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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos]
#27960902 - 09/21/22 03:39 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Hydrogen seems like a desperate gasp of the fossil fuel industry. The majority of hydrogen would, in the near future, be made from fossil fuels.
Another reason that they push hydrogen is because of stranded assets--once oil goes the way of the dodo, all those pipes become worthless scrap unless you're pumping a new fuel through it, like hydrogen. Tax breaks.
Interestingly enough, the main industrial method of ammonia production worldwide in the Haber process, which uses hydrogen gas as a feedstock. Which comes from LNG.
Hydrogen is the future of the oil industry, not the environment.
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Liquified hydrogen requires active cooling. And a lot of it. We’re talking about 20° above absolute zero. Pretty much the coldest temperatures humanly possible on any scale other than lab
These vessels likely require active venting of hydrogen to maintain those temps. Seems incredibly wasteful especially since you have to make it from petroleum. LNG is a much better option. No cooling required and only moderate pressure
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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos]
#27960917 - 09/21/22 03:49 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Kryptos said:
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Kryptos said: Hydrogen seems like a desperate gasp of the fossil fuel industry. The majority of hydrogen would, in the near future, be made from fossil fuels.
Another reason that they push hydrogen is because of stranded assets--once oil goes the way of the dodo, all those pipes become worthless scrap unless you're pumping a new fuel through it, like hydrogen. Tax breaks.
Interestingly enough, the main industrial method of ammonia production worldwide in the Haber process, which uses hydrogen gas as a feedstock. Which comes from LNG.
Hydrogen is the future of the oil industry, not the environment.
Why do you guys keep lumping blue Hydrogen in with Hydrogen produced through an electrolyser using renewable sourced electricity?
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Fine use hydrogen on site to store excess electrical generation. It’s just ridiculous to think about cooling it to -255°c to liquify it for transport.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods] 1
#27960931 - 09/21/22 04:01 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Liquified hydrogen requires active cooling. And a lot of it. We’re talking about 20° above absolute zero. Pretty much the coldest temperatures humanly possible on any scale other than lab
These vessels likely require active venting of hydrogen to maintain those temps. Seems incredibly wasteful especially since you have to make it from petroleum. LNG is a much better option. No cooling required and only moderate pressure
Maybe you need to write to the governments of Germany, South Korea, Spain, Japan, the U.K., France, Australia, Canada, Chile and yes even your own government and advise them that co funding this is a bad idea. Technology hasn't improved surely? I'm sure you've got it right and they've got it wrong.
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Stable Genius said:
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Kryptos said:
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Kryptos said: Hydrogen seems like a desperate gasp of the fossil fuel industry. The majority of hydrogen would, in the near future, be made from fossil fuels.
Another reason that they push hydrogen is because of stranded assets--once oil goes the way of the dodo, all those pipes become worthless scrap unless you're pumping a new fuel through it, like hydrogen. Tax breaks.
Interestingly enough, the main industrial method of ammonia production worldwide in the Haber process, which uses hydrogen gas as a feedstock. Which comes from LNG.
Hydrogen is the future of the oil industry, not the environment.
Why do you guys keep lumping blue Hydrogen in with Hydrogen produced through an electrolyser using renewable sourced electricity?
a) Because nobody is doing that b) Because why not just cut out the hydrogenous middleman, scrap the stranded assets, and use the sustainably produced electricity directly?
Hydrogen is just another source of public funding that Oil can tap into while greenwashing their operations.
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ballsalsa said: I may have posted an earlier article about this stuff ITT. https://newatlas.com/energy/eat-si-hydrogen-powder/
Following a link in the article you posted ballsalsa.
No one bothered to read this or was it debunked already?
EPRO Si+ you apparently just water and lye to the Si+ and get chemical reaction which replaces electrolysis and allows you to safely transport it.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27960983 - 09/21/22 04:32 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Why do you guys keep lumping blue Hydrogen in with Hydrogen produced through an electrolyser using renewable sourced electricity?
a) Because nobody is doing that
Do you guys read any of the links? Of course not 
The world's first liquefied hydrogen carrier left Japan on Friday to pick up its first cargo in Australia
Here's another one no one will read
Germany leads pack of countries pouring finance into hydrogen
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Re: Climate Change [Re: donwats]
#27960987 - 09/21/22 04:34 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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And what is the energy required to make lye? Lol you think lye just grows magically?
What about the energy required to make silicon?
You have to analyze the entire system and add and subtract all the energy inputs and outputs. In the end it’s the same. If you want to liberate hydrogen from oxygen no matter how you do it, your inputs and outputs will equal the same amount. There’s no free lunch in thermodynamics
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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
#27961006 - 09/21/22 04:43 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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They should just release a virus and kill off a few billion of us.
Its the only way to save the world.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: donwats]
#27961063 - 09/21/22 05:03 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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we had the trial run these past two years. duh.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
#27961072 - 09/21/22 05:06 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: And what is the energy required to make lye? Lol you think lye just grows magically?
What about the energy required to make silicon?
You have to analyze the entire system and add and subtract all the energy inputs and outputs. In the end it’s the same. If you want to liberate hydrogen from oxygen no matter how you do it, your inputs and outputs will equal the same amount. There’s no free lunch in thermodynamics
Funny thing in the video they show crushing solar panels to get the silicon.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
#27961387 - 09/21/22 08:02 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: And what is the energy required to make lye? Lol you think lye just grows magically?
What about the energy required to make silicon?
You have to analyze the entire system and add and subtract all the energy inputs and outputs. In the end it’s the same. If you want to liberate hydrogen from oxygen no matter how you do it, your inputs and outputs will equal the same amount. There’s no free lunch in thermodynamics
You don't need super cooling or massive tanks to transport silicon or lye
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That’s true
Idk what the efficiency of making elemental silicon is. I assume it’s done through electrolysis of melted silicon oxides at very high temps, or maybe with reducing agents like iron is made. Either way it is a vey energy intensive process
Generally any metal that can replace hydrogen in water is very reactive and requires a lot of energy to produce from its ores
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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
#27961434 - 09/21/22 08:38 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: And what is the energy required to make lye? Lol you think lye just grows magically?
What about the energy required to make silicon?
You have to analyze the entire system and add and subtract all the energy inputs and outputs.
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koods said: That’s true
Idk what the efficiency of making elemental silicon is.
Fucking lol
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lol what?
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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods]
#27961553 - 09/21/22 09:41 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Fucking lol at you
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christopera said: ...Russia turned off the pipeline.
Did they? Or did we sanction Russia, preventing them from selling anything to us?
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solar power ftw
/thread /case closed
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