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OfflineKryptos
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww] * 1
    #28509591 - 10/18/23 02:39 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

I did change my post twice, to be more descriptive. My position is not that you are a dummy, my position is that you appear to be discounting the history of the middle east between 1947 and October 4th, 2023.

This has the effect of making Hamas the 100% unequivocal bad guy, because you conveniently ignore all provocations, war crimes, and other actions committed by both Israel and various Palestinian organizations over the last 76 years.

Therefore, this conclusion is either: (a) uninformed, in which case, I am bringing up the history of the conflict so that you can add that information to your analysis, or (b) made in bad faith, in which case I see no point having any discussion with you at all.

My example of WWII is very simple: If we ignore the actions of Nazi Germany and Vichy France between 1939 and June 5th, 1944; then the US is clearly the aggressor, attacking a sovereign nation in Europe with the largest unprovoked amphibious invasion in history. However, in the context of WWII, D-Day becomes, as you said, an obvious factor of national security.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28509597 - 10/18/23 02:45 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Kryptos said:
If you don't understand the concept of past events influencing decision making regarding current events, I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you.





The smug arrogance…
He wasn’t asking for a history lesson he was asking you to explain your stupid point.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28509599 - 10/18/23 02:47 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

I think it's a pretty clear point. For example, if we discount everything that took place before the post above this one, you just called me smugly arrogant for no reason at all. What the hell?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28509603 - 10/18/23 02:51 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Sorry but I don’t have the crayons to explain it.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww]
    #28509608 - 10/18/23 02:59 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Also if nazis can be considered a legitimate organization then so can can Hamas
Ya?
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Kryptos]
    #28509619 - 10/18/23 03:05 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Discuss at will or not, your choice.  I make my points as honestly as I know how.  I don't mind the opportunity to learn things I don't know.  In this case, my position is that what hamas did can not be justified as a good thing no matter what happened in the past or who does what in the future.  That it was not in the purist sense an act of protection of their security as it guaranteed bringing down pain on its citizens as it has retreated to where they live.  It does not and will never give them the high ground.  They world may react negatively to how a response is handled but it is not like when walter ruther was beaten or what happened with the Freedom Summer murders but more like those who were on the other side of those events.  They will always be bad acts regardless of what others do.  It only brings both sides more pain instead of resolution.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww]
    #28509625 - 10/18/23 03:11 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Quote:

Stable Genius said:
Sorry but I don’t have the crayons to explain it.




Clearly, you lack the crayons to understand a rhetorical as well.

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gww said:
Discuss at will or not, your choice.  I make my points as honestly as I know how.  I don't mind the opportunity to learn things I don't know.  In this case, my position is that what hamas did can not be justified as a good thing no matter what happened in the past or who does what in the future.  That it was not in the purist sense an act of protection of their security as it guaranteed bringing down pain on its citizens as it has retreated to where they live.  It does not and will never give them the high ground.  They world may react negatively to how a response is handled but it is not like when walter ruther was beaten or what happened with the Freedom Summer murders but more like those who were on the other side of those events.  They will always be bad acts regardless of what others do.  It only brings both sides more pain instead of resolution.




I do not seek to justify the actions of Hamas, I also believe that what they did was unjustifiable. I seek to understand the reasoning behind their actions. The historical context gives up clues as to why they did what they did.

I support the civilians on both sides who just want to live their lives in peace. I believe that both Hamas and the IDF are entirely in the wrong, using religious justifications to murder civilians. I do not support either "side", because they're all violent theocratic scumbags who are the source of the problems, and have been as long as religion has been around. They are a cancer on humanity, and I oppose both.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: ashfiken]
    #28509630 - 10/18/23 03:17 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Just some snippets from Hamas, let me guess, it's Iserals fault. I am trying to find womans lack of rights in Iseral, anyone have some examples like this? ( I think they cannot be judges, so, same)


- Women can't travel without a guardian (man).

-A womans testimony is worth half a man's ( I think).

- LGBTQ?, lol.

- If you don't wear a hijab, you get kicked outta school.


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Edited by SirTripAlot (10/18/23 03:19 PM)


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww]
    #28509637 - 10/18/23 03:23 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Kryptos
Fair enough.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Kryptos]
    #28509646 - 10/18/23 03:26 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Quote:

Kryptos said:
Quote:

Stable Genius said:
Sorry but I don’t have the crayons to explain it.



Clearly, you lack the crayons to understand a rhetorical as well.





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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28509668 - 10/18/23 04:00 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
Just some snippets from Hamas, let me guess, it's Iserals fault. I am trying to find womans lack of rights in Iseral, anyone have some examples like this? ( I think they cannot be judges, so, same)


- Women can't travel without a guardian (man).

-A womans testimony is worth half a man's ( I think).

- LGBTQ?, lol.

- If you don't wear a hijab, you get kicked outta school.




Rabbinical courts are the classic example. Only men can be judges on those. Historically, they have been limited to fairly minor roles in the legal system, but Netanyahu has tried to give Rabbinical courts more power, especially when it comes to divorce cases. That's what the protests in Israel recently were about.

There has also been a sharp increase in sex-segregated public spaces recently in Israel. Certain universities are starting to sex-segregate their classes, and the number of sex-segregated bus lines is increasing. Sex segregated bus lines, to me, are not really that big a deal (apart from the optics of segregated busses, especially in the US context), but sex-segregated university classes has been linked to essentially sex-segregated degree achievement, which is a lot more directly problematic.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28509679 - 10/18/23 04:17 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

The are basically making similar effort in the USA in the effort to privatize school and calling it school choice and sending the money to religious schools which I believe is an evil tactic.  Religion organizations are power centric and that usually only works if it is your picked religion.  They will always make effort to impower their influence in the whole world.  The problem is they can create algebra in Afghanistan until the religion gets powerful enough to make algebra evil.  Just saying.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww] * 1
    #28509706 - 10/18/23 04:48 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

What happened to all the memes and shit :confused:


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28509709 - 10/18/23 04:51 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

:seriousbusiness:


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy]
    #28509741 - 10/18/23 05:20 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: ashfiken]
    #28509744 - 10/18/23 05:22 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Fail post pic


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Edited by ashfiken (10/18/23 05:23 PM)


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: ashfiken] * 1
    #28509760 - 10/18/23 05:31 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28509789 - 10/18/23 05:55 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

I thought that was a bona-fide mushroom until I scrolled in.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Ice9] * 3
    #28509792 - 10/18/23 06:00 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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What happened to all the memes and shit :confused:



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28509816 - 10/18/23 06:20 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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I thought that was a bona-fide mushroom until I scrolled in.




In the t-shirt pic or my avatar?


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