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#27913051 - 08/22/22 12:59 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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This is a good video about how the West has been stealing energy from other countries, and how big energy greatly impacts world events.
Maybe a little too long to summarize, but fascinating.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27913052 - 08/22/22 01:04 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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On the same topic, I just found some interesting information regarding Mexico:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: We couldn't even get Mexico to go along with the sanctions, but as Lee Camp said, they may be the next county to get couped by the US. (because they're nationalizing their natural resources)
Now Mexico is pissing American oil companies off by giving preferential treatment to its state-owned oil companies to help Mexico and the Mexican people rather than big US oil companies.
Watch just the firt 3 minutes.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27913226 - 08/22/22 06:58 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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The US is in a precarious position right now. Securing energy supply for the demands of themselves and its allies means they’re stretched far too thin.
Mexico, apart from its own oil industry, isn’t going to give up its lithium deposits either. Same goes for Bolivia (who we already tried to coup a couple years ago). The “leftist” governments across central and South America are increasingly hostile to the U.S. and its interests, so we’ll have to spend a considerable amount of resources there in the immediate future.
On top of that, we need to secure the demands of Europe, lest they drift farther from our sphere of influence and closer to Russia, so we can’t give up on Ukraine. We’re desperately trying to get oil and natural gas into Western Europe to offset Russia cutting off the tap from the East.
And those two developments are still dwarfed by our main concern: China, and our “pivot to Asia,” which, how is that perceived as anything other than imperialism lol. Taiwan’s semiconductor industry is crucial to the development of all sorts of shit, and if China decides they’re reabsorbing their own territory, I wonder to what extent we’ll force that issue.
I know people make allusions to Rome as the standard bearer of dying empires, but the parallels really are striking. A declining hegemony, an illegitimate and practically defunct set of institutions at home, and an unsustainable level of militarism abroad. Short of some massive global war, this will only cascade and continue to compound.
Oh I almost forgot our new plan to funnel billions of dollars in development to Africa, to offset China’s BRI. Or how India continues to drift farther and farther from the West. Would love to hear someone with an optimistic (from the US perspective) take on all this, because the circumstances seem pretty dire.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27913607 - 08/22/22 12:20 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Good well thought out reply! 
When you say "governments across central and South America are increasingly hostile to the U.S. and its interests", I think you just mean they are looking out for their own interests now over US interests, correct?
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27913665 - 08/22/22 01:16 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Japan, Taiwan, Brazil, Mexico, India, and yes Russia along with all of the western countries would happily align with the US if it wasn't for this RETARDED leftist woke lbq++ whatever you must destroy the world to save the world nonsensical CRAP.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 3
#27913666 - 08/22/22 01:17 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah for the most part, I think most of them fall somewhere on a line between just wanting to peacefully coexist as best as possible and wanting to actively harm the US. Historically, leftist governments haven’t had much of a chance to wage wars abroad, they’re too busy trying to suppress foreign backed insurgencies, assassination attempts, and various economic sanctions and blockades. But it’s important to understand that one principal US interest is maintaining the Monroe Doctrine, our hegemony over the Americas, the Western Hemisphere. Nations acting in their own self interest is almost always incompatible with that.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: donwats]
#27913667 - 08/22/22 01:17 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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donwats said: Japan, Taiwan, Brazil, Mexico, and yes Russia along with all of the western countries would happily align with the US if it wasn't for this RETARDED leftist woke lbq++ whatever you must destroy the world to save the world nonsensical CRAP.
Japan and Taiwan are, for all intents and purposes, US satellite states. Put down the crackpipe.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27913706 - 08/22/22 02:00 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Being hostile towards us won't change the poverty , insecurity , inequality, or the corrupt ineffective govts that refuse or simply can't address any of the issues that have always plagued that part of the world though . Giving the finger to western open markets and embracing a larger China and Russia won't either . Looks like a downward spiral into populist authoritarian govts , social unrest , and economic collapse is in their future .
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: donwats]
#27913710 - 08/22/22 02:07 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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donwats said:
Japan, Taiwan, Brazil, Mexico, India, and yes Russia along with all of the western countries would happily align with the US if it wasn't for this RETARDED leftist woke lbq++ whatever you must destroy the world to save the world nonsensical CRAP.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#27913715 - 08/22/22 02:10 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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donwats said: Japan, Taiwan, Brazil, Mexico, and yes Russia along with all of the western countries would happily align with the US if it wasn't for this RETARDED leftist woke lbq++ whatever you must destroy the world to save the world nonsensical CRAP.
Japan and Taiwan are, for all intents and purposes, US satellite states. Put down the crackpipe.
But what happens to our relationship with Japan if we fail to help them defend Taiwan. We lose both. And now Russia and China are running joint military exercises. At the same time Biden is depleting our strategic oil reserve and throwing out 10s of thousands of patriots out of the services..
Brilliant
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: donwats]
#27913906 - 08/22/22 04:30 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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US energy is tied into US financial infrastructure, which still controls the majority of the world.
For now.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Psilynut2]
#27913927 - 08/22/22 04:40 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: Being hostile towards us won't change the poverty , insecurity , inequality, or the corrupt ineffective govts that refuse or simply can't address any of the issues that have always plagued that part of the world though .
Nationalizing their energy so they keep all their profits, rather than US energy corporations, won't help them?
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27913978 - 08/22/22 05:13 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I remember years back when the Saudi's ask the US for something in exchange for the US dollars we buy the oil with (because they couldn't spend most of it). So the US pushed worthless paper bonds on them in trade for the worthless paper dollars..
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27913994 - 08/22/22 05:25 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Nationalizing their energy so they keep all their profits, rather than US energy corporations, won't help them? 
The average Jose ? Probably not . Venezuela nationalized their oil industry in 1976 , so I'm going to have to throw my money in the no pile .
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Psilynut2] 1
#27914005 - 08/22/22 05:36 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Nationalizing their energy so they keep all their profits, rather than US energy corporations, won't help them? 
The average Jose ? Probably not . Venezuela nationalized their oil industry in 1976 , so I'm going to have to throw my money in the no pile .
40 years of prosperity ain't bad, especially given the neighborhood.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Psilynut2]
#27914045 - 08/22/22 06:02 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Venezuela was doing well until about 2013, when our sanctions against Maduro ensured they couldn't buy much needed oil equipment or freely sell oil.
As many have already said, the US won't give true socialism a chance.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27914075 - 08/22/22 06:34 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Doing well ?
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n the mid 1970s, the management of national assets deteriorated significantly, as the country experienced a sudden oil windfall that tripled fiscal income. The ordinary men in charge of the government were exposed to extraordinary temptations. Faced with such riches, Pres. Carlos Perez established a program called “The Great Venezuela,” a tropical version of Mao Tse‐Tung’s “Great Leap Forward” in China that ended in financial and social disaster. The government poured close to $2,000,000,000 into industrial projects designed to convert southern Venezuela into another Ruhr. At one point, the country was home to more than 300 state‐owned companies, none of which was profitable. As a result of the significant government expenditure and insufficient enforcement of regulations, corruption spun out of control. Up until then, graft had been restricted to the ruling elites, but now many Venezuelans started to participate in the abuse and misuse of public funds. By 1980, the country had fallen into debt to the international banks, victim of the so‐called “Dutch disease” that affects Third World petrostates that depend almost solely on hydrocarbon exports for national income.
From 1980 onwards, Venezuelan corruption has remained high. Particularly grave was the administration of Pres. Jaime Lusinchi from 1984–94, which saw some $36,000,000,000 pilfered or stolen mainly through a corrupt exchange control program, according to an estimate by Venezuelan sociologist Ruth Capriles at the Caracas Andres Bello Catholic University. Soaring corruption during the Lusinchi period resulted from several factors, including weak political institutions, lack of administrative controls, too much money circulating in the financial system of the government, and, above all, populist leaders promoting a welfare state in which hard work and social discipline were not encouraged. In 1997, the Caracasbased nongovernment organization Pro Calidad de Vida estimated that some $100,000,000,000 in oil income had been wasted or stolen during the last 25 years.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/corruption-democracy-venezuela
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The 1980s oil glut. As global oil prices plummeted in the 1980s, Venezuela’s economy contracted and inflation soared; at the same time, it accrued massive foreign debt by purchasing foreign refineries, such as Citgo in the United States. In 1989, Perez—reelected months earlier—launched a fiscal austerity package as part of a financial bailout by the International Monetary Fund. The measures provoked deadly riots. In 1992, Hugo Chavez, a military officer, launched a failed coup and rose to national fame
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/venezuela-crisis
Yea.
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Psilynut2]
#27914127 - 08/22/22 07:05 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Corruption has existed in Venezuela since at least 1821, when it gained independence. In the 19thand 20th centuries, the level of corruption fluctuated, depending on the government in power. During the government of President Hugo Chávez, however, corruption has exploded to unprecedented levels. Billions of dollars are being stolen or are otherwise unaccounted for, squandering Venezuelan resources and enriching high‐level officials and their cronies.
The windfall of oil revenues has encouraged the rise in corruption. In the approximately eight years Chávez has been in power, his government has received between $175 billion and $225 billion from oil and new debt. Along with the increase in revenues has come a simultaneous reduction in transparency. For example, the state‐owned oil company ceased publishing its consolidated annual financial statements in 2003, and Chávez has created new state‐run financial institutions, whose operations are also opaque, that spend funds at the discretion of the executive
https://www.cato.org/development-policy-analysis/corruption-mismanagement-abuse-power-hugo-chavezs-venezuela
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Re: US/Western big energy is detrimental to the rest of the world [Re: Psilynut2]
#27914140 - 08/22/22 07:10 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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None of that discounts the prosperity under Chavez, and the mid 70's is more than 40 years ago.
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#27914156 - 08/22/22 07:16 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Chavez hated neoliberal globalization and United States foreign policy as much as I do.
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