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Anonymous #1
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The only real way to compare things is with money.
#27890141 - 08/04/22 05:46 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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You cant assign value to how smart you are. Intellect is not quantifiable. You could be super smart in one area and stupid in a million others. Or you could be decently smart in a million areas and not super smart in any. And everyone is variable on where they are smart. So you cant say Jim is smarter than Joe. No matter what metric you use.
You cant determine love. Or friendships and family. You cant even know if it is really love let alone put a measurable amount on it.
Age and health are variable of course. But where someone is at is personal. Its tied to your current trajectory. So you cant say youre better than someone 20 years older just because they will die first. They also had 20 years before you. Though you could compare and say youre better off than someone with cancer as a child. But in the general scheme if relative health and age you cant find something to compare.
I mean.... it really all just boils down to who has the most money. What entity is the most powerful monetarily. What value is Samoa when you compare a country in Europe?
Money of course is a thing you shouldnt seek. Because all it leads to is more want. But what else is there? What else can we do other than seek money? And how else do you compare two peoples without using money?
I suppose there is happiness. We just cant quantify it. But thats the point. How do you compare two peoples happiness? One says they are sad the other says they are happy? That doesnt REALLY work. You cant know how happy you are. And you definitely cant know how happy someone else is.
Its like..... if you cut off one of my fingers and I say "The pain is a 7 out of 10". And we cut off one of your fingers and you say "The pain is a 4 out of 10". Does that REALLY mean that you feel less pain? Its not possible to determine if your 4 is the same as my 7. Not only can we not determine the variance in pain we cant even determine the variance in the scale from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4...to 10.
~Signed a person with a lot of money.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#27890208 - 08/04/22 06:44 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said: ~Signed a person with a lot of money.
Lies.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#27890215 - 08/04/22 06:51 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Cognitive dissonance. By defining the undefinable you give it a metric. Reminds me of the people telling folks anyone can be a woman but refuse to define a woman even though they know they have a base understanding. You're being your own SJW to make yourself feel better that you are miserable.
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Anonymous #4
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #3]
#27890283 - 08/04/22 07:30 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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If someone's 4 and another is 7 for pain, it's not actually the pain that's being measured on it's own per say. It's measuring that individual's pain tolerance. A lot of topics you brought up varies between people and everyone measures it differently. It's subjective.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #3]
#27890285 - 08/04/22 07:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #3 said: Cognitive dissonance. By defining the undefinable you give it a metric. Reminds me of the people telling folks anyone can be a woman but refuse to define a woman even though they know they have a base understanding. You're being your own SJW to make yourself feel better that you are miserable.
Just because there are differences in intellect doesnt mean we can define who is "best" and who is "Worst" and anywhere in between.
It seems like in the reality we live in .... one of the only ways we can compare people and entities is by the wealth they have accumulated.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #4]
#27890288 - 08/04/22 07:35 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #4 said: If someone's 4 and another is 7 for pain, it's not actually the pain that's being measured on it's own per say. It's measuring that individual's pain tolerance. A lot of topics you brought up varies between people and everyone measures it differently. It's subjective.
Thats exactly my point. Everyone measures it differently. AND its subjective.
So not only is someone saying "im a 4 out of 10" and the other saying "im a 7 out of 10" and theres a difference between those numbers BUT ALSO we dont know what the numbers represent. What the scale is. What the variance between 1 and 2 is.
Its so far beyond being able to compare two different people its laughable. Its terrifying. To me its terrifying.
There is NOTHING but money.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27890292 - 08/04/22 07:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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And I'm thinking about this in ways other than individuals too.
For example think about what we define as truth as a society. Execution of drug dealers is crazy to most western people. Almost all western people. Its agreed that we shouldnt execute them.
But there are some countries which think the opposite. Drug dealers SHOULD be killed. And to them the west is crazy to not execute them.
Both societies have valid points for why what they think is best.... is best. But the thing that maintains the agreement is the power of the system and the power the system has on its people. And that power is just an extension of their wealth.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27890294 - 08/04/22 07:45 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I dunno. I'm just thinking about stuff. I think too much.
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Anonymous #5
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27890332 - 08/04/22 08:12 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said:
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Anonymous #3 said: Cognitive dissonance. By defining the undefinable you give it a metric. Reminds me of the people telling folks anyone can be a woman but refuse to define a woman even though they know they have a base understanding. You're being your own SJW to make yourself feel better that you are miserable.
Just because there are differences in intellect doesnt mean we can define who is "best" and who is "Worst" and anywhere in between.
It seems like in the reality we live in .... one of the only ways we can compare people and entities is by the wealth they have accumulated.
This is fallacy. There are plenty of people born with wealth who did zero to get it other than being born to the right family. Those same people if left to their own devices with no familial help to manage and build wealth could lose everything rapidly. In that scenario i don't think wealth is a good measure of value.
There are also instances where people come into large amounts of money through theft, dishonesty, violence, etc. These people may have money, but their value within society could be very little or even reversed, they are detrimental to the world and bring no true value aside from serving their own greed.
I would say that i have value within my family unit, at work, and within my friend circle even though i don't make much money. That value comes from the positive impact i have on other peoples lives, the memories created and the parts of myself that leave an imprint on their personalities. Most people hold the very same value as i do.
You want to know the true measure of value? If you were to die today, would you live on in the memory of the people closest to you? Would the interactions you have had throughout your life stick with them and help them in difficult times later in life? If you left them money odds are it would run out long before your memory fades and the parts of you that they loved and made part of themselves dissipated.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #5]
#27890363 - 08/04/22 08:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Car 1 has 1700hp, weighs 2500lbs.
Car 2 has 650hp, weighs 900.
More is more better right? Except car 2 is faster.
Jim Bob drives car 3. It's a piece of shit but it gets him where he needs to go, barely cost him any money and it's a Prius. Jim Bob will enjoy his car more than owners of car 1 and 2 no matter how hard they try to make him think otherwise. Jim Bob's shitty old car actually means something to him, and he will have memories in car 3 because you don't drive a supercar to the beach unless you're an asshole. You don't drive them down dirt roads or probably even work on them yourself. You don't need to take a Prius to the track. Jim Bob has figured it out, no one gives a fuck what you drive. They care way more about the guy inside it. That's why nice cars are nice to begin with. But shhhhh. Don't tell Ferrari.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #3]
#27890381 - 08/04/22 08:45 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #3 said: Car 1 has 1700hp, weighs 2500lbs.
Car 2 has 650hp, weighs 900.
More is more better right? Except car 2 is faster.
Jim Bob drives car 3. It's a piece of shit but it gets him where he needs to go, barely cost him any money and it's a Prius. Jim Bob will enjoy his car more than owners of car 1 and 2 no matter how hard they try to make him think otherwise. Jim Bob's shitty old car actually means something to him, and he will have memories in car 3 because you don't drive a supercar to the beach unless you're an asshole. You don't drive them down dirt roads or probably even work on them yourself. You don't need to take a Prius to the track. Jim Bob has figured it out, no one gives a fuck what you drive. They care way more about the guy inside it. That's why nice cars are nice to begin with. But shhhhh. Don't tell Ferrari.
If you had the money you would though.
Its like.... I dunno.
I think about this progression of the mind based off status. You hate the "wealthy" and you think they should give give give. But anyone who becomes wealthy doesnt give. They keep.
Its easy for the man with no power to say he would be righteous if he had power. But when you have the power you find out that you wouldnt be righteous.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27890386 - 08/04/22 08:47 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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But just because someone has 100 million dollars and drives a ferrari doesnt mean hes happier than someone driving a prius and working to feed the family.
Its not about who is happiest. Its about the only thing we can compare each other with. Because you cant determine happiness.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#27890396 - 08/04/22 08:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I guess the core concept here that I'm "struggling" with..... or whatever.....
Is: All we can do is refuse to care about other people and to just climb up the bloody ladder of capitalism and step atop the corpses of our enemies reaching ever higher with the goal being just around the corner but never obtained.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27890407 - 08/04/22 08:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Of course I understand that people value love and relationships and children and friends and good times.
But more and more I think its all just illusion and delusion. Self-imposed and also societally-imposed. People look for a way that they "won" even if they lost. Its easy to get friends and a family and find love. But the real winner is Bezzos. Its Musk. Its Gates. Its the Rockefellers.
Those are the people who are winning. Those are the people are creating actual impact. Who are moving mountains.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27890434 - 08/04/22 09:18 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said: People look for a way that they "won" even if they lost. Its easy to get friends and a family and find love. But the real winner is Bezzos. Its Musk. Its Gates. Its the Rockefellers.
That's your view. Other people have different views, yours is no more important or correct than theirs. Some might not even see life as a competition.
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Those are the people who are winning. Those are the people are creating actual impact. Who are moving mountains.
Only if you value money. I know plenty of wealthy people who are miserable and don't give a shit about money, and who don't rank others based on it. I'm sure there are other people who do, but one group is not more correct than the other.
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Anonymous #6
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Re: The only real way to compare things is with money. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27891835 - 08/05/22 08:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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This is a very interesting thread
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