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Re: Climate Change [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27906682 - 08/17/22 11:54 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Wild grazing herds have gone the way of the buffalo.  I don't have any spare aurochs or mastodons in my back pocket so I'm willing to make due.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27906684 - 08/17/22 11:55 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I mean, we could look at a case study. Cutting and burning down the Amazon in Brazil to clear space for cattle ranching definitely ain't good for climate change. But that's a two-parter, it's more the deforestation that's the issue than the livestock.




Yes. That kind of goes against what ballsalsa has been trying to claim. That we already have enough land for livestock to eliminate factory farming. If that's the case then why deforest in the first place.

Food for thought.




For money. Maybe Brazil isn't the right place to be a leading beef producer?  Food for thought.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27906687 - 08/17/22 11:57 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
I mean, we could look at a case study. Cutting and burning down the Amazon in Brazil to clear space for cattle ranching definitely ain't good for climate change. But that's a two-parter, it's more the deforestation that's the issue than the livestock.




Yes. That kind of goes against what ballsalsa has been trying to claim. That we already have enough land for livestock to eliminate factory farming. If that's the case then why deforest in the first place.

Food for thought.




For money. Maybe Brazil isn't the right place to be a leading beef producer?  Food for thought.




Whether they are the right place or not(they're not like you said), their meat consumption for their population is very high as shown in the article I provided you.

Again, everything you say would be true if we lowered our meat consumption.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27906689 - 08/17/22 11:58 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Wild grazing herds have gone the way of the buffalo.  I don't have any spare aurochs or mastodons in my back pocket so I'm willing to make due.




Which is why I said we should integrate some of the livestock population back into nature without humans.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27906715 - 08/17/22 12:26 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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You quoted me and replied to me. What does that have to do with budmanmans comments?




Yeah, after you quoted and replied to my reply to budmanman.





Was that a private conversation........?



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Do you have issues agreeing to disagree?






Certainly not.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Tulipslave]
    #27906729 - 08/17/22 12:40 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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You quoted me and replied to me. What does that have to do with budmanmans comments?




Yeah, after you quoted and replied to my reply to budmanman.





Was that a private conversation........?



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Do you have issues agreeing to disagree?






Certainly not.




No it wasn't private, but it was in response specifically to what he said.

There is no debate on abrupt anthropogenic climate change. I think any person or scientist in the world would be ecstatic to be proven wrong. I know I would.

The natural cycle argument, is just not good enough for me based on the acceleration of warming in the given time frame in specific correlation with industrial activity. Which is why I said it would be nice to agree to disagree.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27906734 - 08/17/22 12:49 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Rising sea levels are obvious. Holland island in the Chesapeake doesn’t exist anymore.



The tidal basin in DC now floods twice a day



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Re: Climate Change [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27906753 - 08/17/22 01:14 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Wild grazing herds have gone the way of the buffalo.  I don't have any spare aurochs or mastodons in my back pocket so I'm willing to make due.




Which is why I said we should integrate some of the livestock population back into nature without humans.





The problem there is that we drove a the large predators to extinction long ago.  Without humans as a proxy, herds don't stay in motion and end up overgrazing areas and damaging the ecology more.  Reintroducing suitable predators is viable in some places.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
    #27906760 - 08/17/22 01:24 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

They throw in climate change into everything

Holland Island was a marshy, rapidly eroding island in the Chesapeake Bay. The island is abandoned as sinking of the land's surface associated with isostatic subsidence and sea level rise.

Since the seawalls were originally constructed in the 1930s and 40s, they’ve sunk an estimated 3-4 feet. At the same time the seawalls are settling down and the sea level is rising up.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27906800 - 08/17/22 01:53 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
Wild grazing herds have gone the way of the buffalo.  I don't have any spare aurochs or mastodons in my back pocket so I'm willing to make due.




Which is why I said we should integrate some of the livestock population back into nature without humans.





The problem there is that we drove a the large predators to extinction long ago.  Without humans as a proxy, herds don't stay in motion and end up overgrazing areas and damaging the ecology more.  Reintroducing suitable predators is viable in some places.




I thought that went without saying. It would be an ecological disaster if we don't reintroduce predators as well. Sort of like the wild boar crisis happening now. We don't have enough wild animals at all.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27906832 - 08/17/22 02:15 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I'm much more concerned with methane clathrates than cows.  That shit is going to be the end of us. Vast amounts on the seafloor are just a couple degrees C from being released as gas.  I'm also much more concerned with ammonia derived soluble nitrogen than nitrates in manure.  It's a way bigger issue because its use is much more widespread in modern agriculture.  Big ag doesn't fuck with manure, they fuck with salts which are so much more harmful on so many levels





for lay people readnig us, methane clathrates = gas hydrate, thing is cow farts will get us faster to the point the ocean starts bubbling. fortunatelky methane has seawater solubility and the sea will respond to microorganisms that can metabolize it, but yes, gas hydrates are VERY bad because once that starts its a chain reaction driving up the temperatrure higher and higher.

Most cow nitrogen is in the urea in their piss by the way, an ammonia compound. The poo too contains amino acid nitrogen, an amm,onia compound, only after composting does it become nitrate.
So, yes its Haber's curse, ammonia nitrogen in excess tghat caused this population explosion faster than science could find a way ho have us not destroiy the world.

If they put out a GMO soy that has the estrogen and antivitamins knocked out I'd eat its tofu by the tonne, now i limit my consumption.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: donwats]
    #27906899 - 08/17/22 03:01 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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They throw in climate change into everything

Holland Island was a marshy, rapidly eroding island in the Chesapeake Bay. The island is abandoned as sinking of the land's surface associated with isostatic subsidence and sea level rise.

Since the seawalls were originally constructed in the 1930s and 40s, they’ve sunk an estimated 3-4 feet. At the same time the seawalls are settling down and the sea level is rising up.




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Re: Climate Change [Re: Asante]
    #27906958 - 08/17/22 03:26 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I guess I should have more clearly specified that most industrial Ag fertilizer salts are produced from petroleum/gas derived ammonia and those are the ammonia compounds I'm most concerned with.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27906982 - 08/17/22 03:42 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

For clarity, are you referruing to the haber process of convertiung energy into nitrogen fertilizer or a direct retrieval of ammonia from a rather dirty natural gas deposit?

Almost all comes friom the Haber process.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: donwats]
    #27907005 - 08/17/22 04:00 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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They throw in climate change into everything

Holland Island was a marshy, rapidly eroding island in the Chesapeake Bay. The island is abandoned as sinking of the land's surface associated with isostatic subsidence and sea level rise.

Since the seawalls were originally constructed in the 1930s and 40s, they’ve sunk an estimated 3-4 feet. At the same time the seawalls are settling down and the sea level is rising up.




You threw climate change into both paragraphs. Sea levels are rising and there is only one mechanism for that: increased global temperature


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Asante]
    #27907008 - 08/17/22 04:01 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Haber process


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27907022 - 08/17/22 04:20 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Global warming is out of control look at this sinking land.

Me an intellectual, look at this snow ball.


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    #27907051 - 08/17/22 04:39 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, I guess I should have more clearly specified that most industrial Ag fertilizer salts are produced from petroleum/gas derived ammonia and those are the ammonia compounds I'm most concerned with.




Petroleum is the usual source of hydrogen for the Haber process


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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
    #27907052 - 08/17/22 04:41 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Exactly


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27907103 - 08/17/22 05:34 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Are you guys aware of the aerosol masking effect?


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