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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: r3volution.gurl]
#27923213 - 08/28/22 09:31 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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The reason nothing helps you is because you won't actually help yourself. Things don't magically happen on their own. Therapy or working out doesn't magically benefit you because you're there half assing in a bid to fix yourself. It's not instant. It takes dedication and discipline long term, both which you've proven you don't have based on your low effort here alone and getting bored of everything within a week.
Or maybe it doesn't work because these are all mays and CANs.
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I am highly skeptical you majored in anything let alone psychology You couldn't decipher between a blog article and a study, plus you cherry pick information to support bias. You behaved with the exact same expertise about therapy animals and I know for a fact I am more educated than you on animal behaviour so it's evident you behave this way on every topic. If you're not badmouthing something, you just lost interest in it.
Doubtful given what you posted about it.
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I'm not religious at all and it's ironic the person who can't post a single source except talk out of their ass would say that, but keep making excuses for your shitty low effort behaviour. I've read you like a book. You're getting exactly what you deserve in life and until you realize that, nothing will ever help you, help yourself.
People in your life tell you the same things over and over because you have not really done them. You just believe you have. People eventually see that you're not really putting the effort you're supposed to and they make a concious choice for themselves to stay away from a person who is lying to themselves, never mind being argumentative about it and that's why you have no consistent healthy relationships.
Not true, people don't get what they deserve in life, life just happens and we deal with it. If people say the same thing its because that's all they know and don't know what to do when it doesn't work.
It would honestly take too long to explain how you're wrong in this instance so I'll leave it at that.
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You're probably also narcissistic. I would know.
BAsed on your posts that seems unlikely.
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And you're not as bright as you think you are if you spend a whole bunch of money on something you just got into knowing deep down you will probably lose interest. It's impulsive behaviour which represents immaturity or an instant gratification habit.
Again, not really.
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starpig said: A lot of evidence and experiences from others show that the results are mixed. From what I got it mostly just reinforces what you already believe. In any case it doesn’t make you more interesting or give a personality.
From what you got?. Wrong. Reinforce? No. How about make you question everything you ever thought you knew. And trying to be forced to swallow new truths as you see them? It def makes you more interesting, to split your mind open, be vulnerable, and take your chances at seeing something most don't get to see. Maybe you will learn. To listen. That would benefit your personality. Listen and believe ppl instead of "what you got" from some miserable experience you've 'not' even had.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: starpig]
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I didn't say people get what they deserve. I specifically said you.
Majority of people with pets alone have more knowledge and experience than you. I don't even need my training experience to surpass you because of all the animals I've cared for in my life and amazing relationships I've had with them.
Anyone can read these studies and easily see what you've been claiming is only your cherry picked perception of reality. Including the topic of therapy dogs.
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...the findings across the human neuroimaging studies indicate that increases in aerobic fitness, derived from physical activity participation, is related to improvements in the integrity of brain structure and function, and may underlie improvements in cognition across tasks requiring top-down cognitive control. It should be noted that, to date, all neuroimaging research examining the role of fitness on brain and cognition has employed older adults. Future research endeavors need to consider earlier periods of the human lifespan to better determine the underlying mechanisms for the beneficial relation of fitness to behavioral performance in children and young adults. Regardless, these findings utilize some of the most sophisticated techniques available to image the human brain and have advance the knowledge base on the relation of physical activity to brain and cognition.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3951958/
I'm a narcissist, so again, I would know.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: r3volution.gurl]
#27923748 - 08/29/22 09:25 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Jesus starpig, I thought I was cynical LOL
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: ashfiken]
#27923752 - 08/29/22 09:29 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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It actually doesn’t. Proof of that is the there are “nazi” groups today that use them, and they’re about as terrible as you can get. Also pretty sure Manson and his “family” did them and look how that turned out as did some cults in that time period. Aztecs did them too and they sacrificed people on an alter.
They don’t make you question everything or force you to swallow any truths. They are what you make of them essentially. That’s why people of faiths who take them end up seeing whatever version of spiritual their faith teaches.
I’ve know people who have taken them and remained unchanged. It’s really not what you make it out to be. And it definitely doesn’t make you more interesting but it can certainly lead you to believe you are.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: r3volution.gurl]
#27923757 - 08/29/22 09:31 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Anyone reading these can see you lack the acumen to evaluate them critically.
I’ve already told you what psychology ultimately boils down to. Also that exercise isn’t a guarantee for helping someone. The point remains if it doesn’t work it doesn’t work no matter what study you cite. People are individuals and that’s what makes psychology unreliable. You can’t control for everything and when it comes to human brains and minds it’s not one size for all or even most.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: starpig]
#27923765 - 08/29/22 09:34 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Have you done mushrooms before?
You are not a reliable source for what psychology boils down to. So you can say whatever you like. It means diddly squat to me.
We've also established critical thinking involves objective analysis and evaluation. You've evidently done the complete opposite with not only our topic, but every topic anyone brings up.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: r3volution.gurl] 1
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We've also established critical thinking involves objective analysis and evaluation. You've evidently done the complete opposite with not only our topic, but every topic anyone brings up.
Not quite. The first step in it is seeing there isn’t such a thing as objectivity. And again you brought up law of attraction so you’re not really in a place to lecture someone else about it.
And yes I have done them before, it wasn’t a big deal since I didn’t make a thing of it.
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You are not a reliable source for what psychology boils down to. So you can say whatever you like. It means diddly squat to me.
I’m only parroting what the field says. It ultimately boils down to whether it’s working on/for the person. If it’s jot then it’s not and you have to try something else. That’s science, which is why I said you’re practicing religion here insisting it’s THEIR fault for it not working. Pretty sure doctors don’t blame a patient for meds not working if they’re taking them.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: starpig]
#27924166 - 08/29/22 02:13 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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starpig said: Not quite. The first step in it is seeing there isn’t such a thing as objectivity. And again you brought up law of attraction so you’re not really in a place to lecture someone else about it.
Objective to your best ability. You keep arguing about subjective terms. These concepts still exist, again you keep pretending your perception of reality is factual. You mentioned critical thinking and you used it incorrectly if you believe objectivity doesn't exist at all. You've contradicted yourself... again.
I brought law of attraction up because it's obvious your thoughts are the only real problem in your life. You have no control over them and you make an excuse for it by claiming no one does. People wouldn't be able to meditate if that was even remotely true.
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And yes I have done them before, it wasn’t a big deal since I didn’t make a thing of it.
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I’m only parroting what the field says. It ultimately boils down to whether it’s working on/for the person. If it’s jot then it’s not and you have to try something else. That’s science, which is why I said you’re practicing religion here insisting it’s THEIR fault for it not working. Pretty sure doctors don’t blame a patient for meds not working if they’re taking them.
You're parroting what you choose to. You ignore so much information to come to your judgements. You don't represent science when you cherry pick data. It's not science, it's bias. I'm not religious at all(like I've already said) and I don't need to use the term law of attraction to get my point across that you are the problem in your life. I used it because I genuinely didn't think you were this delusional and pessimistic. The signs were there though, but I always want to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
I can't ever know the actual effort you put in. You left out a ton of important details regarding the so called effort you put in. Any details you gave were regarding everything else and the fact it didn't work when you "tried" it.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: r3volution.gurl]
#27924606 - 08/29/22 07:11 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I brought law of attraction up because it's obvious your thoughts are the only real problem in your life. You have no control over them and you make an excuse for it by claiming no one does. People wouldn't be able to meditate if that was even remotely true.
Uhh no one has control over their thoughts, that's the first thing you learn in meditation. The whole point is to change your relationship to your thoughts. If you think meditation is about controlling thoughts -mod edit-.
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You're parroting what you choose to. You ignore so much information to come to your judgements. You don't represent science when you cherry pick data. It's not science, it's bias. I'm not religious at all(like I've already said) and I don't need to use the term law of attraction to get my point across that you are the problem in your life. I used it because I genuinely didn't think you were this delusional and pessimistic. The signs were there though, but I always want to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
I can't ever know the actual effort you put in. You left out a ton of important details regarding the so called effort you put in. Any details you gave were regarding everything else and the fact it didn't work when you "tried" it.
You're also cherry picking so where does it leave us. Ultimately when it comes to science if a method doesn't work it doesn't matter what the research says you have to pivot and figure out what's going on.
That's all you're really gonna get. In my case consistent effort and doing the work yielded ZERO results, so I'm just tired at this point. Tired of trying and having nothing to show for it. I can't hold onto hope forever, it hurts too much.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: starpig]
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starpig said: Uhh no one has control over their thoughts, that's the first thing you learn in meditation. The whole point is to change your relationship to your thoughts. If you think meditation is about controlling thoughts, you're an idiot.
Changing your relationship with your thoughts is for the purpose of having more control of your thoughts..
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Doesn't matter.
It really does matter, different doses provide different experiences.
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You're also cherry picking so where does it leave us.
I really haven't... I wouldn't have posted any of those studies if I didn't factor in all the information which is why I mentioned why the research is behind. It leaves us with self reflection really. I feel guilty for arguing with you because it was a waste of both our time. I also made a mistake posting in this thread and not reading the signs that you're looking for something that doesn't exist and probably never will because instant gratification for long term results is practically impossible.
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Ultimately when it comes to science if a method doesn't work it doesn't matter what the research says you have to pivot and figure out what's going on. That's all you're really gonna get. In my case consistent effort and doing the work yielded ZERO results, so I'm just tired at this point. Tired of trying and having nothing to show for it. I can't hold onto hope forever, it hurts too much.
Ah, sure, whatever consistent effort and doing the work means to you(I genuinely don't know). I'm sorry I couldn't help you figure out this baffling mystery. I want to say maybe someone will, but it clearly has to be you that figures it out.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: r3volution.gurl]
#27924957 - 08/29/22 10:37 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I'm tired of seeking help and trying it only for it to not end up working out. It's exhausting and draining. I can't take more disappointment and as I mentioned just holding on to hope hurts more than I can bear some days. I want to give up but part of me won't let me.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: starpig]
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Well, at least you've been interested in this thread for more than a week...
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#27925418 - 08/30/22 08:30 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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starpig said: It actually doesn’t. Proof of that is the there are “nazi” groups today that use them, and they’re about as terrible as you can get. Also pretty sure Manson and his “family” did them and look how that turned out as did some cults in that time period. Aztecs did them too and they sacrificed people on an alter.
They don’t make you question everything or force you to swallow any truths. They are what you make of them essentially. That’s why people of faiths who take them end up seeing whatever version of spiritual their faith teaches.
I’ve know people who have taken them and remained unchanged. It’s really not what you make it out to be. And it definitely doesn’t make you more interesting but it can certainly lead you to believe you are.
Lololol Just bc nazis use them makes them not what they are? Dude you are really starting to show what a piece of work you are ND why you feel alone and without personality or whatever. Yeah some ppl don't change bc that wasn't their plan, or they weren't focused, or didn't know how to change or what was needed from them. They are what you make them bc faiths lmfao. You know nothing. Many ppl with traditional belief systems , take psyches and it CHALLENGES those belief systems not reinforce. Aren't we looking for things to grant a possibility at things YOU want? So it's what YOU make it right? So make it fulfill the needs that I KNOW they can for .YOU. You make definite claims about shit you know zero about and have zero experience. Except what you saw or watched or whatever. This is now a joke to me. If you don't want to try to make something of your life quit asking for a way how.
Experiences make you interesting to others(big shocker) so in fact, psychedelic experiences would do that as well, as much as you like to think it's just the individual believing it, you are again dead wrong and will forever be wrong as long as you take your own dumbass conclusions, and clutch to them and spew them for others, that know better to read and laugh about.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: ashfiken]
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Many ppl with traditional belief systems , take psyches and it CHALLENGES those belief systems not reinforce. Aren't we looking for things to grant a possibility at things YOU want?
Wrong there bud. It doesn’t do that and there is plenty of evidence to show that. Nazis groups today are just one. A lot of far right groups do it too.
https://www.psymposia.com/magazine/lucy-in-the-sky-with-nazis-psychedelics-and-the-right-wing/
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Experiences make you interesting to others(big shocker) so in fact, psychedelic experiences would do that as well, as much as you like to think it's just the individual believing it, you are again dead wrong and will forever be wrong as long as you take your own dumbass conclusions, and clutch to them and spew them for others, that know better to read and laugh about.
Psychedelic experiences don’t make you interesting, and you are sort of proving my point. People have an experience and think it means something profound but that’s not true. So many contradictory examples of psychedelics show that it’s not a set outcome but more a dice roll. Their power and impact is also overblown as the don’t have the power to make you question everything. You are doing that on your own, you just attribute it to the drug.
But no, those experiences don’t make you interesting anything more than smoking weed makes you interesting. Though you might think you are.
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Yeah some ppl don't change bc that wasn't their plan, or they weren't focused, or didn't know how to change or what was needed from them.
Sounds like excuses you can’t prove when your claims are shown to be false. No true Scotsman Fallacy at its finest. Face it, they aren’t what you think they are nor do they have the power you claim they do.
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: starpig]
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So one link is plenty of evidence? which just backs the one instance you spoke of to begin with? One use case for some hateful shit doesn't mean it doesn't have 1000 other use cases. Dude ppl use guns to both kill humans and feed themselves. Nothing "MAKES YOU INTERESTING." Experiences, make you SEEM interesting to others. Do you get this idea?
I'm not trying to be interesting for myself , I'm trying to bring ppl into my circle , having experiences to talk about, creates common ground and also makes ppl INTERESTED to both listen, hear, understand, and share their own with you.
Interesting isn't objective in value. It's subjective.
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Sounds like excuses you can’t prove when your claims are shown to be false. No true Scotsman Fallacy at its finest. Face it, they aren’t what you think they are nor do they have the power you claim they do.
Lmfao you edited your post on a psychedelic based website to say this?? I never claimed magic powers fam I said they may make you more interesting to others. You know absolutely nothing. And also I know very little. However they are what I think they are, and they have whatever power someone is willing to give them, unlike you, refusing to attempt, and refusing to understand anything about the world that you haven't read once What I claim is they can do more for you then you will allow. There will plenty of instances in the future of ppl benefitting from them, just bc you are scared and refuse to listen to anything except to refute it with one point or one thing or whatever. You are insufferable
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Re: How to get a personality or make friends? [Re: ashfiken]
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It’s not one case. They literally list the other contradictions. And that’s not even all of them. They don’t have the effect you seem to think that they do and there are documented instances showing as much. I’m sure I could dig even further but if you won’t accept even these then it’s a moot point.
It sounds to me like you want others to confirm your worldview rather than admit that maybe it’s not accurate. Just because you and others had experiences doesn’t really mean anything nor does it say anything about the drugs. Humans have a habit for pattern recognition and making meaning, so it’s not surprising you thought the experience meant anything.
But you’re also wrong that having similar experiences makes other want to listen and share with you.
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However they are what I think they are, and they have whatever power someone is willing to give them, unlike you, refusing to attempt, and refusing to understand anything about the world that you haven't read once What I claim is they can do more for you then you will allow. There will plenty of instances in the future of ppl benefitting from them, just bc you are scared and refuse to listen to anything except to refute it with one point or one thing or whatever. You are insufferable
No they aren’t as I already showed and you refused to accept. There are also plenty of instances of violent cultures that used them in the last.
It’s got nothing to do with what one will allow (another excuse to avoid accepting reality).
What WILL happen in the future is the same mixed results you see today and in the past. It’s not my fault you want to deny reality. You remind me of those religious types who come up with so many excuses when evidence contradicts their worldview.
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My worldview hasn't been posited here as that was not the discussion. It was how you may become more interesting to others.
Excuses? I need no excuses for my experience. If you don't want to explore for yourself that's on you.
And similar experiences don't bring ppl together? Yeah I can take the word of someone that can't socialize on that one huh? Even though that is dead opposite of how humans interact. If I climb mountain x in a given region, and you climb mountain y, I would be interested to hear your experience, and I'd share mine. You simply don't want to get how humans work and interact. All this I've laid for you as my experience is not about world view or the power of psyches its about getting you out there and able to connect with other humans. But you don't want that, you want to point out how nothing works, and how infallible any possible avenue for outreach is and how it would never change anything for you, sorry to say you just don't want what you are claiming to want. It works in different ways for others , but not how they think it's working , according to you, or whatever. But If you refuse any way then you might as well resign to no personality whatever living, arguing with ppl about their experiences and how it can't possibly work that way or work for you.
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