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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #28356010 - 06/11/23 06:20 PM (7 months, 13 days ago)



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28356532 - 06/12/23 05:21 AM (7 months, 12 days ago)

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Stable Genius said: Plus, jailing your political opponents is, well, it's banana republic stuff.




Trump broke the law, Biden didn't have to do anything in this regard. And it's not necessarily that Trump broke the law with taking the classified materials home, it's that he allegedly knowingly obstructed justice in having them returned.

What Pence and Biden had were no where near as severe and when asked to return the materials they did immediately. Trump didn't and now there's allegedly recordings of him admitting he knowingly obstructed justice and obliterating any defence of his actions he had.

Apparently Trump will be in court soon but the case isn't likely to be settled for years and if Trump won the presidency he'd probably preemptively pardon himself.

And if it's Trump v Biden again then imo Trump wins easily. Biden's just a propped up suit, not quite as zombified as Dianne Feinstein, but in a few years maybe.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28357091 - 06/12/23 01:14 PM (7 months, 12 days ago)

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I'm not refusing to see anything, I thought they found Joe's documents in a few different locations?

Plus some of them dated back to when he was only a senator.

I understand Trump tried to weasel his way around having them in his possession, but he took them when he was president.

Seems like hypocrisy to me. Not that I really give a shit, they're both obnoxious.




You don't seem to acknowledge the severity of trumps obstruction of justice. And your comment of 'but he took them when he was president', shows you don't seem to understand that he couldn't take the classified documents home. It sounds like you're making excuses and don't understand how it's not hypocrisy when you recognise the contents of the classified documents and the difference between obstructing justice and not.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28357451 - 06/12/23 05:24 PM (7 months, 12 days ago)

Trump didn't return the classified nuclear documents or national security/Israel security ones and was recorded admitting he knowingly obstructed.

If you got the obstruction of justice bit you'd know that's a major difference, along with the actual content of the classified documents which is more severe in trumps case.

If you wanted to say that Joe Biden did the wrong thing to the point of a chargeable crime, you'd say they should both go to jail, but you haven't made that point.

Y'all simping for trump now :lol:

He also never declassified what he took, if you believe he can think it to be declassified and it is, I've got a bridge to sell you.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28357821 - 06/12/23 11:41 PM (7 months, 11 days ago)

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Stable Genius said:
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sudly said:
If you wanted to say that Joe Biden did the wrong thing to the point of a chargeable crime, you'd say they should both go to jail, but you haven't made that point.

Y'all simping for trump now :lol:





Of course Joe Biden did the wrong thing, how can you argue it any other way? Oooo oooo but his lawyers handed over the classified documents he took :facepalm3:

Me simping for Trump? :flowstone: wow you have a vivid imagination.

So the head of the executive isn’t allowed to declassify documents? That’s what you’re saying right? But the 3 letter agencies that report to the head of the executive should be able to?

:popcorn:




Trump didn't declassify what he took or hand them back, and obstructed justice in doing so. And now he's allegedly been recorded admitting as much.

You're clearly suckling for those orange teets :sun:



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28357845 - 06/13/23 12:23 AM (7 months, 11 days ago)

Why's it so important for you to protect daddy trump when he commits da crimes..



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: sudly]
    #28357878 - 06/13/23 02:03 AM (7 months, 11 days ago)



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2] * 2
    #28361473 - 06/15/23 08:56 PM (7 months, 9 days ago)



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28361678 - 06/16/23 02:54 AM (7 months, 8 days ago)

*Heed our demands of sovereign nations or die!

According to such logic you'd support the US invading Cuba because of a Chinese base :cookiemonster:


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28362298 - 06/16/23 03:59 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

The difference with Trump is the degree of classification and the obstruction of justice. Biden and pence didn't have the same degree of classification or do the obstruction. See that defence of Pence?

I think Hilary did enough to be charged, she may not have had classified documents but she endangered national security by deciding not to use secure systems.

If Pence or Biden did Similar crimes, lock em up I'd say, but they didn't.

I don't want a banana republic where elites aren't being punished for their crimes.

If Trump handed over everything it would have been no problem and he probably would have received an apology letter, but that's not what happened.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: rxb]
    #28365072 - 06/19/23 05:11 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)



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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28385364 - 07/04/23 08:32 PM (6 months, 21 days ago)

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Stable Genius said:





Without context.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Ice9]
    #28385385 - 07/04/23 08:47 PM (6 months, 21 days ago)

Yeah, cus there are nazis on the Ukranian side and it's easy to misconstrue the amount or impact of that. As well as there being Nazi affiliations with Wagner etc too.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: tossed_salad]
    #28393004 - 07/11/23 11:18 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

Clusters bombs aren't considered war crimes by Russia, Ukraine or the US so fair game to them :shrug:

Neither ever signed the treaty banning cluster munitions.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: chopstick]
    #28404039 - 07/22/23 02:56 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

For prison? Haha, otherwise he appears to plan for a fascist comeback.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28404433 - 07/22/23 08:16 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

Is weird how anyone could think Trump isn't in bed with 'the deep state' or the swamp, just because he said he'd get rid of it, doesn't mean he did, he bathed in it throughout his term.

That faux populism..


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28405401 - 07/23/23 04:39 PM (6 months, 2 days ago)

He made some new implications to not need congressional approval for a lot of things among others that woukd give any president a whoooole lot more power. The kind of thing Trump woukd argue to the grave for the candidate of any other party not to have.

I'm saying there's a chance he'll be charged or something but even then I doubt he'll ever see a prison cell. Plus looks like his plan is just to try and extend things then pardon himself if he wins reelection.

He's still the runner up for primaries, but his recent rhetoric doesn't look good for the general, that said, if old Mc bones Biden is propped up again I'd probably put my bet on Trump to win, not because I want him to, but because Biden is a relatively weak debator compared to Trumps bravado.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy]
    #28405569 - 07/23/23 07:50 PM (6 months, 2 days ago)

I think he's rounding up his base, which may be good for a primary, but alienating to others, which may not be as good for a general, but again, I think the general really depends on if it's Biden or not.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #28405594 - 07/23/23 08:05 PM (6 months, 2 days ago)

Not definitely, my hopes on Marianne, but she's being shut out and dismissed from media quite heavily, because when she's on stage she's on fire and those who don't want the boat rocked aren't a fan.

So likely Biden, because even if he's a corpse he'll be propped up like Feinstein, but regardless, I hope the F not.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: gww]
    #28405645 - 07/23/23 08:38 PM (6 months, 2 days ago)

Here's an example of someone he recently put on who was convicted of lying to congress..

Just because some of those in his inner circle aren't in jail doesn't mean they're good for the people or worthy of a vote.

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Why the hell did President Joe Biden nominate a one-time protector of war criminals to a top administration post?

On the Monday before July 4—a black hole day for news—the White House let drop the word that it was appointing Elliott Abrams to the bipartisan US Advisory Commission on Public Diplomacy. The commission’s job is to oversee US government information programs designed to convey American diplomacy to the world. It keeps an eye on the US Agency for Global Media, which manages the Voice of America and similar programs. The commission essentially helps the United States present its idea of itself to the rest of the planet.

This is a task for which Abrams is distinctly unsuited.

Long a stalwart in neoconservative circles, Abrams was one of the many cheerleaders in the early 2000s for the disastrous Iraq War. A decade earlier, in 1991, as a player in the Iran–Contra affair, he pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress about the Reagan White House’s secret operation to arm the Nicaraguan Contras. In short: As a top State Department official, he engaged in a cover-up to hide the arguably illegal operation overseen by Oliver North.

But Abrams most odious (known) action occurred several years previously. As a top Reagan official, he dismissed reports that the US-trained-and-equipped military had massacred 1,000 civilians—including many women and children—in the Salvadoran town of El Mozote in December 1981. This was the largest mass killing in recent Latin American history. But Abrams wanted to protect the Salvadoran army, which the Reagan administration was showering with guns and money, despite its well-established record of human rights abuses. Abrams trash-talked American journalists who reported on the massacre and claimed the horrific reports were “implausible.” He praised the military unit that conducted this awful action. He suppressed the truth to assist killers.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/07/elliott-abrams-war-biden-white-house-bipartisanship/




Against Hillary, Trump looked strong, despite the validity of whatever claims and accusations or promises he made, he hit the feels and people liked that, because the status quo protection that Hillary represents isn't favoured by the majorities.

Hillary and Biden aren't a platform of the people, they don't support majority policy issues like medicare for all of legalised marijuana etc.

Trump just claimed he was to get over the fence and it worked, but when in power he showed all his populist talk was just talk, he negged on basically all of it.

The majority doesn't want the status quo that Biden represents and that's the problem. When people's lives are negatively impacted by the economics of a country, all they want is change because the system isn't working, and many can see the growing disparities between those in power and everyone else.

All Trump has to do is put on his facade of 2016 and talk about how he'll end the swamp and everyone else on stage is in it. Then take it off again if he wins.


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