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r3volution.gurl
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Climate Change 1
#27902560 - 08/14/22 12:37 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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This is one of the best debate pieces I've read in a long time.
https://metacpc.org/en/climate-catastrophe-collapse/
This civilization is going to collapse painfully right to the bitter end. Even Noam Chomsky looks delusional now.
I've followed Prof. Guy McPherson for years and am able to contact him if anyone has any questions relating to what he said.
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Noam Chomsky started showing how shortsighted and irrelevant his opinions are a while ago, with his remarks on how the non-vaccinated should be treated.
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The Blind Ass
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Well, he is a linguist after all / not even close to a specialist in infectious diseases.
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donwats
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They fund the scientist to find evidence of global warming and if they find evidence they get more funding. Fund the same scientist to find evidence of global cooling and they will find evidence of global cooling.
The real environmental problems don't get addressed because of the non sense.
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r3volution.gurl
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Re: Climate Change [Re: donwats] 5
#27902826 - 08/14/22 08:07 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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You don't have to be a scientist to measure global average temperature every year.. it's warming, not cooling.
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r3volution.gurl
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Forrester said: Noam Chomsky started showing how shortsighted and irrelevant his opinions are a while ago, with his remarks on how the non-vaccinated should be treated.
Oh ya! I remember that now.
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The Blind Ass said: Well, he is a linguist after all / not even close to a specialist in infectious diseases.
He didn't need to be a specialist in diseases to suggest the unvaccinated be exiled from society lol it's clear he is biased because of his age, not expertise. Chomsky went from selfless to selfish. He's going to pass in the next 5 years anyways.
My first ever post on shroomery regarding self sustainability as a solution to at least mitigate damage to ecosystems and simulate a hospice for the planet is looking more and more feasible.
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Since we waited too long to actually fix this, "hospice for the planet" is well said.
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r3volution.gurl
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Guy Mcpherson's idea honestly.
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The Blind Ass
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Why is it so hard for some people to understand that the Earth can have sectors that vary in temperature both up and down - at the same time?
Global warming - check Global cooling - check
Many multiples of both at the same time in different places of the environment within our biosphere. So having funded science projects to further understanding of the relevancy of data obtained through observing natural phenomena is a good thing. It doesn’t hurt anyone really either.
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donwats
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r3volution.gurl said:
You don't have to be a scientist to measure global average temperature every year.. it's warming, not cooling.
Its mostly just another government fear program to brainwash the stupid. The historic temps hasn't changed more then 1 degrees over the last 100 years and the sea levels are exactly the same as 300 years ago.
Dr. Bjorn Lomborg is an academic and the author of the best-selling "False Alarm: How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions, Hurts the Poor and has repeatedly been named one of Foreign Policy's Top 100 Global Thinkers.
John Coleman founder of The Weather Channel (Libtard haters need not watch):
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Tulipslave
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The Blind Ass said: Why is it so hard for some people to understand that the Earth can have sectors that vary in temperature both up and down - at the same time?
Global warming - check Global cooling - check
Many multiples of both at the same time in different places of the environment within our biosphere. So having funded science projects to further understanding of the relevancy of data obtained through observing natural phenomena is a good thing. It doesn’t hurt anyone really either.
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The Blind Ass said: Why is it so hard for some people to understand that the Earth can have sectors that vary in temperature both up and down - at the same time?
Global warming - check Global cooling - check
Many multiples of both at the same time in different places of the environment within our biosphere. So having funded science projects to further understanding of the relevancy of data obtained through observing natural phenomena is a good thing. It doesn’t hurt anyone really either.
+1
What most people don't get is that the largest effects of air and sea temperatures rising will be marked by the extreme, swinging conditions from location to location. As more water vapor enters the upper layers, things shift further away from norms.
While there will be short to moderate term drought and high heat, there will also be extreme cold, snow events, flood events, tornadoes/hurricanes/typhoons, etc....
It's not fully known yet how exactly sea level rise/glacier melt will affect earthquakes and volcanoes.
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donwats
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The Blind Ass said: Why is it so hard for some people to understand that the Earth can have sectors that vary in temperature both up and down - at the same time?
Global warming - check Global cooling - check
Many multiples of both at the same time in different places of the environment within our biosphere. So having funded science projects to further understanding of the relevancy of data obtained through observing natural phenomena is a good thing. It doesn’t hurt anyone really either.
Agree, Coleman said its the fluctuations of the sun and changing ocean currents that create these forever changing hot and cold regions. But, the trillions wasted hurts many and pulls resources away from whats important, not to mention the control they claim over our lives.
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donwats
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Re: Climate Change [Re: donwats]
#27903024 - 08/14/22 10:46 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/understanding-climate-antarctic-sea-ice-extent
Overall, the long-term trend in Antarctic sea ice is nearly flat. The satellite record spans over four decades, and although the ice has shown increasing and decreasing trends over portions of that record, few of those trends have been statistically significant. Year-to-year variability has dominated, especially over the last decade. Since the year 2013, Antarctic sea ice has exhibited its highest and lowest extents on record—highest-ever winter maximum in September 2014, and lowest-ever summer minimum in February 2022. But the overall trend, as of early 2022, is nearly zero.
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shivas.wisdom
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r3volution.gurl said: My first ever post on shroomery regarding self sustainability as a solution to at least mitigate damage to ecosystems and simulate a hospice for the planet is looking more and more feasible.
Since we waited too long to actually fix this, "hospice for the planet" is well said.
I haven't had a chance to read the link yet, but that definitely sounds like my approach for the past decade or so.
One of the major reasons I originally came up to the Yukon is because this land is still alive and I wanted to help protect it from becoming like other places I've lived. Although most of my efforts fall under the umbrella of 'unofficial', I'm still on record from my second summer up here, speaking in favour of a moratorium on fracking in the Yukon - it gives a good summary of my thoughts at the time:
I wasn’t expecting to speak today but I feel that I’m here, I should. I’ve travelled all around Canada and I’ve seen all the different environments that this country has to offer. One of the reasons I keep finding myself back up in the Yukon is that you get a sense the land is still alive here. It’s not protected within a park surrounded by, you know, the slow crawl of parking lots and strip malls. To want to destroy that seems short-sighted. The benefit you will get from fracking will be temporary and then what will be lost won’t be able to be brought back again in any of our lifetimes. I think that’s just something that we should think about. I don’t have the answer but go out into the forest — it’s easy — so that you can do a day hike and be in the middle of nowhere. Sit quiet for a bit and kind of listen to the silence and think if you still want to continue with the fracking. That’s it.
That moratorium was successful, btw, and still stands today despite consistent legal pushback from Oil&Gas industry.
___ ___ ___PS: Taking the moment to plug one of the more influential environmentalist essays I've read, which I feel is deeply relevant to this specific topic of environmental hospice: DesertQuote:
Forward!
Something haunts many activists, anarchists, environmentalists, many of my friends. It haunted me. Much of our subcultures tell us it’s not there, that we can’t see it, hear it. Our best wishes for the world tell us not to see it. But for many, despite their best efforts — carrying on with the normal activism, the movement building, living both according to and as an expression of their ethics — despite all this, the spectre gains form. The faint image grows more solid, more unavoidable, until the ghost is staring one in the face. And like many monsters of past tales, when its gaze is met — people freeze. Become unable to move. Give up hope; become disillusioned and inactive. This malaise, freezing, not only slows ‘activist workload’, but I have seen it affect every facet of many of my friends’ lives.
The spectre that many try not to see is a simple realisation — the world will not be ‘saved’. Global anarchist revolution is not going to happen. Global climate change is now unstoppable. We are not going to see the worldwide end to civilisation/capitalism/patriarchy/authority. It’s not going to happen any time soon. It’s unlikely to happen ever. The world will not be ‘saved’. Not by activists, not by mass movements, not by charities and not by an insurgent global proletariat. The world will not be ‘saved’. This realisation hurts people. They don’t want it to be true! But it probably is.
These realisations, this abandonment of illusions should not become disabling. Yet if one believes that it’s all or nothing, then there is a problem. Many friends have ‘dropped out’ of the ‘movement’ whilst others have remained in old patterns but with a sadness and cynicism which signals a feeling of futility. Some hover around scenes critiquing all, but living and fighting little.
“It’s not the despair — I can handle the despair. It’s the hope I can’t handle.” [1]
The hope of a Big Happy Ending, hurts people; sets the stage for the pain felt when they become disillusioned. Because, truly, who amongst us now really believes? How many have been burnt up by the effort needed to reconcile a fundamentally religious faith in the positive transformation of the world with the reality of life all around us? Yet to be disillusioned — with global revolution/with our capacity to stop climate change — should not alter our anarchist nature, or the love of nature we feel as anarchists. There are many possibilities for liberty and wildness still.
What are some of these possibilities and how can we live them? What could it mean to be an anarchist, an environmentalist, when global revolution and world-wide social/eco sustainability are not the aim? What objectives, what plans, what lives, what adventures are there when the illusions are set aside and we walk into the world not disabled by disillusionment but unburdened by it?
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r3volution.gurl
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Re: Climate Change [Re: donwats]
#27903143 - 08/14/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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donwats said:
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r3volution.gurl said:
You don't have to be a scientist to measure global average temperature every year.. it's warming, not cooling.
Its mostly just another government fear program to brainwash the stupid. The historic temps hasn't changed more then 1 degrees over the last 100 years and the sea levels are exactly the same as 300 years ago.
Dr. Bjorn Lomborg is an academic and the author of the best-selling "False Alarm: How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions, Hurts the Poor and has repeatedly been named one of Foreign Policy's Top 100 Global Thinkers.
John Coleman founder of The Weather Channel (Libtard haters need not watch):
Wow there are still people who deny Climate change and on shroomery? What a disappointment. The Government has downplayed the severity of global warming for decades and failed to prevent catastrophic consequences. I don't get my info from the Government and cherry picked information is just sad at this point. Can't believe people are still believeing the crap you do today.
I'm not debating climate change with you or anyone. Permafrost is melting, it would not be melting if the global temperature was not rising. BASIC, smple, simple, simple shit to understand. If you have a VR and go to Google Earth you can see the methane gas craters all over the globe. I don't have the patience to listen to idiots who still cherry pick and pretend it's not happening.
Global warming doesn't mean a straight warming trend consistently. Global average temperature measured throughout the globe is on an increasing trend.
Maybe look at both the Arctic and Antarctica when trying to come to a conclusion.
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r3volution.gurl
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The Blind Ass said: Why is it so hard for some people to understand that the Earth can have sectors that vary in temperature both up and down - at the same time?
Global warming - check Global cooling - check
Many multiples of both at the same time in different places of the environment within our biosphere. So having funded science projects to further understanding of the relevancy of data obtained through observing natural phenomena is a good thing. It doesn’t hurt anyone really either.
It's not hard to understand. The overall(average) trend is warming.
The greenhouse gas effect is basic like seriously. How are there people who still deny the most basic science. Sad af.
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These discussions always go the same way 1) "There's no such thing as climate change, it's a hoax" 2) "Well, sure, climate change is real hut it's actually not even bad" 3) "Well sure, it's bad but it's the sun, there's nothing we can do about it" 4) "Well sure, there are things we could do but they're expensive and inconvenient" 5) Disengage for a while before starting back at stage 1
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The Blind Ass
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Needs more fungi/lsd to shake it up a little, imho.
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Tulipslave
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Needs more fungi/lsd to shake it up a little, imho.
Or, our entire culture shifts and perception of life and quality of life become based on happiness and environmental health/integrity.
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donwats
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r3volution.gurl said: It's not hard to understand. The overall(average) trend is warming.
The greenhouse gas effect is basic like seriously. How are there people who still deny the most basic science. Sad af.
I gave you three sources and you just tell me its real because you know its real LoL
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