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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27955434 - 09/17/22 10:39 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Energy is energy, and it's there.  Whether or not someone has invented a commercial jet equivalent powered by renewables is irrelevant.



I didn't say energy.  You said energy.




I see.  So you meant something other than renewable energy sources when you said "Renewables aren't enough to replace fossil fuel."?


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27955436 - 09/17/22 10:44 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I meant renewable energy technology.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27955441 - 09/17/22 10:54 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)



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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955443 - 09/17/22 10:55 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

And yet... it's still not being done.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27955447 - 09/17/22 11:02 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Lots of things aren't being done.  You suggested that renewables "aren't enough" to replace fossil fuels in commercial jets.  I've shown the path with existing technologies, albeit brand new ones.  What's your next hurdle?


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27955454 - 09/17/22 11:11 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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I don't love nuclear but these pebble bed reactors are pretty cool
https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/x-energy-developing-pebble-bed-reactor-they-say-cant-melt-down




Lol omg it will melt down on day one guaranteed


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Re: Climate Change [Re: koods] * 1
    #27955461 - 09/17/22 11:25 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

You better tell the Chinese that;

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The Chinese have completed a commercial AR UO2 TRISO fuel facility and AR power plant (HTR-PM); the
TRISO-X Facility Project enables near-term competitiveness by employing a superior fuel (UCO TRISO)
manufactured in a U.S. fuel fabrica-tion facility (the TRISO-X Facility)



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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955478 - 09/18/22 12:13 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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And yet... it's still not being done.



Might that be because there is a short term profit motive involved with continued fossil fuel use, rather than a calculation of net good for the perpetuation of humanity?

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #27955561 - 09/18/22 03:31 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

In the late 70's early 80's we were all gung ho on No Nukes. It was a mistake. Burning coal has been more hazardous.

But renewable energy would have been far more developed by now if the oil lobby wasn't fighting it.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27955838 - 09/18/22 10:29 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Lots of things aren't being done.  You suggested that renewables "aren't enough" to replace fossil fuels in commercial jets.  I've shown the path with existing technologies, albeit brand new ones.  What's your next hurdle?



You think that pointing out a technology is rebutting what i said? Have you done the math? Any one plane can be made to run. Any one power plant can be replaced. Replacing all use of fossil fuel with existing tech isn't possible.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955850 - 09/18/22 10:39 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Not sure how one would figure, replacing the total current infrastructure , with a new "more efficient energy source", would be leave a higher or lower pollution footprint, than the status quo.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27955862 - 09/18/22 10:51 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Pollution is kind of a vague term. It is certainly possible to calculate the emissions generated by the construction and operation of a plant. Thing is, infrastructure gets old eventually. Do you spend the resources refurbishing coal plants, or do you build something cleaner?



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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27955872 - 09/18/22 11:01 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

In November 1968 it was impossible to fly to the moon.  In December 1968 it wasn't.

The scale makes it impossible?  That doesn't seem right. At one time, there were no power plants and there were no planes.  Somehow we ended up here starting from scratch but it's impossible to retrofit and/or replace existing technology with new?
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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27955873 - 09/18/22 11:01 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Okay.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955880 - 09/18/22 11:06 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I'm trying to understand your position.  You keep saying impossible and now you've added the qualifier "existing".  If you're saying that its impossible to replace fossil fuels next week then, sure, you're absolutely right but I don't think anyone expects that or has argued in favor of it.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27956056 - 09/18/22 01:10 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

With existing tech its impossible.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27956290 - 09/18/22 04:21 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I'll grant that but I don't think you can prove it.  In either case, there's always next month's tech.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27956347 - 09/18/22 05:12 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

IDK I feel like we could just make way more of things like idk these.



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Re: Climate Change [Re: budmanman]
    #27956356 - 09/18/22 05:14 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Shit India got one producing 140MW



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Re: Climate Change [Re: budmanman]
    #27956360 - 09/18/22 05:16 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Then if somehow every house could have solar shingles,



There really isn't a reason why, with current tech that it isn't possible.

It just isn't financially possible because well I mean a financial advisor could actually make it more mathematically practical as solar shingles last longer than regular shingles, the long term roof savings is undeniable, it is just the upfront cost that makes people Reee over it.

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