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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27883232 - 07/30/22 06:07 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Good insight Pasty, thank-you. I too sometimes forget to take the scientific studies with a bit more of a grain of salt, since as you mentioned, those who are conducting the study might not take into account important details that cultivators have learned by being involved for many years.

Just surprising and kind of shocking that there was such a drop in compounds/potency in 15 months. I wish they had gone more into the details of how they stored it though - Might have missed something, but I think they just mentioned zip-lock bags but seemed unspecific.

I'm thinking that it's possible that they could have achieved different results by taking into account - simple things like making sure the samples are absolutely cracker dry, storing with a desiccant, using a more stable container than zip-locks, etc. I'm not sure though - Maybe they really do lose 3/4 of there potency within a year, doesn't align with all my findings... hmmm


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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: mistermushly]
    #27883234 - 07/30/22 06:09 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Yes I agree it’s not in alignment with my experience either. Lots not mentioned. The amount of control it takes to execute something like this well is very high. It’s no shade to those attempting it but good science must be repeatable. I would like to see more attempts on this for sure.


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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27883297 - 07/30/22 06:49 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Thinking about the study a bit more... If you just let the fruits dry out in room temperature as they did, it's very possible that  they never totally dried out, unless the humidity is extremely low, which they didn't mention.

I have learned this by taking previously dried (from the dehydrator) fruits out of storage and leaving them on the counter for a few days -  they noticeably "bend" more instead of breaking which means they inevitably took on quite a bit of oxygen/moisture from the air around them. Should be noted that the environment I am in is less humid than most, as well.. also I wonder how much potency they lose sitting around at room temperature for days "drying" out, instead of a matter of hours at 71c in the dehydrator.

Not sure how fine a powder you could get by using a mortar and pestle as they did in the study. (I suppose it's standard, but sounds archaic - lol ) - My guess is that their "dried" samples weren't COMPLETELY dry.


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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: mistermushly]
    #27883329 - 07/30/22 07:16 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Yes mortar and pestle is a pretty poor way of grinding. Lots of issues to be picked apart in that study for sure. Improperly dried fruits are definitely an issue and ground fruit will absorb moisture even more readily than whole fruit will.


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Re: Temps and Potential [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27895729 - 08/09/22 11:07 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

APE all the way. Way more visual then other cubes like EQ. EQ is the only other strain I grew to compare with. It was way stronger. It is chronic fungus.


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Re: Temps and Potential [Re: PeyoteBoy]
    #27895799 - 08/09/22 12:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Many classic varieties like EQ were poorly domesticated with fruit size or spore production as the only real metrics being sought after. Due to the difficulties in quantifying potency it’s oft been ignored meaning many variants have been stabilized randomly in regards to that metric. However with careful isolation you should be able to find potent genetics in most varieties.


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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27924034 - 08/29/22 12:39 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Thank you for the post it definitely helped me out to wrap my mind around the whole potency subject, great work.


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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: mistermushly]
    #27925058 - 08/30/22 12:35 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Good insight Pasty, thank-you. I too sometimes forget to take the scientific studies with a bit more of a grain of salt, since as you mentioned, those who are conducting the study might not take into account important details that cultivators have learned by being involved for many years.

Just surprising and kind of shocking that there was such a drop in compounds/potency in 15 months. I wish they had gone more into the details of how they stored it though - Might have missed something, but I think they just mentioned zip-lock bags but seemed unspecific.

I'm thinking that it's possible that they could have achieved different results by taking into account - simple things like making sure the samples are absolutely cracker dry, storing with a desiccant, using a more stable container than zip-locks, etc. I'm not sure though - Maybe they really do lose 3/4 of there potency within a year, doesn't align with all my findings... hmmm




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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27926497 - 08/30/22 08:23 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Stored properly psilocybin won't degrade. That is void of air, moisture and light. Room temperature has shown to be best for preservation. They can last indefinitely, for instance vac sealed with desiccant, stored in a dark place in room temp


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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27933750 - 09/04/22 02:25 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

People dramatically underestimate the variation in potency. Good post!


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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #28158093 - 01/26/23 09:56 AM (1 year, 2 days ago)

I've found drying on a furnace and later freezing the product works well.  Still good 6-8 months later


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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: bonowzo]
    #28158443 - 01/26/23 02:07 PM (1 year, 2 days ago)

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I've found drying on a furnace and later freezing the product works well.  Still good 6-8 months later




That’s interesting cause I’ve seen studies that indicate that freezing temps can actually degrade actives faster than room temp.


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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #28507178 - 10/16/23 05:30 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

hmm interesting.
do you have any links to some of those studies?

im trying so save as much scientific data regarding actives as possible


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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: soppos]
    #28507774 - 10/17/23 06:36 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)



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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: SeaSalt]
    #28508861 - 10/17/23 11:26 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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Both of us require higher doses than those who aren't prescribed any anti-depressants or anti-seizure medication.



It's worth noting that while in this case the meds would play a large part, effects can be highly variable among people not medicated for anything and on exactly the same dose of extracted or synthesised psychedelics. Some people naturally have at least 2x the tolerance of others, mentally and/or visually.


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