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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Melgo] * 2
    #27861990 - 07/14/22 02:35 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27856915#27856915

4g x 2 in a 4 - 6 hr space

First dose was 20 minute soaked tea, second dose was 10 minute soaked tea with lemon juice added.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: DERRAYLD] * 2
    #27861992 - 07/14/22 02:49 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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I love mushrooms but situations in my life sometimes make me focus on the past and I get stuck in negativity, Nats just never do this, I never get stuck in a negative or concerning loop, it's just bliss and amazing visuals.





I can relate to this, I find the same thing. With 5g nats I was able to just sit outside in nature and BE there in the present, where with cubes I always seem to get stuck in thought loops, whether positive or negative.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Fridgedoor] * 4
    #27861997 - 07/14/22 03:04 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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I don't know if it's because I usually alternate taking Natalensis and DMT (I.e. one weekend DMT and the next natalensis tea), but a strong Natalensis dose reminds me a lot of the places I go while on DMT. Anybody else?




Since I discovered the DMT space, I've never since been able to NOT go there with higher doses of cubes. It's almost identical what I see with closed eyes, the same morphing Aztec/Mayan type of faces and the same sounds, even the same entity present as when I do DMT.

I found the opposite with nats though, to me they're much more body focused and don't seem to try and teleport me to the DMT realm.  That's why I like them, it's more like I remember tripping used to be when I was younger, more fun and less intense/serious. Even the closed eye visuals, faces are different, softer/more gentle. Hard to describe but it's like a different mushroom spirit.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Forrester] * 2
    #27861999 - 07/14/22 03:14 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

That's interesting that you have made a similar observation Forrester, though not with Natalensis.
I think, if I would still do higher doses of mushrooms, it might get too serious for me too. But I found my golden spot at 2 grams, which gets me just to the borderlands of serious territory. It's very enjoyable most of the time, but if I want to go further I prefer DMT itself.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Fridgedoor] * 2
    #27862024 - 07/14/22 04:30 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Yeah, DMT itself is definitely a lot less of a commitment with the time frame and all! 

That's why I like nats though, I'm afraid to go over 4g with cubes but I wouldn't hesitate to do 6 or so with nats, in fact I may just do so when I get back from vacation.

I might try it how DERRAYLD did though with half the dose first, then another half after I get a feeling of how strong it's gonna be in case the initial dose is stronger than I thought.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Forrester]
    #27862044 - 07/14/22 05:15 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

:takingnotes:
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77] * 5
    #27862214 - 07/14/22 08:53 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I find Nats very comfortable compared to cubes. Less rumination and chaotic thoughts, and with very pleasurable body sensations. Even at high doses It seems easier to be present and stay in the moment.  I also like splitting my doses up with Nats. Prolonging the euphoria.

My last dose of Nats was just under 5 grams in tea and we had an amazing time, so a couple days ago we took 4.5g of Rusty white in lemon tea, and I did not have a good time. Not bad, just not good. Unpleasant body load, dark and confusing thoughts, and a sea sickness feeling the whole time. My limit with cubes seems to be about 3 grams, and I’d almost rather eat them dry than in tea. Cubensis tea kicks in so fast for me that it can get me off balance and fearful. I like the slower come up of munching dried fruits over a few minutes.  With Nats though, I feel no fear or apprehension, even with lemon tea tek. They seem strong, but gentle.

So far Natals is is my favorite mushroom, but I have some semperviva running, so I’m eager to try those beauties.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: MysticMycologist] * 3
    #27862238 - 07/14/22 09:17 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the report, Primal!

Tomorrow I'll hopefully be tripping with my buddy on some Nats. It will be my first time tripping in nature, so I'm a bit anxious but also excited. Report should appear somewhere in this thread in a few days.

Also, my culture no. 2 is pinning now. Hopefully it will have some good clone candidates like culture 1 did. For this trip we'll be taking a single mushroom split in half. It's one from culture no. 1 that I've cloned. It was a chonker too, so around 0.8g for both of us. Should be just right and at the same time we will know the potency of this clone, so this will double as a clone potency test. Which I don't do nearly enough of.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: MysticMycologist] * 2
    #27862278 - 07/14/22 09:53 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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so a couple days ago we took 4.5g of Rusty white in lemon tea, and I did not have a good time. Not bad, just not good. Unpleasant body load, dark and confusing thoughts, and a sea sickness feeling the whole time. My limit with cubes seems to be about 3 grams, and I’d almost rather eat them dry than in tea. Cubensis tea kicks in so fast for me that it can get me off balance and fearful. I like the slower come up of munching dried fruits over a few minutes.




I have very much the same experience with cubes, almost never do them anymore except in small doses for this reason


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Forrester] * 6
    #27862314 - 07/14/22 10:18 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

first flush natalensis boxes.
different phenos, nutty almond overlay ..
they bruise dark blue and very fast.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77] * 3
    #27862545 - 07/14/22 02:03 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)





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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: labbar] * 1
    #27862886 - 07/14/22 06:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I was only gone for a few days…  :cryface:



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: san pedro guy]
    #27862895 - 07/14/22 06:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Anyone doing tea (with citric acid) with fresh nats yet?

I’m hoping to hear some feedback on that as I’d love to consider that when my first harvest gets here.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: BlueAndOrange] * 4
    #27862925 - 07/14/22 07:31 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I just did!  The flushing from what I have so far is kind of spread out (different phenos) though so until I isolate out what I'm after I'm going back to what I normally do with MS grows - harvest the early bloomers and keep in the fridge until the rest catch up, then cook them all up together.  There was no advantage to letting them mature past spore release.

See what I mean - the cool sideways fruits (which I cloned) came in early and were over mature by the time I harvested the rest:



and 2 days later:



2% citric acid by weight of fresh shrooms + no extra water seemed to work fine but I'm not convinced I'm getting full extraction from the spent fruits.  I got a Mr. Coffee french press at the Goodwill for 8 bucks and I'm gonna try that next time, along with maybe a quarter the weight in water of the shrooms to start the cooking with rather than relying on their internal moisture content alone.

One theory I have is that ALL the liquid that you can press out contains ALL the actives in solution.  I've never considered the spent shroom mass to be worth processing again, but that's mostly because the first pass tea is disgusting enough and it doesn't seem (comparing to eating fresh or dried) that there's any loss going on.  The only way to really know is to have an isolate and dry half a flush, make tea from the other half, and then compare the potency back-to-back with small test doses.

Like today, I ate 0.5g about half an hour ago as an experiment.  Yesterday I did the equivalent of 2g as tea which was a full on experience.  I should have tolerance from that if I was to repeat the same dosage.  But already I'm feeling some effects from the 0.5g, and it just keeps getting more intense as I'm writing this.

It's kind of baffling still - I know there are people that say they never get tolerance but I'm not one of them. 

If I want to dose high on a second (or third etc.) day I have to up the dosage on cubes by 50% each day to get to the same level where OEVs occur during the peak.  But with mini-dosing (0.3 to 0.5g) whether cubes or Nats there doesn't seem to be any tolerance effects. 

It seems there's a level where you can sort of have your cake and eat it too.  More to explore there... :awesomenod:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27863243 - 07/15/22 02:33 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Finally returning to growing these. This thread got pretty big lol.

Is there any consensus on the growing tek? If I remember correctly they are very similar to cubes, but people use less spawn (1/4 or 1/5). Is this what you guys are using still?

Also I remember doing a light casing (2-3mm) with potting soil. Is this recommended or is it better without the soil and just use straight coco?


Thanks for your help. I spend over an hour looking back into the thread but couldnt find what I was looking for yet.

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Infinity-25]
    #27863254 - 07/15/22 02:53 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I run them in shoeboxes just like cubes, coir substrate, no casing, 1:4 ratio.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Infinity-25]
    #27863257 - 07/15/22 03:05 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Finally returning to growing these. This thread got pretty big lol.

Is there any consensus on the growing tek? If I remember correctly they are very similar to cubes, but people use less spawn (1/4 or 1/5). Is this what you guys are using still?

Also I remember doing a light casing (2-3mm) with potting soil. Is this recommended or is it better without the soil and just use straight coco?


Thanks for your help. I spend over an hour looking back into the thread but couldnt find what I was looking for yet.

:cheers:




from 3 shoeboxes the best result was 1:1, half inch top layer coco. best yield, thickest fruit, 0 overlay

its against what others have stated though ..

Edit:
forgot to mention, this is concerning first flush. might be different in the longer run


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77]
    #27863270 - 07/15/22 03:37 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I've run all ratios from 1:1 to 1:5, higher sub ratios work better from my experience but I believe it's due to the added water.
My last run at 1:5 was heavily saturated beyond field capacity and gave 5 flushes, could have gone for more but the diminishing returns make me rotate tubs.

Overall yield was 1560g wet but I have managed around 1200g off 2 flushes with high water content using 1:4.

My current run I've gone for 1:4 but also made 1:5 and 1:4 hpoo/verm.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: DERRAYLD] * 2
    #27863273 - 07/15/22 03:39 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I posted this a while back but thought I'd screwed up by fumbling and throwing the pp cup across the room.

Managed to salvage the agar cup and got a single fruit :lol:



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: DERRAYLD] * 2
    #27863316 - 07/15/22 05:51 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

A little from the life of the Natalensis...on hay manure


On the third flush, I caught a trichoderm.I put it in the basement without light and air.

The difference in lighting and air exchange is obvious.


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