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Re: Monkeypox, and the patterns of Transmission [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #27883770 - 07/31/22 07:30 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Well...virology is one of my strong suits...thanks for the links too.

I will say that HIV is a very unique virus, most studies come from cultures samples for 1 major reason, and that is this;

HIV is a virus that has the ability to change its RNA based specifically off of each individual white blood cell it infects, each person has billions of WBCs, so when studying it in a lab there needs to be a constant, whereas if they were taking samples from bloodwork, every virus would be different.

The lab controlled variable means that they can make accurate hypothesis and predictions as to how the virus will react to whatever test is being conducted.

Using actual blood samples would introduce wayyy too many unknown variables into the situation and negate any scientific knowledge.

So “petri dish samples” are just an effective, and easy way to control the amount of influencing factors into each study.

That ability to alter/Cater its RNA coding time each individual WBC is also what makes it so difficult to provide an anti viral therapy.

Now...if we are talking about a case by case basis, HIV can be treated somewhat successfully, however on the grand scene...with billions of people at risk...they are finding it very difficult to find a “1 size fits all” treatment to this emerging/evolving infection


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Re: Monkeypox, and the patterns of Transmission [Re: TheShroomanizer]
    #27894329 - 08/08/22 06:15 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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In 1979 the WHO stopped mandatory smallpox vaccinations...as they declared smallpox to be eradicated.

Shortly after in 1980s, HIV took off like wild fire.




The people who got hiv in the 80s were all vaccinated for smallpox. Remember children were the primary recipients of the vaccine and you’d have to wait nearly two decades before the kids who weren’t vaccinated starting in the early 70s got old enough to become sexually active.

What appears to be contemporaneous is not actually.

Why is monkeypox spreading mainly amongst gay men? Monkeypox is an STD the way mononucleosis, MRSA or ringworm are STDs. Intimacy clearly plays a role, but I think focusing on sexual intimacy is a big mistake. Kissing is probably a big mode of transmission. Contaminated surfaces like clothing, towels and exercise equipment are also pretty risky.

The virus was introduced into a very sexually active and mobile demographic, seeding new outbreaks all over the world. Non sexual transmission between gay men is also happening. Roommates and friends. People are getting infected at gyms. We are not finding many cases in groups other than sexual active gays because we aren’t looking elsewhere. Many reports of women and straight men having a hard time even getting tested. Until recently in the U.K. you couldn’t even qualify for a test unless you were a sexually active gay man.

It’s spreading outside the gay community. In Mexico now more than 10% of cases are in women. Until the case growth in gay men slows, the growing signal in the wider community will be hard to see. Only a dozen of so women in NYC are sick. But remember two months ago there were only a dozen gay men in NYC. Intimate contact is going to become risky for everyone not too far down the line I suspect.

Monkeypox is going to be a slow burn in the general population, but I do think it’s here for good.


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Re: Monkeypox, and the patterns of Transmission [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27896825 - 08/10/22 03:47 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

THE mistake of the 1980s was to homophobe AIDS off as a gay disease and sweep it under the rug.

Dont mistake it, monkeypox is for everybody, and stigmatizing it as "something other people get but not me" will only facilitate its spread.

If you touch something touched by it and then touch your mouth or pick your nose, i'm pretty sure you'll get it.


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Re: Monkeypox, and the patterns of Transmission [Re: Asante]
    #27900353 - 08/12/22 09:30 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Here is a link to the study, showing that smallpox vaccination causes a mutation in white blood cells making it 5x harder (roughly) for HIV to infect/reproduce.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100517204405.htm
It’s an old article, I remember I read it back when I was in school.

Now it’s important to notice that I said 5x more resistant to infection, NOT immune to infection...so of course people will continue to get HIV even if they had been vaccinated for smallpox, however the case counts sky rocketed once the smallpox vaccine ended its global campaign, and the age gap was bridged between risk exposure, and the non-vaccinated. So there is definitely a correlation there that could be understudied.


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Re: Monkeypox, and the patterns of Transmission [Re: Asante]
    #27900629 - 08/12/22 01:06 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:

If you touch something touched by it and then touch your mouth or pick your nose, i'm pretty sure you'll get it.




Actually...if you simply touch it, you’ll get it, contracting Monkeypox and orthopoxviruses in general does not require ingestion...

It’s called direct transmission through skin to skin contact, and can also occur when materials that have been exposed to Monkeypox comes in contact with other parts of the body.

Pretty sturdy and resilient virus, and it’s effective with droplet transmission, as well as broad range of bodily fluid transmission, and skin to skin contact.

And as I said ways up...the purpose of this thread is not to make this sound like a “gay virus”...but to simply uncover cultural, habitual, behavioral, environmental influences, and causes as to why it is spreading predominantly in the LGB+++ community (NOW).

I’m sure we can look into general population transmission rates once it has made that jump. And it will...


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