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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27933483 - 09/04/22 11:06 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Soldiers of the Russian paramilitary Wagner Group give an interview to CNN & BBC!






This Wagner Group? I thought you were against neo-nazis, but now you're sharing their memes... Based.



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The Wagner Group (Russian: Группа Вагнера, romanized: Gruppa Vagnera), also known as PMC Wagner, ChVK Wagner, or CHVK Vagner, is a Russian paramilitary organization. It is variously described as a private military company (PMC), a network of mercenaries, or a de facto private army of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Officially the group does not exist. While the Wagner Group itself is not ideologically driven, various elements of Wagner have been linked to Neo-Nazis and far-right extremists.




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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27933557 - 09/04/22 12:02 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Leave it to Wikipedia to say "officially the group does not exist".

Even the Wikipedia co-founder says site is now ‘propaganda’ for left-leaning ‘establishment’.




This looks like one of those "poo poo head" arguments you're always railing against. The article is riddled with links to sources for the various claims made. The image I provided is easily verified as one of the flags used by the Rusich Company - part of the Wagner Group - and the combination of valknut and laurel wreath is blatant neo-nazis symbolism.

Why are you sharing neo-nazi propaganda disguised as meme?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27933733 - 09/04/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Those aren't contradictory statements, so whichever you prefer. Articles can be written about unofficial organizations - and considering that private military contractors are illegal under Russian law, it actually makes perfect sense that the Wagner Group would not have an official presence in order to maintain reasonable deniability. If you disagree, why not provide a link to their official website? For example, this is Blackwater's (now renamed Constellis) official website.

Regardless, you continue to avoid answering my question (to the extent you edited it out of your quote): Why are you sharing neo-nazi propaganda disguised as meme?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #27933760 - 09/04/22 02:29 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #27933787 - 09/04/22 02:49 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

According to the corporate newspeak:
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In an ever-changing and complex world, security concerns are paramount. Enhanced security requires education, training and specialized skills. Constellis provides end-to-end risk management and comprehensive security solutions to safeguard people and infrastructure globally. Our team of strategic problem solvers has a steadfast moral compass and unwavering dedication to creating a safer world. Constellis is committed to the success of our customers and partners.





According to reality:


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27934994 - 09/05/22 08:36 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Regardless, you continue to avoid answering my question (to the extent you edited it out of your quote): Why are you sharing neo-nazi propaganda disguised as meme?



Because this is a meme/comedy thread, and the Wagner Group response to an attempted CNN/BBC interview was funny.




Your "funny" video takes places in central Africa - this is how the Wagner Group actually behaves in the region:

Three Russian journalists murdered in Central Africa Republic

Central African Republic: Abuses by Russia-Linked Forces



Your meme-as-propaganda intentionally minimizes this violence in order to portray the Wagner Group in a favourable light. That flippant presentation, along with the ability to fall back on 'it was just a joke' when seriously challenged, has been a major tendency of fascist propaganda on the internet for at least half a decade now.

You're doing it right now with your 'I just thought it was funny' response. Maybe that's true in your case, but perhaps you should ask yourself why the pro-Russian videos fed to you via algorithm are beginning to pepper in openly fascist apologia as well, and ask yourself if that's a pipeline you want to journey down.

This is just a student newspaper, but one of the better explanations of the process that I could find: Opinion: It’s Not Just a Joke
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Memes have formed both shields and pipelines into fascistic ideology, coaxing a myriad of internet users into its ranks.




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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28128998 - 01/07/23 08:55 AM (1 year, 20 days ago)

What's wrong with liking cocaine? #memesmygrandmasendsme


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: doolhoofd]
    #28138933 - 01/14/23 03:33 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

Don't get your news from memes, folks.

Lesbian Says She Faces Jail for Trans Remarks But Her Critics Say Otherwise

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Gjevjon claimed she is under investigation for saying "men can't be lesbians," which is "unequivocally a lie," according to Aleksander Sørlie, the founder of the trans advocacy group, Norwegian Patient Organization for Gender Incongruence (PKI).

"There is no one who is educated on this law, even slightly, who would make that claim," Sørlie said, adding: "We don't think that statement should be illegal, we are also pro-free speech. She needs to be honest about why she is being investigated...she cannot lie and make up a story that is actually about harassment and not about some relatively minor comment about biology."

The law he is referring to is Section 185 of the Penal Code, which outlaws hateful speech made with "intent or gross negligence" against people based on race, skin color, religion, life circumstance, gender identity or expression, sexual orientation or reduced functional capacity.

In the Facebook post, Gjevjon targeted Norwegian activist Christine Jentoft, a trans woman who is a lesbian and a mother to an 11-year-old daughter.

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But Jentoft, a prominent Norweigan transgender advocate, didn't want the police involved because she "had no intention of doing anything about" Gjevjon's post.

"I found it ridiculous that she was literally quoting an already existing verdict from the Supreme Court, in an attempt to get herself investigated and convicted by the police. So, the police had to open an investigation against her without telling me," Jentoft told Newsweek, saying she has been the target of a harassment campaign by Gjevjon for years.

"She's totally free to voice those opinions, the problem is when she keeps voicing discriminatory opinions repeatedly towards the same person for years and years," Jentoft said.




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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: doolhoofd]
    #28139230 - 01/14/23 09:38 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

I'm confused - if that's true, why did you choose to post the misleading headline, especially sandwiched between the other two images. It's comes across as you trying to paint a untrue picture of LGBTQ culture, rather than portray a truthful image.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: doolhoofd]
    #28139290 - 01/14/23 10:16 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

Yes, I misunderstood. Since you've now been informed of the misleading nature of that specific headline, can you share a real example of "woke folk actually actively persecuting and cancelling others for speaking out"? That article describes the exact opposite -  perhaps you've been mislead more than once when forming this belief.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: doolhoofd]
    #28139726 - 01/14/23 04:06 PM (1 year, 13 days ago)

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Yes, I misunderstood. Since you've now been informed of the misleading nature of that specific headline, can you share a real example of "woke folk actually actively persecuting and cancelling others for speaking out"? That article describes the exact opposite -  perhaps you've been mislead more than once when forming this belief.



Jordan Peterson, one of the most reasonable people on the planet - banned from Twitter, by the way - speaking up against compelled speech (forced use of pronouns)




Banned from Twitter (at the time) for breaking their policy on hateful conduct by harassing a specific individual (Elliot Page). It seems to be a very similar situation to the Norwegian article you initially shared - misinformation from those with an anti LGBTQ agenda included. He wasn't compelled by the State to say anything - he chose to harass an individual, and that broke Twitter's TOS (at the time).

Peterson has been doomsaying this looming imposition of State compelled speech since 2016 - but none of his claimed threats, that he could be prosecuted under provincial human-rights laws if he refused to call a transgender student or faculty member by the individual's preferred pronoun, have ever manifested - it's been eight years... Perhaps he was wrong?

The only discipline he has received over the years has been for transgressions against the standards of his various professional memberships. Meanwhile, he's also gone on to publish several bestselling books, and continues to recieve millions of views for his online lectures. Is he really an example of "woke folk actually actively persecuting and cancelling others for speaking out"?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: doolhoofd] * 1
    #28140206 - 01/14/23 08:24 PM (1 year, 13 days ago)

J K Rowling is one of the best selling authors of our time, partially responsible for one of the top grossing movie series ever, and currently connected to one of the most highly anticipated video games of 2023 - that's cancelled?

I think you need to define 'cancel' because you've just given me two examples of immensely popular, highly influential individuals, with voices that easily reach millions (if not billions).


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28140243 - 01/14/23 08:45 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

Did you protest with the anti-witchcraft folk, or separately?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: doolhoofd] * 1
    #28140827 - 01/15/23 08:48 AM (1 year, 12 days ago)

Controversial individuals receiving threats and harassment is hardly unique to people who criticize LGBTQ culture though - shitty people exist across the social spectrum.

If hateful social media messages directed at immensely successful individuals is the worst example of 'persecution' you can find, why do you think 'woke folk' deserve special attention for 'cancelling'?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: chopstick]
    #28140831 - 01/15/23 08:51 AM (1 year, 12 days ago)

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You must be new to the political discussion forum.

You should be advised you're talking with folks who automatically look down on anyone criticizing the behavior of the Woke crowd as fascist, racist, domestic terrorists, etc.

There is no example you can use to satisfy someone like Shivas because he simply doesn't care, he will never concede in a million years that you might have a point, because he isn't interested in the truth.



Get out of my mind!

What's wrong with asking questions to better understand his position?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: doolhoofd]
    #28140925 - 01/15/23 09:53 AM (1 year, 12 days ago)

:lol: Too challenging for ya? Did I just get cancelled?


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"It might be useful to listen to people that annoy you, on the off chance that they know something that, if they tell you, you can use instead of dying. Talking to people who agree with what you say, is like walking around in a desert. You already know everything that they say. The reason you're associating with them in that situation is so they never say anything that challenges you - because you're afraid that if you go outside of what you understand, you won't be able to tolerate the chaos. But, it isn't the case. People have an unbelievable capacity to face and overcome things they don't understand. And not only that, but that is essentially what gives life its meaning." - Jordan Peterson


"I regard free speech as a prerequisite to a civilized society, because freedom of speech means that you can have combat with words. That's what it means. It doesn't mean that people can happily and gently exchange opinions. It means that we can engage in combat with words, in the battleground of ideas. And the reason that that's acceptable, and why it's acceptable that people's feelings get hurt during that combat, is that the combat of ideas is far preferable to actual combat." - also Peterson


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: doolhoofd] * 1
    #28140993 - 01/15/23 10:35 AM (1 year, 12 days ago)

And yet you're the one refusing to answer my questions; not vice versa. Go ahead and criticize my arguments instead of answering my questions, if that's easier for you.

Live up to those Jordan Peterson quotes you chose to share!


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: doolhoofd] * 1
    #28141140 - 01/15/23 12:08 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

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How utterly amusing you should happen to use that precise term: "special attention!"
Since "special attention" happens to be exactly what the Woke Folk are after.




Of course some people want special attention for their chosen pronouns; and they're free to hold that belief and to consider people negatively if it's not respected. That's not a pass to harass or threaten others though. And of course it's not our obligation to validate that belief; but no one is being forced to act otherwise. Disagreeing with an individual's gender expression is also not a pass to harass or threaten others. Remember that Jordan Peterson first started warning about State compelled speech regarding pronouns in 2016 - Bill C-16 still passed, and no one has been jailed for misuse of pronouns since. As I asked earlier - perhaps Peterson was wrong?

Your first example was actually a story about a person being punished for harassing another person, rather than merely making general statements against gender expression. It also showed that both the targeted trans person and a major Norwegian LGBTQ organization felt that police involvement for such a thing is unnecessary.

Your next two examples were of highly successful people who face social controversy and hateful critics; but no legal consequences have prevented them from continuing to express themselves as they see fit, to a wide audience.

Your most recent example is of a person who is exhausted by their apparent inability to force other people to validate their chosen pronoun.

This is persecution and cancelling? Considering the prevalence of events like the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting, isn't it reasonable for me to ask why you believe your above examples deserve special attention?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy]
    #28141265 - 01/15/23 01:33 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

Especially considering Hitler and Stalin both criminalized and persecuted LGBTQ identities, while Mussolini unsuccessfully attempted criminalization, but settled for administrative punishment. The only outlier is Mao, who didn't implement an official policy either way.

He's really saying we must persecute the 'abomination' of LGBTQ indentity lest we risk repeating the wrongs of Hitler and Stalin. :lol:


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