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christopera said: ...Russia turned off the pipeline.
Did they? Or did we sanction Russia, preventing them from selling anything to us? 
Its a pandemic of mental illness here in the US. Now Russia is more aligned with China then ever before with others staring to follow suit.
This ends badly.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: donwats]
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nice platitude.
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christopera said: ...Russia turned off the pipeline.
Did they? Or did we sanction Russia, preventing them from selling anything to us? 
Yes, Russia did. I don't understand how you guys are confused about this? Is it that you can't understand the difference between sanctions on other products and natural gas pipelines?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62789675
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Russia has warned that it will not resume gas supplies along a key pipeline to Europe until sanctions are lifted.
Moscow has blamed Western countries for its decision not to reopen the Nord Stream 1 pipeline after it was shut for three days for maintenance.
When asked if supplies would resume pumping if sanctions were eased, a Kremlin spokesman said: "Definitely".
You see, Russia has decided to keep the pipeline turned off, the sanctions being the reason, but they could turn it back on at any time if they wanted.
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russia also has zero sanctions against fertilizer and food trade so the whole blame the west angle is really stupid and requires extreme ignorance to believe.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: mushboy] 1
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mushboy said: russia also has zero sanctions against fertilizer and food trade so the whole blame the west angle is really stupid and requires extreme ignorance to believe.
Russia is forced to defend against western aggression, how they choose to do that is up to them.
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Why do you guys keep lumping blue Hydrogen in with Hydrogen produced through an electrolyser using renewable sourced electricity?
a) Because nobody is doing that
Do you guys read any of the links? Of course not 
The world's first liquefied hydrogen carrier left Japan on Friday to pick up its first cargo in Australia
Here's another one no one will read
Germany leads pack of countries pouring finance into hydrogen
Okay, so, Kawasaki floated a converted LNG tanker that will ship hydrogen generated from coal, and a number of countries are expanding their hydrogen infrastructure which will be generated from "a mixture of blue and green sources". Those are your articles.
So, I repeat:
Nobody is doing hydrolysis using renewables. Hydrogen comes from fossil fuels. Hydrogen will continue to come from fossil fuels. Because hydrogen is how the fossil fuel industry rebrands their fossil fuel consumption. Hydrogen is not a solution to the problem of climate change.
Someone else brought up mental health, which is actually a great analogy. Mental health crises can be medicalized, as we are doing right now, by expanding telehealth and such. That's hydrogen. Or mental health crises can be addressed at the root, by addressing the social and economic problems plaguing the US. We have science showing that chronic stress causes mental health problems in rats, we just won't apply that science to our lives. Because a small piece of society makes a lot of money under the status quo.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos]
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5,500 cargo ships, 3,500 tankers, and SG gets a hard on for one ship that makes hydrogen from fossil fuels and declares that hydrogen is saving the world. The last I saw there were like 12k hydrogen cars in the US, that out of like 300 million cars total in the US alone. Keep in mind there are nearly a million electric cars in the US, not including hybrids. Yep, hydrogen is going to make waves any day now. Surely somebody will figure it out...
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Wouldn't be surprised if there were more flywheel and wood-fired cars than there were hydrogen cars right now.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos]
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Still breaking the bond chemically vs electrolysis is interesting. From what I can tell the reaction has only been known since 2013
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Re: Climate Change [Re: donwats]
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Seems pretty ananlogous one of the common methods of producing hydrogen in the laboratory, which is just aluminum metal in a solution of sodium hydroxide in water.
Of course the ease at which an element reacts with water is countered by the difficultly in making the free element from its ore. Aluminum reacts with water so vigorously it not only produces hydrogen but the reaction also releases energy. The problem is that it takes massive amounts of energy to make aluminum from aluminum oxides. Something like 5% of the worlds electrical power is used to make aluminum metal.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
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Aluminum metal is probably even more energy intensive to produce than the "metallurgical process" those guys use to make Si.
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I don’t even think you can make aluminum metal through chemistry. It requires electricity.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
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I know, thats why I said:
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christopera said: ...Russia turned off the pipeline.
Did they? Or did we sanction Russia, preventing them from selling anything to us? 
Yes, Russia did. I don't understand how you guys are confused about this? Is it that you can't understand the difference between sanctions on other products and natural gas pipelines?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62789675
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Russia has warned that it will not resume gas supplies along a key pipeline to Europe until sanctions are lifted.
Moscow has blamed Western countries for its decision not to reopen the Nord Stream 1 pipeline after it was shut for three days for maintenance.
When asked if supplies would resume pumping if sanctions were eased, a Kremlin spokesman said: "Definitely".
You see, Russia has decided to keep the pipeline turned off, the sanctions being the reason, but they could turn it back on at any time if they wanted.
Because of the sanctions, Siemens stopped servicing their equipment on Nord Stream, and Russia says this makes the pipeline dangerous to operate.
Whether you believe it or not doesn't really matter, because Russia did say they would provide gas through Nord Stream II, which the West is refusing.
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All Russia has to do is just pull their troops out of Ukraine and apologize.
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Nope. Nordstream 2 never achieved regulatory clearance. It isn't a functioning pipeline. Nordstream was shutoff, by Russia. You can make excuses all you like, but even Russia (see quoted link) admitted they won't turn it on. Keep on hanging out with Spiderman and Wonder Woman though, lots of make believe out there for you.
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christopera said: Nope. Nordstream 2 never achieved regulatory clearance. It isn't a functioning pipeline.
Whose fault is that?
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Certainly no fault of the sanctions since it didn't meet regulatory clearance the year before Russia started blowing people up.
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What happened here
I was really enjoying the energy topic and you people are going on about Russia again
Ffs!
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