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2c-gLee
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Did you know RFE/RL is a Government funded propaganda organization?
I'd be willing to bet there's a lot more to those stories than what they are telling you.
You do not have any apparent problem with propaganda organizations that are funded (and thus controlled) by the Russian Government, such as RT.com, which you have repeatedly cited on this forum, so what exactly is the point that you are trying make here?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: 2c-gLee] 1
#27896815 - 08/10/22 03:10 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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2c-gLee said: You do not have any apparent problem with propaganda organizations that are funded (and thus controlled) by the Russian Government, such as RT.com, which you have repeatedly cited on this forum, so what exactly is the point that you are trying make here?
No one here has found RT telling a lie yet. On the other hand, let's just look at the first bullet Psilynut2 posted.
In October 2016, Daghestani imam Magmednabi Magomedov was sentenced to five years in prison for "inciting hatred" after he visited a local police station and demanded the release of several locals whom he believed to be wrongly held.
No, that's not why he was jailed. He is a Muslim extremist who made public calls for terrorist activity (Russians have nothing against Muslims by the way - 10% of Russia is Muslim).
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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#27896818 - 08/10/22 03:22 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: The Russian scale starts at 14%. The US scale ends at 9.2.
Again, I am interested in what's happened since the war.
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koods said: You can’t use annual data to extrapolate weekly or monthly inflation rates. If you want to examine the trends after the war started you can’t use numbers that are based on prices a year ago, which the annual data is.
You're right. We'll have to find weekly or monthly inflation in the US.
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The Blind Ass
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See my last posts wrt RT. Definitely not honest.
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christopera
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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2c-gLee said: You do not have any apparent problem with propaganda organizations that are funded (and thus controlled) by the Russian Government, such as RT.com, which you have repeatedly cited on this forum, so what exactly is the point that you are trying make here?
No one here has found RT telling a lie yet. On the other hand, let's just look at the first bullet Psilynut2 posted.
In October 2016, Daghestani imam Magmednabi Magomedov was sentenced to five years in prison for "inciting hatred" after he visited a local police station and demanded the release of several locals whom he believed to be wrongly held.
No, that's not why he was jailed. He is a Muslim extremist who made public calls for terrorist activity (Russians have nothing against Muslims by the way - 10% of Russia is Muslim).
No one here has found RT telling a lie yet? People have done that many times all to satisfy you, and you just keep ignoring it.
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Brian Jones
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Eric Trump took the 5th over 500 times in his deposition on the New York civil investigation of the Trump Organization's property valuations. Reportedly, Ivanka and Donald Jr. never took the 5th.
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mushboy
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made a public speech containing statements justifying terrorist activity
ouch. that would be like getting 5yrs if you speak in support of david koresh. what a wonderful country
Edited by mushboy (08/10/22 06:59 AM)
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Bigbadwooof
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] 1
#27896940 - 08/10/22 06:52 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: I can't believe Enlil made that comment.
It's typical falcon misrepresentation. My point was, is, and always has been, that forced speech is the most egregious infringement on the freedom of speech, and that requiring private companies to publish speech it disagrees with is forced speech.
Of course, Falcon thinks that anyone other than him should have to store, copy and disseminate whatever offensive, false, or otherwise unacceptable speech some random person might choose to post on anyone's property other than his own.
That's a good point, but because social media companies are companies, and not people, don't you think they ought to abide by their policy about which speech is permissible on their platform?
If their policy explicitly states that it not permissible to speak in a way that frames Ukraine in a negative light, then at least everyone would know the score.
It seems to me that social media platforms are a unique situation. The social media market itself provides the user with little more than a platform for speech.
I really just don't like the way that fb and other social media platforms censor users, without clearly stating censorable transgressions in the policy. They have done it to me, for talking about Trump being a draft dodger, etc.
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mushboy
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i think twitter being a PLATFORM, like shroomery, is the main issue to consider.
nobody is censoring speech imo just enforcing rules they are allowed. if you want to say something, and twitter doesnt let you, you could always text or call or talk in person?
i really dont understand why people care. its a platform to gossip. like, who really gives a fuck?
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Bigbadwooof
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I would rather travel to the places in question. I went to Crimea in 2017, and I'm going to Mariupol in about 3 years (when Russia estimates it will be rebuilt). It appears there will be another shroomery member going with me; you're welcome to come as well if discovering the truth doesn't scare you.
Aaaah! That would be funny. My mom has been to Ukraine, St Petersburg, Moscow, and Siberia. This is all back in the 90's, when it was much more dangerous to travel there. She speaks fluent Russian, and therefore, she can converse somewhat with Ukrainians also.
When she was in Russia, she ended up visiting an orphanage. She was just telling me about it the other day. It was a heart wrenching experience. When a child is born with a deformity, they are often unwanted, in Russia. They are often orphaned. She has a lot of sad stories to tell about it. That was 20+ years ago, though.
I used to work with a bunch of Ukrainians, and their humor was so strange to me. Anyway, I would be open to going for sure! Do you speak the language? You must to some degree. I wonder, what do you hope to learn from your trip? Do you support the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy] 2
#27896966 - 08/10/22 07:22 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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mushboy said: i think twitter being a PLATFORM, like shroomery, is the main issue to consider.
nobody is censoring speech imo just enforcing rules they are allowed. if you want to say something, and twitter doesnt let you, you could always text or call or talk in person?
i really dont understand why people care. its a platform to gossip. like, who really gives a fuck?
There's a lot of reason to care, actually. A phone call reaches one person, so does a text. A social media post can reach 10's of millions of people, potentially. People make money off social media, and I believe most people get their news from Social Media, so censoring what is and isn't allowed to be talked about, is almost akin to unelected officials censoring the news. We all see what happens when the news is censored in such a way.
Social Media is a modern day means of communication. It could be argued that, like the telephone, as long as you are paying your bill, you should be allowed to say what you like. You pay your bill on social media by allowing yourself to be subjectified to a constant barrage of advertisements. That's what they get out of it, and it pays quite well.
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mushboy
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not trying to be a dick but i think those are shitty reasons to prop up corporations.
you cant really saay what you like over the phone whered you get that idea?
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Enlil
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Bigbadwooof said:
That's a good point, but because social media companies are companies, and not people, don't you think they ought to abide by their policy about which speech is permissible on their platform?
If their policy explicitly states that it not permissible to speak in a way that frames Ukraine in a negative light, then at least everyone would know the score.
It seems to me that social media platforms are a unique situation. The social media market itself provides the user with little more than a platform for speech.
I really just don't like the way that fb and other social media platforms censor users, without clearly stating censorable transgressions in the policy. They have done it to me, for talking about Trump being a draft dodger, etc.
Companies aren't magical creatures. They're made up of people. When you post nazi propaganda on facebook, a human being pays other human beings to make servers copy that propaganda and send it to other people. Who are you to force those people to do that?
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#27896985 - 08/10/22 07:39 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
That's a good point, but because social media companies are companies, and not people, don't you think they ought to abide by their policy about which speech is permissible on their platform?
If their policy explicitly states that it not permissible to speak in a way that frames Ukraine in a negative light, then at least everyone would know the score.
It seems to me that social media platforms are a unique situation. The social media market itself provides the user with little more than a platform for speech.
I really just don't like the way that fb and other social media platforms censor users, without clearly stating censorable transgressions in the policy. They have done it to me, for talking about Trump being a draft dodger, etc.
Companies aren't magical creatures. They're made up of people. When you post nazi propaganda on facebook, a human being pays other human beings to make servers copy that propaganda and send it to other people. Who are you to force those people to do that?
I am nobody. Companies are, to the best of my estimation, magical creatures, so... -5 points.
I suppose I am of the belief that it should be explicitly stated in the policy, what is an is not allowed on a social media platform. YouTube and Facebook are often incredibly ambiguous on what is a censorable offense, and given the nature of their business, I think it is dangerous.
I don't like fringe organizations like the Proud Boys, spreading their message, and recruiting through social media. I certainly understand the reasons for wanting to deplatform them. It should be written in the policy that inciting violence is not permissible. Inciting violence isn't permissible by law though anyway, I don't think, is it?
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mushboy
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you cant call someone and say im going to kill you and not expect cops to knock on your door
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Bigbadwooof
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy]
#27897014 - 08/10/22 07:56 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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mushboy said: you cant call someone and say im going to kill you and not expect cops to knock on your door
I make all my death threats in person.
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mushboy
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exactly.
momma always told me dont put nothin in writting and never say anything over the phone.
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Bigbadwooof
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy]
#27897043 - 08/10/22 08:20 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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mushboy said: exactly.
momma always told me dont put nothin in writting and never say anything over the phone.

LoL
I have been known to post photographic evidence of my felonious enterprize on this website though.
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mushboy
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shroomery is different.
shroomery is better

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Brian Jones
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Brian Jones said: Eric Trump took the 5th over 500 times in his deposition on the New York civil investigation of the Trump Organization's property valuations. Reportedly, Ivanka and Donald Jr. never took the 5th.
Trump announced he will be taking the 5th at his deposition. I can say with reasonable certainty he is also taking Imodium.
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