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Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting?
    #27903062 - 08/14/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I recently had my third psilocybin trip in Amsterdam with 10g of Hollandia truffles. The shopkeeper asked me what kind of trip I wanted--intensely visual, introspective, or happy. I chose a happy trip for which he recommended the 'introductory' Hollandia truffle.

Each of my two previous trips were from 20g of fresh B+ mushrooms that I grew at home. On both occasions the main part of the trip was excellent and a lot of fun, but they both ended with confronting introspection and sadness. I struggle with body image issues (whose resolution was the entire reason I sought psychedelics to begin with), so it's not surprising to me that my introspection focused on that.

This time, however, I was determined to have a happy experience. The truffle was significantly less potent than my homegrown mushrooms but no less fun. However, at the end of the trip I still found myself confronted with painful introspection.

My question is this: are psychedelic trips always introspective? Even when I asked for a happy trip and bought the smallest dose of the weakest strain of truffle available, I still ended up questioning myself and my appearance issues.

Is it because I have these issues that I keep having introspective experiences whereas other people could have a happy trip from beginning to end? Will there ever come a time, once I’ve dealt with my issues, that I can trip and not feel introspective in a sad way?


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Re: Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting? [Re: Psychofraught]
    #27903203 - 08/14/22 01:39 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

You need to do high doses.  You struggle with difficult introspection because you have issues you need to deal with.  Deep down, you don’t want to just escape, you want to improve yourself and your life.  That requires hard work, and looking honestly at yourself and where you are fucking up.  High doses will help you break down your defenses and force you to look at reality, and set you on the path to improvement and recovery.  Only once you have accomplished the inner work will you allow yourself to just enjoy an escape.


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Re: Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting? [Re: Psychofraught]
    #27903211 - 08/14/22 01:48 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Not sure why you equate "introspective" with pain and sadness. During my trips I have stayed blindfolded throughout the experience and the inner pyrotechnics and the bliss and divine love I felt were incredible. Sure, there were also challenging moments, mostly during the long descent after passing the plateau, but most of the introspection was just wonderful. For me, looking inward is the default. Like when you meditate, what you do is closing your eyes.

A couple of days ago I had a trip where at the beginning I felt a bit uncomfortable, there was some inner resistance against what was going on, but then, as soon as I looked closer at that resistance, the experience started to transform itself into something very positive. Interestingly, this was the first time that I experienced that something in me resisted instead of fully surrendering to the experience, and the reason seems to have been that I didn't take enough. At lower doses, you can still resist, instead of surrendering to the experience, and that's when things tend to sideways.


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Re: Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting? [Re: Psychofraught]
    #27903222 - 08/14/22 01:56 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Agree with a previous comment on this thread.

Your doses are too low. I tripped like that for years with no discernible benefit until I got to the heroic doses which can confer life long benefits after just one trip. Nice to have a good friend around for such doses. One who has prior experience and wont mess with the trip.

Youre looking for a breakthrough experience. A glimpse. You need heroic doses for that. Most people consider a heroic dose to be 4-5+ grams dry cubes. Some need double that amount. Depends on the body chemistry.

Can be terrifying on the come up. Doesnt have to be but can be. It’s all part of the ride. Just lay back and let it take you away. Dont fight it. Allow all emotions negative or otherwise to pass. Creating any resistance to them only reinforces them.


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Re: Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting? [Re: wolfman42]
    #27903378 - 08/14/22 04:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I think setting can have alot to do with this, too.  My indoor trips are significantly more introspective than my outdoor trips.  Do you have a place where you can trip outdoors?


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Re: Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting? [Re: jay.ach]
    #27903388 - 08/14/22 04:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I find many psychedelic experiences with psilocybin are introspective as it will make us focus on our deepest issues or help us to focus on greater purpose and become aware of what we need to do or change. After all these plant medicines are teachers and healers and we can benefit from the lessons. For me there is very deep introspection and learning. But I also take low doses of shrooms which I find increases clarity and betters my mind.


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Re: Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting? [Re: green711]
    #27903428 - 08/14/22 04:50 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

mostly people are at different stages of their own development.
I am familiar with the introspective blues.
Sometimes the insight is off, but sometimes it is on, and your usual frame of reference is off.

personally I find seeing myself transparently a big relief - I realize i do not have to pretend to myself that some arbitrary thing I was hung up on is important anymore.

Luckily this is usually close in time to a part of the session  when the euphoric engagement with all senses and the world are still raging - and that is more important than the empty thing I was troubling myself about.

both or either can exist at the same time (joy and sadness), and that is just fine.


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Re: Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting? [Re: jay.ach]
    #27903508 - 08/14/22 06:00 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

In my opinion, if you can go out and interact with the world, you are taking a recreational dose.  High doses that bring one into knowledge of the spiritual, or which help to heal prior traumas and reset negative thought loops in your mind will not allow you to do this.  You will feel unable to do much of anything but close your eyes and go inward.  During the come up, you will desperately feel the need to get someplace quiet and comfortable to lay down.


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Re: Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting? [Re: Beluga]
    #27903619 - 08/14/22 08:12 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

no recreational spirituality for you then

but seriously, is spirituality always serious?


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Re: Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27903627 - 08/14/22 08:21 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Depends on your goals.  And no, it isn’t always serious, as the all consciousness is One, and humor and fun is part of God too.  That being said, if you are struggling in life and are looking for deeper meaning, understanding, or self improvement, then yes, you need to go into it with the proper seriousness, preparation, dosage and intention.


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Re: Is psychedelic introspection always sad or confronting? [Re: Psychofraught]
    #27903670 - 08/14/22 09:21 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Psychofraught said:
My question is this: are psychedelic trips always introspective?




No trips are not always introspective, they can be so many things. I have laughed so hard the next day my ribs and face have hurt form it. You can be overwhelmed by the beauty of nature and your mind is blinded to everything else. Or have the creative doors opened and the flood of ideas can not be held back. The time can fly or slow to a infinitesimal crawl or become choppy and confusing. It can be euphoric or horrific and everything inbetween.


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Psychofraught said:Even when I asked for a happy trip and bought the smallest dose of the weakest strain of truffle available, I still ended up questioning myself and my appearance issues.




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Psychofraught said:Is it because I have these issues that I keep having introspective experiences whereas other people could have a happy trip from beginning to end? Will there ever come a time, once I’ve dealt with my issues, that I can trip and not feel introspective in a sad way?







The vast majority of people go through life issues of who they are and/or what is the meaning of life. It could be that until you come to terms with who you are, you will ruminate over it to some extent when you are high. Mushrooms can open the door to unnecessary self flagellation.

Honestly the person that is most hung up on your body image issues is you, there will be nobody else harder on that than you.

Until you understand that a persons worth is not in there physical appearance but in there mental output you are missing out many beneficial life experiences.


I totally believe that when you can lean in to it, the bad thoughts about your appearance, and say 'yes this is me I will be the best human I can be' then you can set yourself free. It will open your life up to new experiences either when high or sober.


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