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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
    #28507758 - 10/17/23 05:58 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2]
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28508095 - 10/17/23 12:45 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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Russia has NEVER claimed this. I think it was Lloyd Austin?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28508484 - 10/17/23 05:56 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28508856 - 10/17/23 11:20 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Nobody said they supported the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in Afghanistan.

Nobody is supporting Hamas either, maybe chops, but generally, it's the collective punishment sensible people despise.

From any side.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28508973 - 10/18/23 04:47 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Nobody said they supported the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in Afghanistan.

Nobody is supporting Hamas either, maybe chops, but generally, it's the collective punishment sensible people despise.

From any side.





Nobody ever stopped for a moment, either, and truly asked why and checked their proverbial pulses and teenage rage before they cast the entire world into a nebulous war on a word called “terror”, multiple wars that destroyed easily half a million lives, let alone the families and networks attached to them, resulted in the plundering of liberal democratic values, suspended habeus corpus, resulted in mass information collection all around the world, the curtailing of individual rights to degrees we’d never known and hey probably won’t get back, the imprisonment and torture of hundreds without any charge.

Fuck sides. I’d prefer we breathed out, gathered actual intelligence and made proper and transparent analyses of what took place…but that’s just me.



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Milleresque]
    #28509020 - 10/18/23 06:26 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

What hamas did regardless of anything else has screwed everybody.  There is right and wrong going forward but one wrong that started it and was did to start it.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww] * 1
    #28509304 - 10/18/23 10:56 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Bro this shit started back in 1947, and if there is one group to blame for it, it's the British.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Kryptos]
    #28509327 - 10/18/23 11:13 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Bro, not an excuse for what hamas did in the way they did it.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Kryptos]
    #28509340 - 10/18/23 11:22 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Yes the British and the French however the plan to carve up the Arab world was hatched during ww1


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww]
    #28509388 - 10/18/23 11:50 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Bro, not an excuse for what hamas did in the way they did it.




Yeah, but Hamas didn't start it. It's a long line of tit-for-tat retaliation starting in 1947.

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Yes the British and the French however the plan to carve up the Arab world was hatched during ww1




That plan is the cause of sectarian violence between the Shi'ites, sunnis, and Kurds. Adding jews to the mix didn't happen until 1947.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Kryptos]
    #28509401 - 10/18/23 12:03 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Yeah, but Hamas didn't start it. It's a long line of tit-for-tat retaliation starting in 1947.



But hamas did start it this time and in a way that is not related to any way most legitimate organizations do it.  They guaranteed and wanted tit for tat to continue (not stop) and all sides are hurt by it including the side they are supposedly on.  They may have did it to stop any possible gains in peace that might have been worked out by some in the region.  Two steps back is not a step forward.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww]
    #28509418 - 10/18/23 12:13 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Legitimate organizations who then qualifies, for that iconic point of reference??


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww]
    #28509425 - 10/18/23 12:16 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

I tend to defer to noted anti-semite, Norman Finkelstein on this topic


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: ashfiken]
    #28509466 - 10/18/23 12:51 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Legitimate organizations who then qualifies, for that iconic point of reference??



I don't know, maybe those whose history is not bombing restaurants full of civilians or hijacking planes or working primarily though hostage taking.  Those maybe not hiding among those who they supposedly support and using them as shields while doing things that make them need those shields.  Others can be bad but that does not mean that hamas is not bad cause they are and they are as well, indiscriminate against all that are not hamas including the people they use as shields.

They did not go in to concur territory but went in to cause pain and then ran back to hide knowing they would cause pain to those they hide behind.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww]
    #28509506 - 10/18/23 01:22 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Yeah, but Hamas didn't start it. It's a long line of tit-for-tat retaliation starting in 1947.



But hamas did start it this time and in a way that is not related to any way most legitimate organizations do it.  They guaranteed and wanted tit for tat to continue (not stop) and all sides are hurt by it including the side they are supposedly on.  They may have did it to stop any possible gains in peace that might have been worked out by some in the region.  Two steps back is not a step forward.




That's like saying that the US is at fault for WWII because they invaded Europe on D-Day.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Kryptos]
    #28509521 - 10/18/23 01:41 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

You would have to explain cause I don't understand your point.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww] * 1
    #28509576 - 10/18/23 02:21 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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Yeah, but Hamas didn't start it. It's a long line of tit-for-tat retaliation starting in 1947.



 
  They had the ability to end it , could have chose not to murder 1400 people .  That was a bad idea .


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28509581 - 10/18/23 02:23 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

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You would have to explain cause I don't understand your point.




If you don't understand the concept of past events influencing decision making regarding current events, I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you.

If you choose to ignore past events, and pretend nothing that happened more than two weeks ago matters, well...That's your choice, and I can't really do anything about that except consider you uninformed at best and acting in bad faith at worst.

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Yeah, but Hamas didn't start it. It's a long line of tit-for-tat retaliation starting in 1947.



 
  They had the ability to end it , could have chose not to murder 1400 people .  That was a bad idea .




Ukraine has the ability to end the Russo-Ukraine war by surrendering unconditionally as well. For some reason, they are choosing to defend their homeland. Weird, I know.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Kryptos]
    #28509586 - 10/18/23 02:31 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

So it is your position that I am a dummy cause I should have understood that d-day was done as retaliation.  If that is the case, and it was not cause it was in our national security interest, Why did we pick the hard beach where the soldiers were and didn't just highjack a plane with a bunch of civilians on it.

You changed your post twice while I was responding. Not being critical as I have to do it all the time but my above should still be good enough.


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