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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Enjoil]
#27878526 - 07/26/22 09:15 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Enjoil said: It’s coco so don’t treat it like soil. You want to give them less water more often… it takes some dialing in. It’s nice because you can feed every time and give them exactly what you want… I like the foxfarm cocoloco stuff but I used to use the bricks and they’re kind of a pain to prepare…
Did you soak the coco with calmag?
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You will find your groove bro. Check out the coco loco…and use the cal-mag.
I know I’m crazy now! Who would of thought to smash the dank buds! When I see a beautiful nugget all I can think about is “ I wonder what I can squeeze outta it!”
Thanks bro! She’s precious, just takes forever to finish!
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Enjoil] 1
#27881422 - 07/29/22 07:46 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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My plant outgrew my garbage can space bucket. I had to come up with a way to make it taller. You guys will probably get a laugh out of my goofy ass setup. Basically everything was purchased from Walmart.
Edit: Also I've got a fungus gnat issue I've been ignoring. Starting to see quite a few flying around in there. Anyone have any advice on dealing with that? I was thinking about trying mosquito bits.
 
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Your doing it great job it seems. Your plant looks good and healthy. Try letting your pot dry up a bit before you water and the fungus gnats should be as bad. The larva live in the top couple inches of wet soil. So if it's dry they got no where to reproduce. It should help. Neem oil in the soil or diatomaceous earth helps on top the soil too.
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Hobbit GDF said: Your doing it great job it seems. Your plant looks good and healthy. Try letting your pot dry up a bit before you water and the fungus gnats should be as bad. The larva live in the top couple inches of wet soil. So if it's dry they got no where to reproduce. It should help. Neem oil in the soil or diatomaceous earth helps on top the soil too.
Nice I think I will try the diatomaceous earth since I already got a bag of it. Thanks for the kind words.
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An alternative to DE is a beneficial insect called stratiollaelaps scimitus that is very effective against gnats. It also lives in the top soil and preys on gnat eggs and larvae. Sticky traps or vacuuming for the fliers. You gotta attack each stage of the life cycle or they'll just keep reproducing. Make sure to throw the soil out when the plant is done, don't leave any soggy soil around for them to lay new eggs in.
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PizzaWizard said: My plant outgrew my garbage can space bucket. I had to come up with a way to make it taller. You guys will probably get a laugh out of my goofy ass setup. Basically everything was purchased from Walmart.
Edit: Also I've got a fungus gnat issue I've been ignoring. Starting to see quite a few flying around in there. Anyone have any advice on dealing with that? I was thinking about trying mosquito bits.
  
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Icon] 1
#27881496 - 07/29/22 09:10 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going to have to disagree with diatomaceous earth. It might kill a couple of adults, but you want to cut off the larva lifecycle.
Use a BT drench in the soil to get rid of them. BT is a bacteria found naturally in soil that kills soft bodied larva when used in concentration. It's the active ingredient in mosquito dunks. You can make a cheap drench by buying some mosquito dunks and crumbling one into a gallon or two of water, or you can buy concentrated mixes in the garden departments of most stores. Make sure to thouroughly drench the soil with your bt mix, it has to soak into every bit.
That kills them off for me. Also make sure your air intake is screened off/filtered so more don't make it back in. They will start to disappear as the larva die off.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LotKid]
#27881497 - 07/29/22 09:11 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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PizzaWizard said: My plant outgrew my garbage can space bucket. I had to come up with a way to make it taller. You guys will probably get a laugh out of my goofy ass setup. Basically everything was purchased from Walmart.
Edit: Also I've got a fungus gnat issue I've been ignoring. Starting to see quite a few flying around in there. Anyone have any advice on dealing with that? I was thinking about trying mosquito bits.
  
Thats wild 
Reminds me of all the r2d2 and dub-tub setups from back in the day on overgrow.
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In addition to DE, which is great to use against many insects, watering with a little hydrogen peroxide helps as well.
The peroxide helps in two ways: kills unwanted fungus that the gnats are feeding on (it can also kill/harm potentially beneficial microbes, though), and kills the gnat larvae.
A 1:4 (peroxide:water) ratio is a good place to start. As also advised, let the top couple of inches dry out first.
Using a little peroxide also has the added benefit of oxygenating the roots.
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I go with mosquito dunks and bits. I wouldnt use peroxide
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diatomaceous earth Has to be reapplied after it gets wet…. I’d say you should defoliate a little bit and spray a garden spray and get those yellow sticky traps. Damn bugs! I like the organocide 3 in 1 stuff…. Nobody ever listens to me though. Lol
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LotKid]
#27881542 - 07/29/22 09:55 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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diatomaceous earth always works well for me with the larva
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LotKid]
#27881556 - 07/29/22 10:12 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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There's pros and cons to both 
The BTI will kill the larvae once they begin feeding on it, but it won't reduce any existing fungus that the gnats may be feeding on. Some research even points to fungus gnats seeking out soil with microbial/fungal activity, as well as them being vectors for other pathogens like fusarium.
Peroxide will kill the larvae on contact, oxygenate the soil, and reduce the fungal food source, but will also impact the rhizosphere, depending on amount and concentration used.
Either way, I think we can all agree that prevention is the best course of action, which is why IPM is so crucial. Sometimes pests can be managed through simple means, such as watering less frequently and ensuring adequate air flow so that the top of the soil doesn't stay wet for too long.
I'm all for BTI, but the gnats are a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
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ElVatoFirme said: There's pros and cons to both 
The BTI will kill the larvae once they begin feeding on it, but it won't reduce any existing fungus that the gnats may be feeding on. Some research even points to fungus gnats seeking out soil with microbial/fungal activity, as well as them being vectors for other pathogens like fusarium.
Peroxide will kill the larvae on contact, oxygenate the soil, and reduce the fungal food source, but will also impact the rhizosphere, depending on amount and concentration used.
Either way, I think we can all agree that prevention is the best course of action, which is why IPM is so crucial. Sometimes pests can be managed through simple means, such as watering less frequently and ensuring adequate air flow so that the top of the soil doesn't stay wet for too long.
I'm all for BTI, but the gnats are a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
I'm not dumping hydrogen peroxide in my root zone. The fungus present in my soil is there intentionally, as are the rest of the microbes. Regular use of BT in waterings or soil mixes is a part of IPM and will not harm your microflora. If you're growing in a soilless medium and do not have microbes to worry about then go for it.
Gnats are the problem themselves. That's why you treat with BT and eliminate the population before it has a chance to grow to adulthood and breed. Yes this means you will have to treat a few times, but it wipes out the population completely.
Future prevention should include finding where they are getting in, or seeing if they are already present in the potting soil you purchased for them.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Mr Piggy]
#27881583 - 07/29/22 10:36 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the tips. I probably will get the mosquito bits then after all.
As far as how they got in there, I'm using fox farms ocean forest which I have read fungus gnats are pretty commonly in the soil already. So that would explain it.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Mr Piggy]
#27881586 - 07/29/22 10:38 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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ElVatoFirme said: There's pros and cons to both 
The BTI will kill the larvae once they begin feeding on it, but it won't reduce any existing fungus that the gnats may be feeding on. Some research even points to fungus gnats seeking out soil with microbial/fungal activity, as well as them being vectors for other pathogens like fusarium.
Peroxide will kill the larvae on contact, oxygenate the soil, and reduce the fungal food source, but will also impact the rhizosphere, depending on amount and concentration used.
Either way, I think we can all agree that prevention is the best course of action, which is why IPM is so crucial. Sometimes pests can be managed through simple means, such as watering less frequently and ensuring adequate air flow so that the top of the soil doesn't stay wet for too long.
I'm all for BTI, but the gnats are a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
I'm not dumping hydrogen peroxide in my root zone. The fungus present in my soil is there intentionally, as are the rest of the microbes. Regular use of BT in waterings or soil mixes is a part of IPM and will not harm your microflora. If you're growing in a soilless medium and do not have microbes to worry about then go for it.
Gnats are the problem themselves. That's why you treat with BT and eliminate the population before it has a chance to grow to adulthood and breed. Yes this means you will have to treat a few times, but it wipes out the population completely.
Future prevention should include finding where they are getting in, or seeing if they are already present in the potting soil you purchased for them.
Are gnats a problem? Yes.
But the real problem is whatever is attracting them in the first place, which most of the time is overwatering or soil that isn't drying out quick enough, both of which lead to a proliferation of fungus/pathogens that the gnats feed on.
Fungus gnats are attracted to particular conditions, and if you can prevent those conditions, you can prevent fungus gnats. They could get into your growspace all they want, if they don't find a suitable habitat then they won't make a home there.
Also, if used properly, peroxide won't completely eliminate all of your beneficial microbes/mycorrhizae. The key is using it properly.
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I don't even consider gnats a problem, just an annoyance. You could do nothing and the plants will be fine. And just tossing out the soil when done solves the problem for the future (in addition to preventing the wet soil conditions in the first place). Y'all are sleepin' on the beneficial insects tho; when else do you get the opportunity to hire an army and wage insectoid warfare. It's more fun than a drench.
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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Icon]
#27882007 - 07/29/22 04:48 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Word. Some Stenernema feltiae or rove beetles would work. I recommended peroxide because it's cheap, is easily found, and it works.
Like I said earlier, prevention is most important. Fungus gnats indicate there's a problem, which is overwatering and/or the soil is taking too long to dry out (which could be a drainage issue when growing in a pot). Don't overwater, let the top 2" or more dry out between waterings, and then they won't even appear.
Focusing on the fungus gnats and not what caused them to make a home in your soil is a lot like getting sick and focusing on getting rid of your fever. You have a fever because your sick, you're not sick because you have a fever. The gnats are a symptom of something wrong.
Fungus gnats can also be more than an annoyance. They can carry pathogens, like fusarium, and damage roots/root hairs.
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There's an inherent fear of peroxide around this site. Especially on the mushroom side. I just see it as another tool in the arsenal. It has it's place and time for both sides. Although, I wouldn't say I use it often around here. Even Dunks are seasonal really. Or a result of slack rushing. I would echo the conditions factor. Mostly because I like to preach "Pick up your pots!"
 Not saying I always do. Dunks work great for me and my unruly system though. Oh, and gnat larvae damage is easy to confuse with other basic and common ailments. Back to the podium.. "Check your roots!"

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