin about..
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2] 2
#28618435 - 01/12/24 08:10 AM (15 days, 12 hours ago) |
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you would still go to the doctors office staffed by reasonably competent medically individuals the govt would just replace the for profit aspect. ideally.
maybe talk to a canadian?
honestly NJ dmv has been streamlined and is extremely efficient compared to the other states ive lived in. if thats how a doctors appointment would happen? meh.
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