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DoctorBenway
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MysticMycologist said: The experience is also very unique. Really hard to beat, and can make cubes seem harsh and synthetic in way, when compared.
So far ive only tried 1g of tissue that encased a set of brf cakes which sat invitro 2 months due to schedule, even at that it had a pronounced empathogenic feel that cubensis has never had for me, its was definitely euphoric and overall uplifting experience way more than we had expected to feel off of that little bit. Very soon ill have fruits to report on!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Rotnpins] 3
#27872693 - 07/22/22 10:23 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Rotnpins said: ...but I probably should have jumped on these right away, especially with the warm weather giving me issues.
I had 6 tubs going in the fruiting room past few weeks. 5 of 6 of them were nats, the 6th a cool MVP/AMAK cross I was trying but no longer care about because...nats 
I had learned to run an ac unit in there during summer heat waves as cubes can't handle 85-90+ faranheit in that room, but decided to not turn it on the past few weeks as a previous kitchen (waiting to be thrown out) tub of nats went 5 or 6 flushes in a HOT ass kitchen.
Long story short...5 of 6 tubs in my now non ac'd fruiting room fruited. The only tub that took a nose dive and start pissing metabolites was the 1 tub of cubensis.
Nats. They'll save you money on your electric bill.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77]
#27872694 - 07/22/22 10:24 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: Currently running some side by side tubs of Nats using hpoo vs coir just for the sake of the community experience.
1.5 qts spawn to 4 qts hpoo verm / coir verm. 1.5 - 2 " top layer of cv at spawn.
Coir verm

Hpoo verm

thank you, i am very interested to see how this turns out. 👍🏼
I'm interested as well. Hopefully I only have a couple weeks before I spawn mine to bulk and it would be great to know which is better.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Bigworm] 1
#27872802 - 07/22/22 12:03 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I know I'm probably going to get some fun answers for this but I'm just starting to learn about Natalensis. Are there different varieties or "strains" of them like cubes, or are they just what they are?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Bigworm] 5
#27872816 - 07/22/22 12:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Oh they're coming Bigworm 
I think it's just a little too early in the game with these guys yet to have anything super stabilized. A.k.a. has some dope ass short fat boys he's working with. There's snakes, Oompa Loompa looking mother fuckers, regular pheno's, I've seen some really thick caps from others as well.
Not sure if this is a thing- I think Adas's last haul looked similar- but I just cloned some green eyed snakes today. Super excited to see if I can get the pheno to stick- been my favorite so far
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Mycelium Juice said: Oh they're coming Bigworm 
I think it's just a little too early in the game with these guys yet to have anything super stabilized. A.k.a. has some dope ass short fat boys he's working with. There's snakes, Oompa Loompa looking mother fuckers, regular pheno's, I've seen some really thick caps from others as well.
Not sure if this is a thing- I think Adas's last haul looked similar- but I just cloned some green eyed snakes today. Super excited to see if I can get the pheno to stick- been my favorite so far

Those are really cool
They look a lot like phobos
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MysticMycologist said: The experience is also very unique. Really hard to beat, and can make cubes seem harsh and synthetic in way, when compared.
Also- I 100% agree with MM on this one. I just spent the past few weeks microdosing some APE's to test the difference- which I always loved because they definitely tickle the ceiling and you can tell the pipes are getting cleaned...
BUT I took .8 grams of nats last night and 100% have a cleaner clearer head today off nats then ape. It's noticeable. Like seriously. Cubes are junk. Couldn't have said it better myself MysticMycologist 
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Those green eyed snakes look really cool and I agree with rotnpins they look like Phobos. I was just wondering if I needed to start gathering up different spores of these or if what I had so far was it. I'm really looking forward to comparing them to cubes. Mine are colonizing grain now so hopefully it won't be long. The myc seems super aggressive. I dropped 2 pieces of agar while inoculating my grains. To be on the safe side I didn't add them to the grain but I put them back in the plate to see how clean my SAB is. Not a spec of contam just crazy Nat myc jumping from the pieces to the agar I didn't use. Not to mention the growth almost doubled in 24 hours after cutting and dropping them.
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san pedro guy said: anyone else micro dose fresh?
I do and nats are much more bitter than cubes. To me cubes are pretty close in taste to regular mushrooms but these nats are bitter!
On a micro note: That one hit a little stronger than normal, plus I had a nice little glow effect =D
I ate 7 g fresh just to see and compare to dried and tea (no difference for any).
They taste too weird for me after the first couple, and it throws off the taste of the crackers I'm using to defuse it. Dried they're just munchy with a slight aftertaste of "ehhw" but the crackers take care of that and then it's down the hatch, and a half hour later with half a gram on an empty stomach I'm all golden. Mini-dosing journal.
Today's pic of the frontrunners in the bulk race, ready to get spawned:

Should be giving me ample of the desired phenos to select from plus I've got a direct clone on agar of 2nd generation "Wavy" cap, maybe even a "doff yer wavy cap MF" as in this pic (close side).

With all the people working on Nat varieties there's bound to be a lot of interesting stuff coming out. I haven't had anything from them yet that wasn't top drawer potency, unlike how cubes tend to be.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PrimalSoup] 1
#27873921 - 07/23/22 09:28 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Spawned 3 jars into a mono and another jar into a shoebox, both 1:3.
None of my mycelium looked like the gnarly shit I’ve been seeing from you guys here though. I’ll circle back once tubs are fully colonized, see if the wild overlay hits me
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fellow natalensites
whats your take on these "crumbs" of overlay. some looks like cauliflower or brain and the other more like filamentous brocoli. some is bruising more vlue than the rest.. is the filament kind "just" mycelium and only the brain (solid) kind really active (almost mushroom)?
trying to understand. do you leave this after first flush or harvest it all?
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Adrenognome said: So when is natalensis going to replace golden teachers for all the first timers? Absolutely needs to be the first grow for noobs
100% agree with this in that it should be the new starting point for aspiring cultivators for 3 main reasons. 1. Its a very forgiving species both in intoxication and cultivation, gives a new cultivator time to learn sterile technique while it devour contams pushing out flushes in respose.
2. Its a genetic warehouse full of new things to be found and developed encouraging new cultivators to try new things and see results.
3. Patience, this species will certainly teach one to be patient and wait things out.
Also, cultivating these is very artistic in a way that ive never experienced with other species, if that dont grab ones interest idk, this prolly aint the hobby you're looking for.... move along.
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I think soon for shits n giggles (and to appease the redit crowd) i might knock up some fruity pebbles and case with orbeez just to show how crazy these things are!
OK, I'm convinced. I want these to be my first grow. By the time they get here I'll have supplies and setup ready. So to be clear, Psilocybe Natalensis-Natal Super Strain is what ya'll are discussing here, right?
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Natalensis is not natal super strength, don't confuse the 2.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27874064 - 07/23/22 11:32 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: Natalensis is not natal super strength, don't confuse the 2.
Well I was confused. It's why I asked. Thanks for clearing that up. I'll do a search. A certain large spore vendor calls them 'Psilocybe natalensis : Natal Super Strain' to be exact, so all the dif names floating around is confusing. Super Strain/Super Strength sounds good to me. Why wouldn't a noob or anyone else for that matter not want the super dupers?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77]
#27874075 - 07/23/22 11:47 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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chris77 said: fellow natalensites
whats your take on these "crumbs" of overlay. some looks like cauliflower or brain and the other more like filamentous brocoli. some is bruising more vlue than the rest.. is the filament kind "just" mycelium and only the brain (solid) kind really active (almost mushroom)?
trying to understand. do you leave this after first flush or harvest it all?

The "overlay" tissue i ingested formed invitro on brf cakes, encasing the entire cake, fairly certain it forms the same whether its flat skin tissue or blobs balls its woven rhizo and likely all active. In the name of science i recommend you conduct testing!
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DERRAYLD said: Natalensis is not natal super strength, don't confuse the 2.
Well I was confused. It's why I asked. Thanks for clearing that up. I'll do a search. A certain large spore vendor calls them 'Psilocybe natalensis : Natal Super Strain' to be exact, so all the dif names floating around is confusing. Super Strain/Super Strength sounds good to me. Why wouldn't a noob or anyone else for that matter not want the super dupers?
Some vendors just want your money. Look for a giveaway in the marketplace if you have access. If not maybe someone on here can send you a print or swab. Are you versed in agar?
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#27874080 - 07/23/22 11:50 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: Natalensis is not natal super strength, don't confuse the 2.
Iirc the material A Rockefeller did dna sequencing for was NSS mislabeled as a cubensis var. Turned out both p. Natalensis and NSS (both i believe originally distributed by the same south african vendor) were the same new species... i acquired spores labeled as P. Natalensis:Natal Super Strain from a large vendor on this forum... working with it i can say it has all the characteristics of what many are cultivating shown throughout this thread. If anyone wants more info on which vendor feel free to pm me.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Bigworm] 2
#27874091 - 07/23/22 12:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Natal super strength is what was labeled as a variety of cubes since it basically grows like cubes. Someone, somewhere down the line mistook psilocybe natalensis for cubensis and labeled it as a new variety called “natal super strength” because it grew with the same parameters as cubes but was more potent. Alan did a sequence on fruits called “natal super strength” and confirmed it was a different species.
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DoctorBenway said:
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DERRAYLD said: Natalensis is not natal super strength, don't confuse the 2.
Iirc the material A Rockefeller did dna sequencing for was NSS mislabeled as a cubensis var. Turned out both p. Natalensis and NSS were the same new species
I kind of thought so. I think Super Strain may be a reference to the disease resistence.
Someone should clear up this naming issue on post 1 of this thread. In trying to figure out what you guys were talking about I've seen all these names: natalensis, cubensis var. natal, Natal Super Strength, Natal Super Strain, Nats, and Nats2.
So I think my earlier referenced vendor is the right strain/specis. I'll order some. I trust that vendor and the money is not an issue.
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id say we can differentiate them now, tho id like to see more of the cube super strength natalensis growth, how do these look like/act?
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