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Registered: 10/20/21 Posts: 6,250 Loc: Canada |
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Post a single source to back up anything you claim and then maybe you'd have any sort of leg to stand on in regards to the arguments.
You don't like being proven wrong. You skipped admitting a mistake in regards to therapy animals, by doing that you've avoided the important points I made regarding it from the beginning. You also skipped questions regarding the diet and your reason for working out is for other people. It's no wonder you don't reap the benefits of it. You're not doing it right.. Quote: Like I explained before, you believe you know best over actual doctors, psychologists and researchers who have put the work in and got results which will continue to expand and solidify these findings, while you can't be bothered to do something for more than a week. Yeah, I'm annoyed now. I honestly gave you the benefit of the doubt, but it's tough to even want to talk to you dude. You're legit full of crap. You've presented no information and you've just responded to everyone's info provided with solely your opinions which were consistently hostile. Other than some of the questions you answered which was the only positive in our interaction. You keep mentioning about where you were born and lack of control of that. Newsflash, no one has control of that, it's not a reason for someone to feel the way you do. It makes 0 sense and you seem like you lie to yourself when you make excuses about people's suggestions not being able to help you. I honestly think based on your behaviour, you have unresolved trauma you failed to mention relating to your family/upbringing and that's a huge factor in why today you are suffering. -------------------- "Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls. Be one, see one. When many people have this heart connection, then we will know that we are all one, we human beings all over the planet. We will be one. One love. And don’t leave out the animals, and trees, and clouds, and galaxies: it’s all one. It’s one energy." -Ram Dass Edited by r3volution.gurl (08/28/22 01:29 AM)
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Registered: 10/20/21 Posts: 6,250 Loc: Canada |
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Quote: Quote: ![]() The contradictions and hypocrisy are out of control. Let's be honest, you didn't really understand the literature I posted, it backed 90% of my total claims especially regarding neurological data of the brain and the benefits of therapy dogs for patients of mental and physical illness. You cherry picked what little conflicting info in normally every study ever published suits your already established opinions. If you were to actually want to apply consensus accurate information, it would mean you'd be wrong and possibly have to make significant changes in your life because a lot of the cause of your problems would be discovered or at least on the path to, but you're comfortable in the state you're in. You also haven't posted a single study, but have made as many claims as I have. Just post one study with a claim you've made. It's almost like the effort you put in this argument, is representative of the effort in your life. You do next to nothing, but genuinely believe you've done everything you're supposed to for a beneficial result, even believing you've done beyond that and all that "effort" doesn't equate to anything. It's a true mystery to solve. And you said I'm delusional.. People will not change for you. Your expectations are unrealistic. Things don't just happen for people, life doesn't work like that for anyone or any life for that matter. Like I've said before, no one can help you. People can only help you help yourself. That's the reason professional help has failed you in the past or should I say, why you failed.. -------------------- "Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls. Be one, see one. When many people have this heart connection, then we will know that we are all one, we human beings all over the planet. We will be one. One love. And don’t leave out the animals, and trees, and clouds, and galaxies: it’s all one. It’s one energy." -Ram Dass
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Stranger Registered: 07/09/21 Posts: 290 Last seen: 20 days, 2 hours |
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Quote: Aren't positive/negative and good and bad not real? I mean they're just opinions, it's not science. You can't attract more positivity or negativity in life because stuff is neutral.
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Stranger Registered: 07/09/21 Posts: 290 Last seen: 20 days, 2 hours |
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Quote: I checked the sources, but you have to understand that stuff like positive and negative emotions/thoughts isn't really science. Those are value judgments, there is no universal standard for what is considered positive or negative which tends to make such research have little weight. One link you posted was literally just quoting a bunch of self-help books and a self-report examination. You have to see how this doesn't really verify what you're saying. Quote: The motivation behind it is irrelevant, the point is the action behind it. The act of doing it is supposed to have these benefits and I mentioned that all the research shows it CAN do that, CAN being the keyword. It's not a sure thing and nothing in the research shows the motivation behind it matters. It sounds like you're making excuses for why something doesn't work for someone. That like you posted has zero studies about the effectiveness of therapy animals it's just a webpage for an organization. All it has are a bunch of pages making claims. So, you proved nothing. I CHECKED each source you posted to verify it and when looking at each one it didn't hold up. Yeah I bothered to read through each one. Quote: You mention that but you could just have easily copy pasted a bunch of sources that support you. And I showed how those sources are pretty much worthless. So, in a sense you haven't posted anything that supports your claims, and I checked the study on anhedonia, I don't think it means what you think it does. I think it's clear you don't understand what it evidence, nor why psychology is a weak science and the studies don't carry much weight. There was that reproducibility crisis a little while ago where over half the research published in psychology could not be verified or reproduced. That and as a field it doesn't really publish null results. Or to apty quote: "Because psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability." So pretty much their words don't mean that much, especially when it comes to positive and negative thinking which they cannot verify nor prove. Quote: No, it's more that everything they gave me didn't work when done. Professional help might as well be quack help. No meds worked, they just made me feel worse than before and none of the tricks they taught me made any difference, but they were more than happy to take my money.
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Registered: 10/20/21 Posts: 6,250 Loc: Canada |
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Quote: That was 1 out of multiple studies I posted, once again, you're cherry picking. Yes thoughts can be value judgements, but their effects are proven in 2 studies I posted and it's not difficult to decipher between positive and negative thoughts. One study explaining how positive thinkers were something like 13% less likely to get heart disease despite being genetically prone to than negative thinkers with the same predisposition. If a thought impacts someone's life negatively, it's easily deemed a negative thought. A lot of what I said was infact verified. You cognitively choose to keep being delusional based on your uneducated opinions. Quote: Yeah no.. you're not exercising to your full/beneficial potential if you're not doing it for yourself. Feel free to be specific about one of your workouts. That's why a small percentage of people in some of those studies either saw no benefits or even negative effects from exercising and one of the studies highlighted how disinterest in exercise would affect the quality of exercise while also the opposite of too much interest and over exercising. If you don't enjoy any of your workouts, you're doing it wrong. The research did show that. Also, healthy workouts increase the size and strength of the prefrontal cortex and hippocampus which is proven through neural imaging in one of the studies I posted. The prefrontal cortex is responsible for motivation and self efficacy plus a lot of other things. You can stay in denial though. Seems to be a trend for you. Quote: I forgot to post the correct link underneath the source of the quote. There's at least 4 studies there. https://www.uclahealth.org/pac/ You're not a credible source to deem whether a study holds up or not. You haven't posted a single source or study even once. Quote: Oh boy, that wasn't a study on Anhedonia. It was just explaining what it was. Actually, you haven't showed anything. You just talked. Those are all the studies relating to the topics at hand currently available. There are 0 conflicting studies that support what you've been saying, I checked. It also explains why you can't post a single source to back up anything you've claimed. Quote: Oh no.. you've made another claim with absolutely nothing to back it up. Shocker. I mentioned the science is behind. However, these studies will be expanded as the evidence will become more concrete as presented in the "future questions" section of majority of the studies posted. I've studied psychology along friends who are now PhDs in the field. I am also educated. I wouldn't have passed my school and wouldn't have been a journalist if I didn't understand evidence as it's a required skill in the field.. Quote: Was that quoted from a study? You need to source your quotes.. There are also parts where they mention how they are working to improve those. Their words mean a lot more than yours. A positive and negative thought isn't rocket science to verify, but you continue believing whatever makes you happy. Except that's why you're here, because you're not happy. Quote: I can't comment on the meds due to my bias, but tricks? You mean life skills and tools like healthy social interaction which you have none? You've treated professional help like you treat everything else, with 0 real effort. The turnout of your life is no surprise and if you don't make necessary changes in your attitude, nothing will ever change in your life. You are the epitome of cognitive dissonance and the dunning kruger effect and it's probably due to a past trauma. -------------------- "Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls. Be one, see one. When many people have this heart connection, then we will know that we are all one, we human beings all over the planet. We will be one. One love. And don’t leave out the animals, and trees, and clouds, and galaxies: it’s all one. It’s one energy." -Ram Dass
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Stranger Registered: 07/24/15 Posts: 536 |
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Quote: Don’t tell a magnet it’s neutral. You probably have an opinion over which experiences you prefer to have in this life. Once again though it is best not to hold onto any of the experiences, even the ones we label positive. And In order to function within society we label everything, including our emotional states of being. But hey if you can get to a point where you don’t have an opinion over whether you get kissed on the lips or punched in the face then well done.
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Stranger Registered: 07/09/21 Posts: 290 Last seen: 20 days, 2 hours |
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Quote: " The results of this pilot study are not generalizable due to the small sample size and lack of randomization" "Still, the therapeutic approach of using dogs to soothe people’s minds and improve health has been considered more a “nicety” than credible science," And one of those isn't even a scientific study. So yeah, still not in the right there. Quote: Meaningless as there is no scientific way to measure a positive or negative thinker. They are entirely subjective judgments. What you have measured is not in fact verified and I'm starting to doubt the claims of these studies. I'm surprised they weren't laughed out. Quote: Wrong...again. The research shows nothing about motivation, just the act of doing it. None of the research shows how attitude towards it affects the results of it, you are literally making that up to fit your narrative and to make excuses for why something doesn't work, which makes sense you still buy into the law of attraction. The research shows it can affect mood but it's not a guarantee. At this point it's getting harder to take you seriously. Quote: Positive and negative are literally entirely subjective and therefor not testable when it comes to science. That's why studies on positive and negative thoughts are moot. Quote: Wrong again. None of the skills and methods given to me worked. It's like you enjoy being wrong. I put in the work and the effort and nothing happened, nothing changed. Life's like that sometimes where you can do your best and it isn't good enough. But again since you actually buy into the law of attraction I can't say I'm too confident in your reasoning.
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Stranger Registered: 07/09/21 Posts: 290 Last seen: 20 days, 2 hours |
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Are you seriously trying to equate the charges on a magnet with value judgments? They aren't even close to make that analogy land.
Yes we make judgments on what is positive and good and what is bad and negative, but that's only to us. Life itself is neutral, nothing is good or bad or positive or negative so it's impossible to attract anything. All you can do is work towards stuff. That's one (of many) reason the Law of Attraction is bullshit.
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Stranger Registered: 04/13/20 Posts: 238 Last seen: 5 hours, 15 minutes |
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Have you ever had a boyfriend or girlfriend?
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Do U know who yur fuckin with? Registered: 10/18/17 Posts: 4,528 Loc: |
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starpig has a bottomless hole to which he asks us to throw down our time and energy in an attempt at getting attention for a problem he has no real interest in resolving
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Stranger Registered: 07/09/21 Posts: 290 Last seen: 20 days, 2 hours |
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Yes, I had a boyfriend but we grew apart as it became clear that we weren't compatible in a lot of ways. Sexually, worldview, and interests (big part was I liked insects a ton and he...didn't, I liked the ocean and going out into the water snorkeling, he did not), there were other stuff. We got together for nerdy interests. We just weren't on the same wavelength though, it always felt off, and we knew that. So we parted amicably. We're still friends though.
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Registered: 10/20/21 Posts: 6,250 Loc: Canada |
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Quote: He's like the kind of person that has a bowl full of delicious white rice and because a single grain is overcooked or not to his liking he rather throw the whole bowl out and claim the rice is shit.
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Saying wrong with just cherry picking studies given to you for a clear reason and no data to back it up has absolutely no credibility.
You're incapable of looking at bigger pictures and the value of overall information, let alone what it means. You have a clear bias towards psychology. You also aren't a credible source to determine the amount of effort you think you put in vs what you actually put in. The research showed very clearly the benefits to the prefrontal cortex, but your lack of effort and bias prevents you from understanding what that means in regards to self efficacy(motivation). I'm done arguing with you because you just waste people's time including mine. You haven't proven a single thing and you also don't know the difference between a concept, study and blog article. -------------------- "Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls. Be one, see one. When many people have this heart connection, then we will know that we are all one, we human beings all over the planet. We will be one. One love. And don’t leave out the animals, and trees, and clouds, and galaxies: it’s all one. It’s one energy." -Ram Dass Edited by r3volution.gurl (08/28/22 01:24 PM)
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Stranger Registered: 07/09/21 Posts: 290 Last seen: 20 days, 2 hours |
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Not true at all.
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Quote: It's not a bias it's the very clear and obvious holes in the field. Ever since the reproducibility crisis the field has been floundering to be seen as legitimate. Not to mention being limited by what it's able to see and relying on self-reports when it can't. No other field has had over HALF of it's major findings being unable to be reproduced. And I already explained why studies on positive and negative thinking are fundamentally flawed. Also, again, you fail to even understand the basic fact that exercise only CAN affect it, it's not a sure thing. That's why every research shows CAN or MIGHT under what you listed, it's not certain and when it comes to psychology even less so. If anyone can't see the bigger picture here it's you, who seems to think that if something doesn't work it's the person's fault (which is classic trait of people who buy into the law of attraction). You fail to see the flaw in any study that researches positive and negative thinking, namely there is no objective measure of such things and there is no way to verify it. Self reports don't cut it you need actual data that isn't subject to reporting bias. So, you haven't proven anything, at all. You're stuck in "Citation" mode that you aren't able to think critically about the studies. But then again this is what I expected more or less from someone who actually buys into the law of attraction which is known to be BS and has been disproven several times. It doesn't matter what a psychological study says because it ultimately boils down to asking the person "did it work"? IF they say NO, then you have to accept it (especially since all your evidence in the studies is more or less self reporting). It's not like "real" science where you can measure the physiological changes and the count of a virus or bacterial and other more credible evidence. No, all you have to fall back on in psychology is their answer. It doesn't matter what the brain scans say if they still report feeling the same and no improvement or if something doesn't work. All those scans show is that it worked for those people. Sadly when it comes to psychology findings cannot be universally applied and testing for it in a lab is poor because you can't really pin down the exact condition or mental factor. But sure I'M the one who can't see the big picture, but then again I expected as much from you. EDIT: Oh, and exercise doesn't boost mood when it comes to depression and other serious illnesses so again, still wrong there. I'm also fairly sure you didn't read any of these since the actual data blows holes in your point. Namely exercising for only a week isn't nearly enough to measure changes. ALso that the attitude impacting it isn't true, especially since the study was only 10 people and didn't control for anything. You have to actually THINK about the studies not just mindlessly spit them out. Edited by starpig (08/28/22 02:28 PM)
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Registered: 10/20/21 Posts: 6,250 Loc: Canada |
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Quote: You'll just say anything to continue your delusions. I've clearly stated the science is behind and even the studies themselves explained why, mostly due to equipment, in lab environments, test groups etc. I never once denied this. It's just a matter of time before these studies excel to what they've basically already found neurologically. You are arguing nothing except your perception of reality. You're ignorant to what those studies accomplished because of your bias and that actually means it is you not critically thinking and you're projecting on to me for whatever negative reason. I'm aware of everything you argued and it's cherry picked info to form a false overall consensus, I read the studies or I wouldn't have posted them. There isn't a way to measure a lot of things, but they still exist despite being subjective. You are full of excuses and literal bullshit that no sane person on the planet can honestly tolerate or it would start negatively affecting them. You should ask your parents or try to remember if you've had a minor fall/head injury as a baby or child because something is seriously wrong with you or you have unresolved trauma that shaped your personality to an extremely dislikable individual. I've had my fair share of people not liking me on shroomery, but I think you've surpassed anyone because I'd never ask for help and then argue with anyone trying to help, let alone every single person trying to help. Learn to fucking say thanks and stfu whether you decide to listen/take someone's advice or not. You have no healthy social skills whatsoever and you reap what you sow, as the saying goes. Edited by r3volution.gurl (08/28/22 04:02 PM)
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Stranger Registered: 07/09/21 Posts: 290 Last seen: 20 days, 2 hours |
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No, I say this as someone majored in psychology it's not as solid as people think.
And when the advice you get is what you already know and tried and didn't work then it's moot. Or just outright terrible advice like moving to a new country you don't know the language too with no money or a passport. I've already explained why your studies don't matter. Because ultimately people are unique and just because something worked on someone (and again they use MAY a lot in your links) doesn't mean it works for everyone. Unfortunately, that's what psychology boils down to. That's why exercise doesn't work for everyone and can even make things worse, why therapy stands at around 50% effectiveness, etc. It's also why reproducing experiments is poor in the field. It's not my fault you can't accept that. Ultimately if it doesn't work for someone then it DOESN'T WORK. And no amount of you blaming the victim for not "Doing it right" is going to change that. At this point you're not thinking like science you're thinking like religion.
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Registered: 10/20/21 Posts: 6,250 Loc: Canada |
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I never claimed psychology was solid.
Also, that person never said to not have a passport. Please stop embarrassing yourself. The reason nothing helps you is because you won't actually help yourself. Things don't magically happen on their own. Therapy or working out doesn't magically benefit you because you're there half assing in a bid to fix yourself. It's not instant. It takes dedication and discipline long term, both which you've proven you don't have based on your low effort here alone and getting bored of everything within a week. I am highly skeptical you majored in anything let alone psychology You couldn't decipher between a blog article and a study, plus you cherry pick information to support bias. You behaved with the exact same expertise about therapy animals and I know for a fact I am more educated than you on animal behaviour so it's evident you behave this way on every topic. If you're not badmouthing something, you just lost interest in it. I'm not religious at all and it's ironic the person who can't post a single source except talk out of their ass would say that, but keep making excuses for your shitty low effort behaviour. I've read you like a book. You're getting exactly what you deserve in life and until you realize that, nothing will ever help you, help yourself. People in your life tell you the same things over and over because you have not really done them. You just believe you have. People eventually see that you're not really putting the effort you're supposed to and they make a concious choice for themselves to stay away from a person who is lying to themselves, never mind being argumentative about it and that's why you have no consistent healthy relationships. You're probably also narcissistic. I would know. And you're not as bright as you think you are if you spend a whole bunch of money on something you just got into knowing deep down you will probably lose interest. It's impulsive behaviour which represents immaturity or an instant gratification habit.
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Stranger Registered: 07/24/15 Posts: 536 |
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Quote: No I wasn’t trying to equate a magnet to value judgments however you said ‘stuff’ is neutral. A magnet is stuff. Also I’m not supporting or denying the law of attraction. Positive life decisions will lead to positive outcomes, at least a better outcome than would otherwise occur. How we interact and talk with others influences the results we get. You can call it attracting positive outcomes if you want but as long as the results are the same what’s the harm in labeling it?
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Because there aren't positive or negative life decisions there are simply decisions. Whatever happens after that is based on one's judgment. A "positive" decision can have a "negative" outcome. You can't know until after the fact.
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You couldn't decipher between a blog article and a study, plus you cherry pick information to support bias. You behaved with the exact same expertise about therapy animals and I know for a fact I am more educated than you on animal behaviour so it's evident you behave this way on every topic. If you're not badmouthing something, you just lost interest in it. 