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HELP!!! Beginner mycologist
#27913321 - 08/22/22 08:23 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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So my pet has some spores...and a spawn bag. He needs to know what else he would need to aquire and what to do with those acquired things(in layman's terms) to make a successful grow happen. He also has around a 200$ budget. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman] 5
#27913325 - 08/22/22 08:28 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Check this thread out by Rotnpins. It explains why spores to grain isn't the best idea. Spores to grain
Here is what we recommend if you have a spore syringe Updated pf tek When I had colonized jars I broke 4 up per Shoebox like this.
Good luck and welcome to the Shroomery!
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman] 3
#27913329 - 08/22/22 08:30 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agar agar powder Light malt extract Sterile Petri dishes (90mm triple vented) A large clear tote to build a still air box No. 7 scalpel handle No. 11 scalpel blades Parafilm / Saran / cling wrap Kitchen jet torch Wire rack for working on in SAB ISO alcohol 70% Inoculation loop for spreading spores 500ml media bottle or old whiskey bottle covered in foil (to hold your liquid agar before you sterilise and pour it)
Pretty much all you need to get a clean inoculant that you can then transfer to your spawn bag, I might have forgotten something 
The agar powder and light malt extract is for creating a nutritional media (10g agar, 10g malt, 500ml H2O), you can steam sterilise it in a media bottle or old whiskey bottle covered in foil, pour it into your sterile Petri dishes inside your SAB, wrap them with parafilm or other wrap, when the medium solidifies, you can streak your spores (flame sterilise the loop with the jet torch), wait for it to grow, take transfers with the scalpel (again flame sterilise) and wait for them to grow. Sanitise everything with ISO such as the sleeve containing the Petri dishes before you open it.
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Vibetyme]
#27913335 - 08/22/22 08:34 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Much appreciated
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Guerrilla] 1
#27913337 - 08/22/22 08:35 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sweet. I'll start making my list
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman]
#27913348 - 08/22/22 08:39 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does your pet have opposable thumbs or are you asking for yourself? Make sure you pick up a dehydrator before you need it.
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: The Tao]
#27913418 - 08/22/22 09:39 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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toss the spawn bag, do PF tek. links in sig
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: bakedbeings] 2
#27913424 - 08/22/22 09:44 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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PF tek is suitable for a beginner wanting a small supply with use of a a spore syringe, sure, but if OP's willing to get the resources and try to learn agar, fuckin good on him. No need to push PF onto someone willing to learn.
I would actually suggest maybe you do PF tek also, but not to toss the spawn bag that you've paid money for.
Use the PF tek as a backup so you can surely get some mushrooms while you are learning agar. It would be a few extra supplies on top of what I mentioned, but worth the insurance IMO.
Once you get the hang of agar it's definitely advisable to ditch buying premade grain spawn, get a pressure cooker and do your own. Purchased grain spawn isn't always going to be clean but if you purchased from a solid vendor it should be fine.
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Guerrilla] 2
#27913560 - 08/22/22 11:53 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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totally sound advice, guerrilla. i give major props to noobs who start day 1 with agar
i responded the way i did because 1) the fact that he bought a bag tells me he doesnt already have a pressure cooker, 2) he was all lined up to shoot some spores into something and let it colonize, so why not do the same thing but the right way, and 3) dry spores usually have a better time on agar than spore solution, and teasing apart healthy myc from a baceterial plate is pretty high level for your first grow, so i figured he could spend his syringe the way it was intended and get a cornucopia of spore prints and cloning material while shopping for a PC, building a SAB, researching agar teks, etc (if thats the way he wants to go)
but at the end of the day this site is all about letting ideas comingle. OP should read (almost) everyones opinions and do whatever makes sense. if he nocs up that bag there is either a 100% or 0% chance he'll harvest something, thats the funny thing about those products
edit - 1 once got 7 ounces out of one syringe with PF TEK, and i once bought 10 spawn bags to watch 7 turn green and 3 fill with yogurt...so you bet youre ass im biased as fuck
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: bakedbeings]
#27913634 - 08/22/22 12:43 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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marketing really has a grip on the pre-made grain spawn unfortunately its such a crap shoot - especially if you want to grow more than one time lol
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: bakedbeings] 1
#27913635 - 08/22/22 12:45 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha I appreciate everything you're saying bro, and your edit. 
But just to address point number 2, OP actually never suggested he was going to inject the spores, it sounded like quite the opposite.
He asked what other materials he would need and what he would need to do with them in order to have a successful grow. If you read again you will see what I mean (particularly the $200 budget part - you wouldn't have such budget if you planned on shooting the spores you have into the grain you already have).
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman]
#27913690 - 08/22/22 01:39 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Auzman said: So my pet has some spores...and a spawn bag. He needs to know what else he would need to aquire and what to do with those acquired things(in layman's terms) to make a successful grow happen. He also has around a 200$ budget. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
This link has everything you need my friend: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24420178
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Ashtray161] 1
#27913737 - 08/22/22 02:27 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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fair enough. i did jump to some conclusions. he didnt even say it was a ms syringe. i saw "spawn bag" and immediately got PTSD
to consider the $200 budget, when you add up the PC, SAB, scalpels, torch, plates, agar, etcetera, it does get a bit tight. not saying it cant be done, all depends on where you live i guess. i personally would not be able to buy those things for that amount of money, which is why PF tek came to mind
because i never pressure noobs to do PF. thats definitely not my main thing. this was the first time
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: bakedbeings]
#27913749 - 08/22/22 02:36 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bakedbeings said: fair enough. i did jump to some conclusions. he didnt even say it was a ms syringe. i saw "spawn bag" and immediately got PTSD
to consider the $200 budget, when you add up the PC, SAB, scalpels, torch, plates, agar, etcetera, it does get a bit tight. not saying it cant be done, all depends on where you live i guess. i personally would not be able to buy those things for that amount of money, which is why PF tek came to mind
because i never pressure noobs to do PF. thats definitely not my main thing. this was the first time

Depends also on how many things you already have lying around the house, whether you buy new or used ect. $200 could certainly be enough imo, but yea could be tight, especially if they buy everything new
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman]
#27923863 - 08/29/22 10:47 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you guys. I'll toss that bag lmao. Got a dehydrator awhile ago. Also yes my pet has opposable thumbs. The things this chimpanzee gets into, I'll tell ya
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman]
#27923902 - 08/29/22 11:14 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly in this day and age if someone said their pet was capable of all these things you’d probably get raided just because apparently your pet is human tier intelligence.
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Screwup]
#27928654 - 09/01/22 08:02 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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That would make amazing headlines lmfaoo
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman]
#27928734 - 09/01/22 09:16 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I went with spore syringe to all in one bag for my first run. I had no clue what I was doing. Stuff was dropped in my lap and went off some PDF I was given with the stuff. I ended up with 3 bacterial bags and one that never did anything. Of the 3 bags, one fruited decently, one had a few fruits and the other did nothing except sit there. I probably got like 30 grams dried out of all of that spawn.
The way you are starting out is far, FAR superior. The knowledge you'll gain here is immense. One little niblet about using the search engine. This site is legendary old and you'll come across a ton of great universal info and then also a lot of depreciated teks too. Many of them are clear and have a link to the current standard, some don't though. For example, I went out and made a SGFC and knowing what I now know, probably would have gone with a water tub or spawned to shoeboxes since without much dialing in my SGFC was prone to drying out cakes. Stuff like that, live and learn. I got good results out of the SGFC but it was more work that wasn't necessary.
Good luck, hope to see you around! Cheers!
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Vibetyme]
#27928750 - 09/01/22 09:29 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gonna use that pf tek. I'll update the results in another or so.
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman]
#27928756 - 09/01/22 09:34 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I got only 3 jars to take with my first grow but did great. Having terrible time getting grain to grow. I did 3 jars only 1 not contaminated. My problem is I wanted to increase humidity in my martha tent. I have a cool mist humidifier on the bottom and the hydroponic one I just bought. Humidity is still hovering around 70. Any suggestions other than misting? Should I get a fogger?
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman]
#27928825 - 09/01/22 10:31 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven’t seen the “my pet” thing on a new post since I’ve been here lol. A couple of decades ago it’s all over the forum; a plausible deniability thing. “My cat said the potency was good” or “my pet lizard is having trouble with this thing.”
Always fun to go back and look.
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Mamashroom765 said: I got only 3 jars to take with my first grow but did great. Having terrible time getting grain to grow. I did 3 jars only 1 not contaminated. My problem is I wanted to increase humidity in my martha tent. I have a cool mist humidifier on the bottom and the hydroponic one I just bought. Humidity is still hovering around 70. Any suggestions other than misting? Should I get a fogger?
you dont want to use a martha for this kind of growing. you just need a water tub, see sig
also if you have questions start a thread instead of derailing someone elses
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman]
#27928894 - 09/01/22 11:32 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd highly recommend checking out the H2O tub link in my signature...
A lot of the "getting started" threads like the one Ashtray161 shared suggest making a SGFC, but I've seen a lot of posts where people have issues getting them dialed in right.. the water tub is very simple to set up and keep optimal surface conditions.
Edit: I didn't notice the 2nd page, bakedbeans beat me to it
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I remember scrolling through this site almost 10 years ago. Just learning and reading. Never thought id be consulting with other members and doing stuff on my own. Glad to see this site is still what is was 10 years ago. I'll see you guys around
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Rotnpins]
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Rotnpins said: I'd highly recommend checking out the H2O tub link in my signature...
A lot of the "getting started" threads like the one Ashtray161 shared suggest making a SGFC, but I've seen a lot of posts where people have issues getting them dialed in right.. the water tub is very simple to set up and keep optimal surface conditions.
Edit: I didn't notice the 2nd page, bakedbeans beat me to it 
Yea the water tub is just as good if not better than a SGFC
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Ashtray161]
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Hey Auzman! Just checkin in on ya buddy. Hope you and the grow are well.
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Hello my friend, I'm glad to announce that things are going swimmingly. The jars are just about fully colonized. Had some low Temps at night that caused some slowing in growth but I got that controlled. Fruiting chamber is ready. Probably gonna start the consolidation period and in a week we should have the cakes in the sgfc. I'll update when we have pins
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#27980458 - 10/03/22 11:29 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hear SGFC isn't recommended anymore... wait for some more educated folks to guide you to the next step.
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#27980577 - 10/04/22 03:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Auzman said: Hello my friend, I'm glad to announce that things are going swimmingly. The jars are just about fully colonized. Had some low Temps at night that caused some slowing in growth but I got that controlled. Fruiting chamber is ready. Probably gonna start the consolidation period and in a week we should have the cakes in the sgfc. I'll update when we have pins 
Hey bro! Glad you checked back in!!! I'm so glad we got you sorted and in motion!! I've been having some lovely successes as well!!
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BoySage said: I hear SGFC isn't recommended anymore... wait for some more educated folks to guide you to the next step.
SGFC is considered outdated by some people. I will admit there are some easier FC designs like Mateja's water tub. Now, that being said, I can also show you dozens and dozens of highly successful grows in SGFC, including my own currently running.
One trend I have noticed where people have trouble with SGFC happens when the SGFC isn't fully populated. Think 2 half pint cakes in a 66qt SGFC. Not likely to work well. You need to load the box up. I have 10 cakes in a 66qt and it could stand to have more. Fahtster double stacked his cakes to great effect, he had 24 cakes together. The cakes themselves and their spacing are, in my view, crucial to getting the proper microclimates - probably because of the massive amount of FAE the SGFC provides.
The other thing, like ALL our work is surface conditions. Depending on your environment, and the stage of fruiting, you may have to mist upwards of 5 times a day. I tend to mist lighter when its just the small delicate primordia and pins, boost through the middle phase and then back off slightly when it's packed with fruits so as not to water log the fruits.
I take my spray bottle on mist mode. Hold it a good 2.5-3feet/~75cm over the SGFC. You really want those little aerosolized drops to hit all over your cakes top and sides. I do that until they are slightly glistening or you can see the small, small droplets on the visible mycelium.
SGFC TLDR: make plenty of cakes for the size of box you've got and mist regularly when needed
This thread helped me get targeted: The Misted Cake Project
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Hey guys. So the cakes are in the sgfc and it's been about 5 days. I keep the humidity at 90% and the temperature hovers anywhere between 75 and 80 degrees. Any words of wisdom from my people? Also I have the cakes resting on circular card board pieces. The mycelium is starting to cover the cardboard pieces. Good or bad thing? And when do you think I'll see some pinning
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Auzman]
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Personally I'd replace the cardboard with aluminum foil pieces the same size as your cakes.
The temp is fine. I like to keep mine somewhere around 72ish. A little warmer or cooler shouldn't hurt much. 80 is pushing it with bacterial or other nasties that thrive in this environment but still should be fine. It is hard to say when you will see pinning.
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Vibetyme]
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Turned the heat down a little and followed your advice with the foil.
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Oh Padawan, If mycelium is covering hardboard peaces, its a great thing. just prevent that they grow and together. Once there was a rumor, that mycelium complex would never fruit, if it still finds nutrition. That would never end with cardboard in contact. But that was just a theory. I never managed vermiculite TEK, as my cakes became to hard and never been colonised inside.
Blending the cardboard or just making small pieces of it is a great new starter culture, btw.. Maybee with clean water 1:50 or so. Some even make cultivate liquid culture... but id not bet, that this is efficient... its simply to few air in liquids. I also managed to transmit on a sterilised toilet roll. (the inner cardboard roll is great) Mycelium grows in and I even managed to grow relatively tiny, but healty mushrooms.
Essentially. Cardboard is cool. It does not attract contamination too much. Blended in sterile water again, it offers plenty of food too.
Even the less, if it dries outside and even drops of infectious hit it. It seals automatically then, when dry. And it is easy sterilisable. Openly spoken. Boiling hot water does the job, wo pressure cooker. ("pasteurising").
I speak from practice. This is not lab standard. I do not suggest you eat such mushrooms- its simply hard to predict, which glue is used in paper boards. But for a spore print its definitely sufficient.
I am actually not a fan of cake technique. My strain , I used decades ago, preferred hay. Just the tiny stuff for small pets cages. Even straw worked great. I believe that this materials do not need that hardcore pressure cooker treatment as cakes, as they restraint other colonies of microorganisms.
So cooked hay or straw in a Beer glass (with aluminium foil lid) with some pieces of your infected cardboard does the job. it safes you the time time to shake, colonises lightening fast in rhizzomorph growth. Easier with living mycelium, than spores. The Beerglass works as a great container to keep the moisture from evaporation highest. Actually 6 might fit in a pressure cooker as well. And as its open and fluffy, good aired and the nutritions are limited, the fruiting happens automatically. So, yes. Everything which contains cellulosis or other forms of sugar in tiny amounts works often as grain replacement. Its cheap and easy repeatable. Its safe. One can work redundant without a lab. I am aware, this is not high end standard. But it works very well. One time. Sometimes twice. Just dont expect it to flush again and again and again. So take the cardboard, scissors, and a mixer and make 50 syringes. And then spread it selectively in your environment. Which you cover then with mustard glasses. marmalade glasses with cooked autumn leafes.. just make your experiments. you'll be surrounded in your room and living hood with wisdom and wealth my friend. pinheads will show up all arround. Hahhahahahahah!
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Despencer]
#28009090 - 10/21/22 10:42 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great words of advice, Jedi. I took the cardboard pieces out and transferred a small piece into a inoculation jar for a small experiment. Hoping it spreads to the growth medium. I have the rest of the pieces wrapped in tin foil in the fridge until I find out what to do with them
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Re: HELP!!! Beginner mycologist [Re: Despencer]
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