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Re: Climate Change [Re: 4-HO-Gumbo]
    #28019675 - 10/27/22 03:45 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I think everyone is pro-nuclear.  It's just that nuclear alone can't solve the problem.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #28019968 - 10/27/22 06:22 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

We seem to be moving away from it, and at least it’s taken a backseat to renewables as opposed to being viewed as a necessary bridge.

The only semi-coherent force I see against green energy is goofy righties, but there’s no issue drumming up fear about nuclear proliferation or radiological disasters for anyone who doesn’t want to carry the issue in office.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #28020081 - 10/27/22 07:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I think everyone is pro-nuclear.  It's just that nuclear alone can't solve the problem.




Nuclear can definitely solve all the problems.

Humanity is a problem. Like in The Matrix its said humans are a virus on the face of the planet. Biden and Putin get into a fight on Twitter and hit the button. The nukes cleanse the earth. A little radiation never stopped some hard surviving species.

All the problems are now solved


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Re: Climate Change [Re: imachavel]
    #28020434 - 10/27/22 09:41 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

The one who said humans are a virus was the evilest character in the movie. Agent Smith himself.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: 336]
    #28020915 - 10/28/22 08:29 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Who was, himself, a rouge virus. Projection!

I've written letters to the local representative of...everywhere I've lived since 8th grade in favor of nuclear power. Since I tend to move a lot, that adds up to quite a few letters.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that remember Jane Fonda's boobs battling a nuclear disaster.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos]
    #28021477 - 10/28/22 01:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I think the biggest issue with nuclear power is the potential for radiation leaking into the water. I mean most of these plants are right on the coastline. Some of them in earthquake and or tsunami prone areas. If it was feasible, I would say we should have nuclear power strictly kept in desert areas. However, that would require a massive channel to be created to divert water to the plants. At least until we figure out how to harness nuclear power in a more advanced way. Correct me if I'm wrong but nuke power is still basically a giant steam engine, right?

Or perhaps nuke plants in space that have the capability somehow to transfer the energy back to earth. Ive seen a few 'scientific' articles lately stating that research is going into beaming electricity from space; but I'm not sure exactly how it's supposed to work.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos]
    #28021482 - 10/28/22 02:02 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

SPOILERS
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Re: Climate Change [Re: 336]
    #28021489 - 10/28/22 02:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Only places near convergent plate boundaries are subject to tsunamis, and even Fukushima would have been totally fine if they had their backup power generation protected from surge.

The plain science is that modern nuclear power is inherently safe, passively so.

Even the radioactive release from Fukushima was negligible ASIDE FROM the explosions from the spent fuel pools, caused by the failure of the backup power gen

I’d love to be proved wrong


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Re: Climate Change [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #28021495 - 10/28/22 02:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Perhaps you're right. But I still don't like the idea of radioactive water contaminating the oceans. Even if it is 'negligible" which I contest personally. Despite the fact one of my professors said the same thing.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: 336]
    #28021531 - 10/28/22 02:30 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

This guy teaches nuclear physics and shit, makes YouTube videos for the cause

On Fukushima:



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Re: Climate Change [Re: 4-HO-Gumbo] * 1
    #28021546 - 10/28/22 02:34 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Space energy would almost certainly be solar. Almost all of the drawbacks of solar power disappear in space.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos]
    #28021656 - 10/28/22 03:24 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Except* the getting it back to Earth part

But we got lasers and shit


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Re: Climate Change [Re: 4-HO-Gumbo] * 1
    #28021855 - 10/28/22 05:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

That's exactly how it would work. Not really sure how you'd deal with the atmosphere, which has a tendency to scatter high energy wavelengths, but I think Asimov's vision of geostationary space stations with massive solar arrays that direct energy to a receiver on the ground is the future.

Maybe the receiver would be in low earth orbit, or like a space elevator thing maybe.

But that's assuming we even get there, I'm guessing we've got a good chance of going extinct before then.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos]
    #28021976 - 10/28/22 07:22 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Isn't the atmosphere transparent to various IR frequencies?


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos]
    #28021979 - 10/28/22 07:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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That's exactly how it would work. Not really sure how you'd deal with the atmosphere, which has a tendency to scatter high energy wavelengths, but I think Asimov's vision of geostationary space stations with massive solar arrays that direct energy to a receiver on the ground is the future.

Maybe the receiver would be in low earth orbit, or like a space elevator thing maybe.

But that's assuming we even get there, I'm guessing we've got a good chance of going extinct before then.




There’s a dude called thunderf00t, he’s a well cited nuclear physicist and shit and he’s done some debunking on shit like that.
Imma check

Edit: I’m probably mixing shit up, but even the thought of launching shitloads of rockets to make a massive solar array to beam down energy and lose a good amount is just insane when we have literal millions of years of potential nuke fuel on earth


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Re: Climate Change [Re: 336]
    #28022482 - 10/29/22 07:32 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I think the biggest issue with nuclear power is the potential for radiation leaking into the water. I mean most of these plants are right on the coastline. Some of them in earthquake and or tsunami prone areas. If it was feasible, I would say we should have nuclear power strictly kept in desert areas. However, that would require a massive channel to be created to divert water to the plants. At least until we figure out how to harness nuclear power in a more advanced way. Correct me if I'm wrong but nuke power is still basically a giant steam engine, right?

Or perhaps nuke plants in space that have the capability somehow to transfer the energy back to earth. Ive seen a few 'scientific' articles lately stating that research is going into beaming electricity from space; but I'm not sure exactly how it's supposed to work.




There are loads of nuclear power plants in the Midwest, and only 3 in the Western U.S.

I would agree that they are basically a giant steam engine.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28022533 - 10/29/22 08:59 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Or perhaps nuke plants in space that have the capability somehow to transfer the energy back to earth.




Nuclear power requires active cooling. All heat engines do. You need a hot side and a cool side.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
    #28022586 - 10/29/22 09:54 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Or perhaps nuke plants in space that have the capability somehow to transfer the energy back to earth.




Nuclear power requires active cooling. All heat engines do. You need a hot side and a cool side.




Good thing space is really fucking 🥶
That said maintenance, building etc everything would be a huge bitch and prohibitively expensive


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Ice9]
    #28022603 - 10/29/22 10:11 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Space is cold but makes a terrible heat sink for the same reason no one can hear you scream.  Think about how a thermos works, or double paned windows.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28022689 - 10/29/22 11:09 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I understand that only o e cooling modality is in play in space.  Radiative cooling is already used to cool astronauts in space suits.  There are materials made specifically to enhance that passive radiative cooling.  Not sure just how much surface area you would need to keep a nuclear reactor cool though, probably a shit load.


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