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That's what I've been thinking.
Here's a few things to consider as well.


There's a lot more related information regarding Milankovitch cycles and its effects on climate / ice ages / etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
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#27980961 - 10/04/22 10:33 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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You're not bringing up anything that climate scientists don't know.
Now consider this,
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Ocean acidification is the reduction in the pH of the Earth’s ocean. This process takes place over periods lasting decades or more. Its main cause is the absorption of carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere. This, in turn, increases CO2 concentrations in the ocean. Between 23 and 30% of the CO2 that is in the atmosphere dissolves into oceans, rivers and lakes.[1][2][3] Acidification is one of several effects of rising CO2 on the ocean. Other chemical changes to the ocean can also cause acidification.[4] As the ocean absorbs CO2, seawater chemistry changes, which changes the living conditions of marine species. Many different species are affected, especially organisms that rely on calcium carbonate shells and skeletons, like mollusks, oysters and corals. Organisms like these struggle to build their calcium carbonate shells or skeletons when ocean waters have increased acidity.[5] Ocean acidification has occurred previously in Earth's history. The resulting ecological collapse in the oceans had long-lasting effects on the global carbon cycle and climate. The main solution to present-day ocean acidification lies in reducing atmospheric CO2 levels through climate change mitigation. Over 100 science academies have issued a statement on ocean acidification. The statement recommends that by 2050, global CO2 emissions be reduced by at least 50% compared to 1990 levels ... Current rates of ocean acidification have been compared with the greenhouse event at the Paleocene–Eocene boundary (about 55 million years ago) when surface ocean temperatures rose by 5–6 degrees Celsius. No catastrophe was seen in surface ecosystems, yet bottom-dwelling organisms in the deep ocean experienced a major extinction. The current acidification is on a path to reach levels higher than any seen in the last 65 million years,[55][56][57] and the rate of increase is about ten times the rate that preceded the Paleocene–Eocene mass extinction. The current and projected acidification has been described as an almost unprecedented geological even
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It's all part of a process. Trust the plan. Just wait a few hundred thousand years (perhaps a few million; depending). Everything will return to 'normal'.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: 336]
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With a little help from the remnants of Ian, beaches along the mid-Atlantic are having some of the highest tides ever recorded.
This afternoon the streets of Bethany beach are under water. The dunes are gone and there is now a 12 foot cliff where the beach used to be.


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Not to be too cold, but for those concerned with CO2 / climate change, wouldn't it be a good thing if all the coastlines across the globe flooded? I mean that's where most people live thus the majority of the CO2 produced right?
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#27982069 - 10/04/22 10:11 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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No. I think we can do better than suicide.
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It would only be partial suicide. Most would probably survive actually. The worst effect of it would be the destruction of trillions of dollars of industry, buildings, machines, etc. Which would severely decrease CO2. What will be 'funny' tho is when that happens, and the climate continues to change, because climate change isn't actually the result of CO2 or greenhouse gasses as much as it is a part of the milankovitch cycles. That said, fuck oil. I'm all about solar.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: 336]
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So have you also noticed the seasons shifting through the months because that’s the scale of that change. Completely negligible over the period of centuries
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It's hard to say. Such cycles in combination with higher CMEs and other factors could be responsible for such weather/climate changes.
I'll be honest though I wish I could get on board the anti-CO2 train, but my gut, alongside the things I have learned about the particular humans pushing such ideas forces me to distrust such a narrative.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
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koods said: So have you also noticed the seasons shifting through the months because that’s the scale of that change. Completely negligible over the period of centuries
Yes Seasons just generally don't do that. They basically have the same exact weather the same exact temperature every year and they don't change much throughout history based on their own accord like there's never been warming. Or ice ages without like humans polluting the planet. Totally those Seasons never shift or change on any kind of scale like that on their very own they always do the exact same thing. You know unless someone interferes
you totally got me with this argument bro
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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
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koods said: So have you also noticed the seasons shifting through the months because that’s the scale of that change. Completely negligible over the period of centuries
Koods......
....... You know what? 
Edit: your liberal BS just really gets to me. But you know whatever to be honest I'm just replying in this thread because I assume it's going to become hella controversial in the upcoming times ahead when the ultimate meltdown is triggered Etc. Hella
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humans are silly
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#27982494 - 10/05/22 09:06 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I’m just saying that precession moves the seasons, not the climate.
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From what I've learned it shifts the seasons and the climate. That said I do agree that the rapid shifts we are seeing now may be exacerbated by human disruption of the environment. That said I feel that CO2 shouldn't be as high on the list as it is; if at all given some evidence discovered in ice cores where CO2 was much higher than it was, and yet global temperatures were not significantly different at all.
So basically, my issue with climate change propaganda is that it seems to be hyper-focused on a singular issue. And it just so happens that the issue they have chosen to hyper focus on also has massive economic consequences that can be used to weaken nations as well as to push for human depopulation. Not to mention it creates opportunities for corrupt individuals and corporations to take advantage of the situation and make a lot of money. The oil/gas companies alone stand to make an ungodly amount from this, as supply decreases artificially due to taxes and regulations these companies can increase the cost of their product (oil/gas/etc) while maintaining high supply. Whilst simultaneously buying up competing energy suppliers like solar/wind/etc companies.
Here's a graph I found on historic levels of CO2 compared to the temperature. I have yet to find a really solid reference for this graph, however, if someone could help me find the references for the information and or debunk it that would be cool. I believe the information is supposed to be based off of ice-core samples if I'm not mistaken.
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Yeah, it is hyper focused on consumers when in fact producers easily lead the way on all CO2 outputs. They can't be bothered with being responsible, so they greenwash and place the blame on consumers. Paper straws being a nice example of meaningless reform.
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Is climate change due to increased co2 necessarily a bad thing? Some scientists foresee an ice age in the future. In which case warming the planet may actually prevent our doom.
Also yes there are fanatically increased levels of co2 by percentage in the atmosphere. But you know the majority cause of it? Less then 10% is apparently from machines and factories. The majority is because of an increase in human and animal population and a decrease in forested areas over the last 100 years. If you removed all cars and factories from the earth the majority of animals and humans releasing co2 from their bodies and the reduction of plants to absorb the co2 would still make it very difficult to rebalance co2 levels.
We are fucked. But if what scientists predict is true about an upcoming ice age then we are much better off "warming" the planet to prevent excessive cooling.
The truth is on a large scale it is EXTREMELY difficult to predict exactly how much we actually have changed the planet by measuring seasonal differences and how much it has changed of its own natural accord versus in what direction it will change on its own without our interference anyway. It is a very tough science to measure.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: Lynnch]
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Lynnch said: No. I think we can do better than suicide.
This isn't exactly suicide, though. See, suicide is quick. Suicide is painless. What we are doing is more akin to smoking, or alcoholism. We're gonna collectively die early, as a species, but it will not be quick, and it will not be pleasant. We will be going through the problems associated with a self destructive habit, slowly, individually, and only upon going through that will we die.
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Please. Guys. Please. You're killing me.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: Lynnch]
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"Warming oceans. Ocean temperature more than any other factor controls CO2 content on the planet. This Bohr Institute study confirms the expected 200 year lag in CO2 from outgassing of the gradually warming oceans since the end of the Maunder Minimum and the Little Ice Age. Rise in temperatures and CO2 follow each other closely in climate change “"Our analyses of ice cores from the ice sheet in Antarctica shows that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere follows the rise in Antarctic temperatures very closely and is staggered by a few hundred years at most," Terrestrial biomass. The OCO-2 data confirms the tropical forests and southern oceans dominate CO2 positive annual flux. #AGU14 NASA's Orbiting Carbon Observatory shows surprising CO2 emissions in Southern Hemisphere Soil “ This generates a gap of 20 Pg C between the global emissions and absorptions, which is twice the current total anthropogenic emissions (9–10 Pg C/yr). Therefore, there is a great uncertainty in the sources of the increased atmospheric CO2, and we may not reach to the conclusion that elevating atmospheric CO2 concentration is mainly from human activities.” CO2 Fluxes, Sources and Sinks"
Production of co2 is not limited purely to human output. And absorption of co2 is definitely not limited to the removal of co2 by human output. No one is denying the human activities more than anything has increased the ability of the planet to create CO2 and decrease the ability of the planet to absorb CO2. But much more so about the overpopulation of organisms that create CO2 and the reduction of organisms that absorb CO2 more than anything else. The industries of course totally add to it. But a percentage of economic Industries creating CO2 is not a percentage of CO2 created in the atmosphere on the planet.
Apparently there's very little research into what people have actually done to the ocean and the ocean is actually the biggest filter of CO2. We have killed so many fish that eat organisms that create CO2 in the ocean and also by warming the oceans the oceans less of a filter for CO2. And if I'm not mistaken there are more people breathing releasing CO2 then there are cars and industries creating CO2 maybe not in America. But not every country is as developed as we are. We have the most cars in the USA per person of population. If we have about 350 million people here we probably have about 350 million cars give or take. Some countries have like a billion people and barely any cars. At least by comparison. Also we have overpopulated the planet with cows which create tons of CO2. That is good for us. At one time natural Predators ate and killed many of these cows. These cows eat tons of agricultural sources which absorb CO2 and then the cows themselves produce tons of CO2.
Measuring global warming changes is not as simple as just counting factories and cars. These things have a big impact on the planet but there are many other things which change how well the planet absorbs CO2 or not and produces it or not.
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Yes. There are other sources of CO2, like, say volcanoes. Trees are a carbon sink, they store carbon. So it's pretty easy to understand how, when humans burn a bunch of them, like how the amazon is being deforested, a bunch of extra co2 gets released into the atmosphere, and then the capacity of that sink is destroyed. Too much co2 with nowhere to go. Big problem. What exactly do you not understand here? Are you trying to make the case for genocide? Cuz I think we can do better than that too.
A typical passenger vehicle emits about 4.6 metric tons of carbon dioxide per year. The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day. (x 365 = not 4.6 metric tons)
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