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Re: Climate Change [Re: Lynnch]
    #27984043 - 10/06/22 05:24 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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A typical passenger vehicle emits about 4.6 metric tons of carbon dioxide per year.




That figure alone is mind boggling.  :eek:

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Lynnch]
    #27984353 - 10/06/22 10:08 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Yes. There are other sources of CO2, like, say volcanoes. Trees are a carbon sink, they store carbon. So it's pretty easy to understand how, when humans burn a bunch of them, like how the amazon is being deforested, a bunch of extra co2 gets released into the atmosphere, and then the capacity of that sink is destroyed. Too much co2 with nowhere to go. Big problem.
What exactly do you not understand here? Are you trying to make the case for genocide? Cuz I think we can do better than that too.

A typical passenger vehicle emits about 4.6 metric tons of carbon dioxide per year. The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day. (x 365 = not 4.6 metric tons)




Ok at the very least

How do we change it now? If the main reason for global warming is all the CO2 pumped into the atmosphere and all the plants and animals we've killed that absorbs CO2 and produce oxygen and overpopulation of animals that absorb oxygen and produce CO2 in some way shape or form Plus all of the cars factories Etc pumping out CO2 and we have warmed the oceans to the extent that we have changed the planet so much it would take like 100,000 years of non-interference by humans in any way shape or form subtract all the cars and factories all the humans all the CO2 and let the plants and animals all return to their natural state and the oceans will not be over warm and the oceans will continue to absorb CO2 and produce oxygen and rebalance the planet then what does it matter?

Should everybody stop driving a car tomorrow? Absolutely. Is it going to make a difference in any of our lifetimes? Probably not.

In the long run the planet goes through several phases of warming and Cooling based on the natural habitat and geology and chemistry of the Earth as well as its relationship to the Sun. It's relationship to the sun won't change. Humans are in fact a byproduct of nature that produce chemicals the warm the Earth in a way humans are just the next phase of the Earth's cycle. Would reducing the temperature of the planet really help anything?

Geologists Plus historic genetic researchers plus historic researchers Etc seem to have found lots of fossil evidence that suggested one time the planet had an oxygen content in the atmosphere 20% higher and all of the animals and everything were so much larger. It was not bad for the plants either because apparently even though the plants use more CO2 the plants were larger back then than they even are now. Kind of hard to make sense with that right? If plants thrive on co2 why were the plants larger back then when there was a higher oxygen content and a lower CO2 content? Why aren't the plants larger now than ever in history?

Did it prevent a mass extinction? What does that mask Extinction was based on a meteor that hit and destroyed the planet ironically by filling the atmosphere with way too much CO2 and destroying plant life and therefore destroying all animal life Evolution went through its natural cycle anyway right?

Humans are on a path of destruction and it's totally almost impossible at some points to reverse engineer the recipe of our destruction. Perhaps a global warming is a benefit a blessing in disguise to all the other plants and animals of this Earth maybe we will kill ourselves off before we nuke everything. And weather removing beneficial plants and animals they prevent global warming and absorb CO2 and overpopulating with plants and animals that are not beneficial for global warming they only absorb oxygen and do not produce CO2 does not actually causes much of an imbalance as the amount of CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels and factories and cars the fact of the matter is even if you removed all those factories and cars the planet has been entirely changed simply by human interference reducing landscapes that absorbs CO2 overpopulating with animals that produce CO2 on a drastic level in a way that it would be pretty hard to reverse that even if you got rid of all the factories and cars.

My last sentence is indisputable. If we had not destroyed the oceans overfishing fish that eat small creatures that eat tons of ocean plants that absorb CO2 and produce oxygen then perhaps getting rid of all the cars and factories would help lower global warming and help promote global cooling.

Now how are we going to change that? I mean how are we going to restore the Landscapes we destroyed and remove us as animals and other animals that simply just exaggerate global warming?

Not to mention if in fact it's true with some scientists say that another Ice Age is coming up within the next few thousand years the next 10,000 years or so then perhaps on another level warming the planet will actually prevent our destruction. Could we live in an ice climate?

There's so much we don't know about the future we know we have changed this planet on a level that's very hard to reverse but at the same time it's very hard to know how to restore it without us just getting off the planet entirely and it's very hard to know the actual changes in the climate they would occur in the natural sequence of events where the planet warms up and then cools down every 100,000 years ago for Natural Ice Ages versus warming periods.

Humans are just playing bad news on the planet altogether though mmmkay?





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Re: Climate Change [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #27984402 - 10/06/22 10:50 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Sorry, that's not acceptable to me. Lazy suicidal cynicism is not acceptable. "oh it'll be to hard to fix, why bother" Not acceptable.

These are the current projected paths. Make a change, while mitigating the damage we can't avoid. Or; Do nothing, and destroy everything.



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Re: Climate Change [Re: imachavel]
    #27984460 - 10/06/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

It's a drug forum.  Lazy suicidal cynicism is prevalent .


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Lynnch]
    #27984465 - 10/06/22 11:24 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

My statement remains. How are you going to pull this off? How are you going to remove the lazy suicidal cynical attitude of a society of seven to eight billion people that does not care about what it's doing to the planet?

I mean do the best you can with your life. Stop driving a car that produces CO2 stop using produce CO2. Stop eating animals from farms that are over farmed with animals that over graze areas Andover populate and shit all over the place and create Mass amounts of CO2. Also stop eating fish from companies that overfish the oceans that ruin the oceans ability to have life that absorbs CO2 and produces oxygen. I will stop using power if I were you cuz those are from companies that don't care if they overproduce CO2.

In fact I would be very careful what you eat probably only certain foods otherwise when you yourself take a shit you contribute to a toxic waste system under the ground The Producers insane amounts of CO2. In fact I don't have the statistics to prove that I believe that the human waste sewer systems produce more CO2 when the waste is brought above ground in the processing plants than any of the cars and factories combined I do know for a fact that it's still a major contribution of CO2 production.

Also I wouldn't live in a city that is destroyed large ecosystems that could absorb CO2 and produce O2. So really any City with like more than 10,000 people in it it's paved tons of Roads destroyed lots of trees put lots of cars Etc.


Easier said than done huh? What you call Lazy suicidal cynicism I call a sense of acceptance and realism that I am but a short passing of time on this planet and that I contribute in the very least amount to the destruction of this planet but at the very least I accept that I am part of a species that will destroy itself and hopefully I'm one of the people that tried to contribute to a cause that prevented the species from destroying itself instead of contributing with lazy suicidal cynicism to the other genocide of my own species and a historical Extinction not seen since the dinosaurs and I merely spent all my time posting graphs with what I call incorrect numbers.

Of course we could all accept that measuring the exact elements and exact percentages of the change in the ecosystems that contribute to global warming is very hard to measure Beyond Simple graphs and how many cars produce what amount of CO2 and factories produce it and then we barely have any information on how much we've actually destroyed our ecosystem which absorbs CO2 and produces O2 but of course whatever if anybody really thinks that the smallest percentage of global warming is simply the destruction of the ecosystems the filter out the CO2 and produce O2 and it's mostly just about the use of cars and if we stop using cars the planet will reverse itself 50,000 years or so back to when it had a much more balanced O2 and CO2 level of atmosphere then fine.

I was just trying to be open minded :shrug:


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Re: Climate Change [Re: imachavel] * 2
    #27984499 - 10/06/22 11:44 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

You know what I really want? To go outside for a walk or bike ride, and not breathe in burning oil fumes from every passing car. Not gonna happen tomorrow.. but in 10-20 years? It might actually happen.
We can do better, that's all I'm saying :shrug:

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Lynnch]
    #27984508 - 10/06/22 11:49 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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You know what I really want? To go outside for a walk or bike ride, and not breathe in burning oil fumes from every passing car. Not gonna happen tomorrow.. but in 10-20 years? It might actually happen.
We can do better, that's all I'm saying :shrug:




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Re: Climate Change [Re: Lynnch]
    #27984510 - 10/06/22 11:50 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

You can do that now.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27985133 - 10/06/22 06:12 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

:thumbup: now I get it


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Re: Climate Change [Re: imachavel]
    #28000038 - 10/15/22 08:35 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)



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Re: Climate Change [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #28000483 - 10/15/22 02:46 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

We'll see what the price is.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: 336]
    #28000530 - 10/15/22 03:24 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Fucking scam article.  They call it motionless, but when you watch the video, there's a literal fan turning.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #28000536 - 10/15/22 03:29 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

A wind turbine is a reversed motor, so is a motionless wind turbine a reverse ion thruster?

And are there enough ions passively floating around to generate energy?

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28001327 - 10/16/22 03:16 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I read something a couple days ago, maybe from Japan, I'm not sure. It was about some scientists who were very encouraged about the possibilities of generating electricity through the motion of osmosis involving salt water. On some kind of large scale, but like the pressure gradient that goes on in every human and animal cell. They said the issue was developing the ideal semipermeable membrane.

I would have thought the power of ocean waves, which is already being done, sounded more practical, but what do I know about hard science.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Brian Jones]
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Re: Climate Change [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28001428 - 10/16/22 06:43 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

As I understand it, they have managed to do pretty well with wave based generation. The issue is that getting those machines to operate reliably in such harsh conditions is really difficult. On top of that, you have to service them in those conditions. The large scale feasibility isn't there as a result.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28001706 - 10/16/22 12:00 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I read something a couple days ago, maybe from Japan, I'm not sure. It was about some scientists who were very encouraged about the possibilities of generating electricity through the motion of osmosis involving salt water. On some kind of large scale, but like the pressure gradient that goes on in every human and animal cell. They said the issue was developing the ideal semipermeable membrane.

I would have thought the power of ocean waves, which is already being done, sounded more practical, but what do I know about hard science.




That kinda sounds like a flow battery?

I haven't heard anything about flow batteries recently, which makes me kinda sad. They seemed very promising. Basically, a regular battery, except the components that react to create electricity are kept in separate tanks, and can be fed into the battery, then drained out and recharged.

Feel like using osmosis to generate power would be a hard sell when freshwater supplies are in question.

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Korean Consortium to import QLD hydrogen


More than 60% of all clean hydrogen will be transported over long distances by 2050: Hydrogen CouncilPure H2 will be traded via pipeline, with derivatives such as ammonia moving by ship, says new report




Whenever a source of energy has to have "clean" placed in front of it, you know that shit is horrible for the environment. I'm amazed that hydrogen is getting the clean coal treatment. This stuff is probably worse than we think.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos]
    #28001849 - 10/16/22 02:21 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

When someone places "probably" in front of a statement you know they're guessing.

If you're making hydrogen from petroleum by-products = bad

If you're making hydrogen from renewable power = much better(the renewable power is best consumed as electricity instead of running an electrolyser to produce hydrogen, but it's still not producing carbon)

If only we had a shit ton of renewable power.

Industry enlisted for delivery of $62B QLD SuperGrid

Also, Gladstone is going to trial up to 10% hydrogen straight into the existing gas network.

https://www.australiangasnetworks.com.au/hyp-gladstone

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28001963 - 10/16/22 03:37 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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When someone places "probably" in front of a statement you know they're guessing.




That's bullshit.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #28002443 - 10/16/22 10:04 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Whenever a source of energy has to have "clean" placed in front of it, you know that shit is horrible for the environment. I'm amazed that hydrogen is getting the clean coal treatment. This stuff is probably worse than we think.





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When someone places "probably" in front of a statement you know they're guessing.




That's bullshit.




In regards to the post I was replying to nah.

The idea that hydrogen produced renewably is probably worse than clean coal is guesswork.

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