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KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM * 7
    #27875155 - 07/24/22 09:48 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

As of late, this forum has become a wild and lawless hellhole of personal attacks, fallacious arguments, and general nastiness. 

This has to stop.

There can be no rational debate without some underlying respect for each other and their positions, and we undermine that respect when we reduce others to whatever arbitrary label we've chosen.  We have always run this forum from the core values of respect, dignity, and reason.  All of us have slowly let this place creep into something more akin to reddit than the Shroomery Political Discussion forum, and for that, I apologize.

I apologize that I let it go so long.  I apologize that I did not recognize the erosion of our core values until it was far too late.  I apologize that after recognizing it, I was weak and chose to participate instead of remediate. 

Today, I temporarily banned Falcon91wolvrn03 and Kryptos, not because they are the worst offenders, but because they happened to be the straws that broke this camel's back.  Each of us needs to look at our part in making this place what it is, and try to get back to where we want to be.  I trust most of you will do the right thing, but I also suspect that some more bannings, perhaps permanent ones, will be on the horizon very soon if things don't change.

This isn't the thread to bash other members.  My ban button is still warm, and muscle memory alone might move a finger to it if anyone pushes me.


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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: Enlil] * 3
    #27875303 - 07/24/22 12:15 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I would like to acknowledge and apologize for my own part in contributing to the decline in civility we've seen in the forum.  Obviously, When the mods (me) start acting nasty (regardless of what they may feel are compelling reasons) the example set thereby ends up translating to members' expectations and understanding of what kind of conduct is acceptable or not.  This is a place for reasoned discussion, not petty squabbles.  Let's all try to be better to each other, please.


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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27876046 - 07/25/22 12:05 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Apologies accepted.
But if I have to warn you pair one more time...

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: Stable Genius] * 5
    #27877660 - 07/26/22 09:30 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Lurked here for awhile and contribute on occasions. Noticed the above for a decent period of time.

You know, this forum is a unique little corner of the internet....not to many places where blue dog democrats, anarchists, communists, etc engage in debate. Learned alot here over the years.

Mods not having hubris about this issue should tell everyone something. This is a great place, let's make it better.


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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #27877821 - 07/26/22 11:41 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

It's never easy being the authority figure in a place like this. Especially not when most of the time we are limited to maybe 30 regular posters. We know each others style by this point. Many of us have been here for years (can't believe I've been here for 5). You get use to it, and that means you let things slide that are probably not normal or friendly to new posters. I am a mod for various communities (one of which is fairly close to home here). It's not fun being the bad guy even if you are trying to do what is best for the community.


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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM *DELETED* [Re: christopera] * 1
    #27878625 - 07/26/22 11:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Post deleted by Enlil

Reason for deletion: another ban winner

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: Yeatster]
    #27878683 - 07/27/22 12:41 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I personally disagree with these bans at this time. Targeting these specific members in an attempt to make an example of seems unfair. I think there needs to be more transparency and fairness in shroomery.org moddership. Maybe enlil or someone should fact check everypost for disinformation and rule breaking and add little asterisk addendums warning users of misinformation and wrong doing and how these views and opinions are separate of that of shroomery.org/forums. I mean whats fair is fair. :shrug:

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27878903 - 07/27/22 07:56 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

examine officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it

you mean censor people?

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: Yeatster] * 1
    #27879672 - 07/27/22 06:55 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Yeatster said:
The fact that falcon got a ban is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Unless you put your blinders on and only see the last few pages. Falcon has been super respectful in spite of being attacked by multiple posters spewing more hateful shit than Falcons typical "you're a poopy head"





:thumbup:

Yeah I feel the same in regards Falcon. It's like he got blamed for other people loosing their shit.

He's by far the most tolerant poster here and has a unique style of debating which I really like :shrug:

poopy head :lol: cracks me up

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27879685 - 07/27/22 07:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Quote:

CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Maybe enlil or someone should fact check everypost for disinformation and rule breaking and add little asterisk addendums warning users of misinformation and wrong doing and how these views and opinions are yada yada yada




I nominate CHeifM4sterDiezl to perform the above duties. All in favour say +1

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27879733 - 07/27/22 07:52 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

It has to be a mod and enlil is most qualified and basically already volunteered by making a big deal put of this.

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27879735 - 07/27/22 07:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Or i can just ban you.  Problem solved.


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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: Enlil]
    #27880191 - 07/28/22 08:57 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Problem not solve. Your just trying to pass the buck when clearly were just going to keep bumping into this over and over with more amd more disgruntled members attacking the site with yogihotel attacks and other troll puppets. Everyone knows Enlil fact checking everypost is the only fair way around this issue. Thats it end of story. :sadyes:

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27882293 - 07/29/22 09:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Put it to a vote.  :goodmorning:


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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27882307 - 07/29/22 09:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

We all know how inaccurate and unfair internet polling and voting can be. I mean how many times have we seen misleading polls with deceptive wording used to misrepresent things. Well never be able to get everyone on the same page to a agree to the verbage and terms of a poll. We cant make everyone happy but we can at least set this straight. Enlil admitted he's sorry he let things get out of hand but refuses to put in the effort to change things and jsut wants to continue banning people and stuff. He just has to step up to the plate here and do the right thing and fact check every post or whatever. I mean whats right is right.

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #27882331 - 07/29/22 10:38 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Or a person could try not using the words you , you are , your  and maybe not calling people out by name  to make their  point .


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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27882357 - 07/30/22 12:16 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You people are constantly being hyper critical. It's a manifestation of our fractured modern society. We can no longer shy away from it we must face it together. What were talking about is the future of our beloved shroomery.org. sure we like to jabber jaw and go tit for tat but at the end of the day we're living in a dream ythan had all those years ago. A dream of a progressive fact forward digital internet community. Thru the year the tenets of scientific fact, demystifying truths, and free and fair sharing of ideas on an open forum have held steadfast against the ever growing torrent of internet trolls and post shittery. As a community it's important in times like these to go back the mycelial roots that allowed shroomery to grow strong and flourish. Start a new chapter in the great dream of shroomery.org/forums. If we all pull together as a community we can force enlil to fact check every post and do what's right. Look I don't want to seem like I'm coming down on enlil for almost ruining the site with lazy and petty moddership. I'm just tossing around ideas for the betterment of shroomery.org. we cant just ban everyone and throw away the whole shroomery then the cyber terrorist win. We have to fix this.

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27882379 - 07/30/22 12:44 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

:moralsupport:


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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #27882391 - 07/30/22 01:14 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

No, no. I think you're on to something there. Ban everyone, problem solved.


I just want to point out, no one wins these arguments. We always wind up going in circles with folks digging their heels in more and more. Picking a team to attack rather than exploring ideas. When it devolves into games of "quote the post where I said x" these threads become entirely pointless and insufferable.

Discussions on the other hand are fruitful, interesting, and engaging.

What's the difference? It's really just a matter of perspective and intent of each poster. Hard thing to force on people, but maybe we all just need a reminder.

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Re: KRYPTOS AND FALCON91WOLVRN03 HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THIS FORUM [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #27882451 - 07/30/22 04:19 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Yeah

Quote:

Enlil said:
As of late, this forum has become a wild and lawless hellhole of personal attacks, fallacious arguments, and general nastiness. 

This has to stop.

There can be no rational debate without some underlying respect for each other and their positions, and we undermine that respect when we reduce others to whatever arbitrary label we've chosen.  We have always run this forum from the core values of respect, dignity, and reason.  All of us have slowly let this place creep into something more akin to reddit than the Shroomery Political Discussion forum, and for that, I apologize.

I apologize that I let it go so long.  I apologize that I did not recognize the erosion of our core values until it was far too late.  I apologize that after recognizing it, I was weak and chose to participate instead of remediate. 

Today, I temporarily banned Falcon91wolvrn03 and Kryptos, not because they are the worst offenders, but because they happened to be the straws that broke this camel's back.  Each of us needs to look at our part in making this place what it is, and try to get back to where we want to be.




Even though I feel Falcon got ripped off I sort of get the reasoning behind it and also think that's a solid post from Enlil as well as ballsalsa.

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