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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28617116 - 01/11/24 02:31 AM (16 days, 18 hours ago)

It’s a small percentage of the country that has doubts about vaccines is the point.

Definitely not 50-50.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28617166 - 01/11/24 04:26 AM (16 days, 16 hours ago)

81% of US population has had at least one dose of COVID vaccine.  I'd say that's a fair guestimate of vaccine hesitancy for the other 19%.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Ice9]
    #28617219 - 01/11/24 05:52 AM (16 days, 15 hours ago)

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81% of US population has had at least one dose of COVID vaccine.  I'd say that's a fair guestimate of vaccine hesitancy for the other 19%.




I have no idea what the percentage of Americans is who have doubts about the vaccine, but I don't think we can accurately draw conclusions from that number. A lot of people were coerced into getting the shot for the sake of their job, etc... And there are also people who have gotten the vaccine, who have expressed regrets about doing so.

If anything it's higher than 20%, because nobody who didn't get the shot wishes they did.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28617233 - 01/11/24 06:01 AM (16 days, 15 hours ago)

Fair enough.  Probably slim enough difference that we could call it 25ish % and be done with it without being too far off the true number.

I would note that vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaccine are closely related but certainly.notnthe same.  Further, in the context of politics and the current time, how many people would be single issue voters where that single issue is the vaccine?  Would an antivax person vote for a provax politician?  What about a vaccine hesitant person?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28617253 - 01/11/24 06:26 AM (16 days, 14 hours ago)

It's been about a year and a half or more since I've heard anyone at work or social  gatherings after work mention Covid vaccines .    I feel like it's just Trump nutters on the internet that are still worrying  about it ....


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28617717 - 01/11/24 02:39 PM (16 days, 6 hours ago)

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Fair enough.  Probably slim enough difference that we could call it 25ish % and be done with it without being too far off the true number.

I would note that vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaccine are closely related but certainly.notnthe same.  Further, in the context of politics and the current time, how many people would be single issue voters where that single issue is the vaccine?  Would an antivax person vote for a provax politician?  What about a vaccine hesitant person?




Exactly. Not very many.

He was saying:

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RFK Junior never had a chance because of his anti-vaccine rhetoric.




I think his pro-Israel rhetoric, and saying things like "Palestinians are the most spoiled people on the planet" is much more damaging.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28617725 - 01/11/24 02:44 PM (16 days, 6 hours ago)

Out the gate he came in with anti-vaccine rhetoric. The Israel Palestinian conflict happened later and then he said stuff on that, and just completely blew his chances out of the water. But he already completely lost before he even got to that point.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28617732 - 01/11/24 02:50 PM (16 days, 6 hours ago)

If we assume mostly antivaxxers were his demographic of voters, that's only 25%, how many of those are likely voters?  Now factor in that the antivax movement is very Trump centric, and you cut that number down further.  I'd say him having no chance due to being anti-vaccine is pretty fucking accurate.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Ice9] * 2
    #28617749 - 01/11/24 03:17 PM (16 days, 5 hours ago)

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Fair enough.  Probably slim enough difference that we could call it 25ish % and be done with it without being too far off the true number.

I would note that vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaccine are closely related but certainly.notnthe same.  Further, in the context of politics and the current time, how many people would be single issue voters where that single issue is the vaccine?  Would an antivax person vote for a provax politician?  What about a vaccine hesitant person?




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If we assume mostly antivaxxers were his demographic of voters, that's only 25%, how many of those are likely voters?  Now factor in that the antivax movement is very Trump centric, and you cut that number down further.  I'd say him having no chance due to being anti-vaccine is pretty fucking accurate.




I don't think vaccines are the most important issue for most people. It's not even very relevant today. Certainly not "the" single issue people are voting on. Which is good, because it would be a very stupid single issue to vote on! lol

Who knows how well Kennedy would have done in the primaries. I do think a lot of Republicans, who don't like Trump, would have been inclined to vote for him in the general. RFK Jr would have outperformed Biden in the general, and if beating Trump is what people care about most, they may have voted for him just for that. RFK would have uttttterly smashed Trump, imo.

The optics of cancelling primaries, while saying that you're fighting for democracy, are pretty bad to your average voter. That's a fact. Especially given how the Democrats actively cheated Bernie out of the nomination years back.. Couple that with bringing a million charges against your political opposition during an election year... And fighting to get him thrown off the ballot.

It makes the American people see the democratic party as fundamentally undemocratic, whether yall like it or not.

My contention is that if the Democrats had just let things be, Trump wouldn't even be fucking relevant. He wouldn't be selling mug-shot t-shirts. He wouldn't have a leg to stand on as far as being a victim. Everything the Democrats are doing plays right into his narrative. Do they not understand how politics works at all?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28617750 - 01/11/24 03:21 PM (16 days, 5 hours ago)

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Out the gate he came in with anti-vaccine rhetoric. The Israel Palestinian conflict happened later and then he said stuff on that, and just completely blew his chances out of the water. But he already completely lost before he even got to that point.




Actually he was saying some pretty ridiculous pro-Israel shit right out the gate also. That is really what killed his whole campaign.


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    #28617925 - 01/11/24 06:07 PM (16 days, 2 hours ago)

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    #28617943 - 01/11/24 06:18 PM (16 days, 2 hours ago)

Psily.
What about free medical care and education troubles you?
The government makes billions of dollars. Can’t they afford to pay for our education and health? Then we can continue to make them money. I don’t see the issue. But I’d like to hear your opinion on what you think about socialism is so inherently evil.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 3
    #28617963 - 01/11/24 06:34 PM (16 days, 2 hours ago)

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Psily.
What about free medical care and education troubles you?
The government makes billions of dollars. Can’t they afford to pay for our education and health? Then we can continue to make them money. I don’t see the issue. But I’d like to hear your opinion on what you think about socialism is so inherently evil.




He just doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Anyone who knows anything about this subject understands that universal Healthcare (as in rest of the developed world) would be FAR more cost effective than the way we do things.

America is the wealthiest country in the history of the world... of course we could publicly fund healthcare.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28617978 - 01/11/24 06:50 PM (16 days, 2 hours ago)

It's not just fiscal for me. My experince with government run health care has been completely fucked. Say, if the government came up with a plan that was a complete 180 from the VA, they would have my attention.

Of course the current system is deeply flawed, as well. What would be less flawed is the question. It's a leap I dont think the government is ready for.


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    #28618015 - 01/11/24 07:31 PM (16 days, 1 hour ago)

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It's not just fiscal for me. My experince with government run health care has been completely fucked. Say, if the government came up with a plan that was a complete 180 from the VA, they would have my attention.




Everyone I know who has been on medicaid... loved it. The VA is different. I've definitely heard a lot of horror stories.

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Of course the current system is deeply flawed, as well. What would be less flawed is the question. It's a leap I dont think the government is ready for.




One thing that isn't in question is that if the government negotiates drug prices, Healthcare would be cheaper.

We pay more money for shittier outcomes than the rest of the developed world by far.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28618023 - 01/11/24 07:36 PM (16 days, 1 hour ago)

But, but, innovation or something...


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    #28618028 - 01/11/24 07:42 PM (16 days, 1 hour ago)

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But, but, innovation or something...




Good point.

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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28618031 - 01/11/24 07:46 PM (16 days, 1 hour ago)

Cheaper Healthcare is an awful idea


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