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Re: Climate Change [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27955145 - 09/17/22 07:06 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

"CLEAN ENERGY
The energy in nuclear waste could power the U.S. for 100 years, but the technology was never commercialized

The technology necessary to turn nuclear waste into energy is known as a nuclear fast reactor, and has existed for decades. It was proven out by a United States government research lab pilot plant that operated from the 1960s through the 1990s.

For political and economic reasons, the technology has never been developed at commercial scale. Today, there’s an increased urgency to address climate change by decarbonizing out energy grids, and nuclear power has become part of the clean energy zeitgeist. As a result, nuclear fast reactors are once again getting a serious look."

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/02/nuclear-waste-us-could-power-the-us-for-100-years.html


France has one though that is in operation.

We are so far behind in Nuclear energy and it is because of the lefties outrage that has been ongoing over nuclear.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27955156 - 09/17/22 07:17 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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I don't love nuclear but these pebble bed reactors are pretty cool
https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/x-energy-developing-pebble-bed-reactor-they-say-cant-melt-down




They look good too :thumbup:

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Other benefits:

Ability to load follow (from 100% to 40% power within 20 minutes), making the plant complementary to maintaining a stable load on a grid that includes renewables




That's pretty quick.
One thing batteries can do is instantaneously is smooth out that 20 minute period, which is why they're a great idea for grid stabilisation.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: budmanman]
    #27955160 - 09/17/22 07:24 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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We are so far behind in Nuclear energy and it is because of the lefties outrage that has been ongoing over nuclear.




Yes nuclear weapons and nuclear power were seen as the same problem, especially here(Aus) and New Zealand.

It's interesting here now that the conservatives have finally acknowledged climate change, they are pushing for nuclear(as well as continued coal power) as they know they can wedge The Greens against the Labor Party on an issue(nuclear power) that now makes a lot of economic sense.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #27955184 - 09/17/22 07:46 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

The thing with nuclear power is that it's still not renewable long term. The uranium will run out eventually.

Lefty communist california decided to keep its remaining nuclear plant operational, so that whole point isn't as valid as it used to be.

Also, there are forms of energy storage other than chemical batteries.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: Lynnch]
    #27955185 - 09/17/22 07:48 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Renewables aren't enough to replace fossil fuel.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Lynnch]
    #27955194 - 09/17/22 07:55 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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The thing with nuclear power is that it's still not renewable long term. The uranium will run out eventually.

Lefty communist california decided to keep its remaining nuclear plant operational, so that whole point isn't as valid as it used to be.

Also, there are forms of energy storage other than chemical batteries.





By the time we run out we will have Fusion.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: budmanman]
    #27955198 - 09/17/22 07:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Optimism...


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955214 - 09/17/22 08:03 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

It will take hundreds of years to run out, we have plenty of time to work on it.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27955224 - 09/17/22 08:06 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Renewables aren't enough to replace fossil fuel.



https://www.ucdavis.edu/climate/definitions/how-is-solar-power-generated#:~:text=UC%20Davis)-,The%2070%20percent%20of%20solar%20energy%20the%20Earth%20absorbs%20per,the%20world%20for%20one%20year.
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The 70 percent of solar energy the Earth absorbs per year equals roughly 3.85 million exajoules. In other words, the amount of solar energy hitting the earth in one hour is more than enough to power the world for one year.




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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27955278 - 09/17/22 08:44 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I assume you have a point, but that certainly doesn't rebut what I said.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955295 - 09/17/22 08:51 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Just the solar energy that hits the earth in a year dwarfs what can be extracted from fossil fuels.  Clearly renewables are enough to replace fossil fuels, its just a matter of extracting and storing that energy in a useful form.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27955311 - 09/17/22 09:00 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Yeah... no sweat. That's why we've already done it. No wait... we aren't even 10% of the way there.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955336 - 09/17/22 09:18 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Enlil is BIG ENERGIES Lawyer.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: budmanman]
    #27955350 - 09/17/22 09:27 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

No.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955367 - 09/17/22 09:41 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

You didn't say that we don't have the tech to extract and store renewables effectively enough yet.
You said:
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Renewables aren't enough to replace fossil fuel.





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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27955371 - 09/17/22 09:43 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Is absolutely true. What renewable can replace jet A for commercial flights?


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955403 - 09/17/22 10:03 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Energy is energy, and it's there.  Whether or not someone has invented a commercial jet equivalent powered by renewables is irrelevant.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955405 - 09/17/22 10:05 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Yeah... no sweat. That's why we've already done it. No wait... we aren't even 10% of the way there.



We haven't done it yet therefore it can't be done? Pretty sure you know how shit that argument is.

The US has 5 years of proven oil reserves left at current consumption. It's going to run out.

I don't know what you replace jet fuel with. Electric rail and blimps or something.

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Re: Climate Change [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27955411 - 09/17/22 10:07 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Energy is energy, and it's there.  Whether or not someone has invented a commercial jet equivalent powered by renewables is irrelevant.



I didn't say energy.  You said energy.


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Re: Climate Change [Re: Enlil]
    #27955433 - 09/17/22 10:35 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Is absolutely true. What renewable can replace jet A for commercial flights?





There is a lot of talk of jets going electric.


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