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The three philosophies of man
    #27854686 - 07/08/22 11:55 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

According to Crowley, it boils down to this: There are but three philosophies of man—dualism, monism and nihilism. Is this an oversimplification?


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27854738 - 07/08/22 12:27 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

two primary substances, one primary substance, and who gives a shit. Traditionally that seems to cover alot of bases. Plenty of nihilists, dualists, idealists, physicalists. I'm not sure what other relevent one there would be?


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #27854757 - 07/08/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

With Crowley, the statements are researched and credible that way for the era in which he lived, however his colonial steam punk era lacked a balanced scientific understanding which is available now, but still not that popular. He was a bit like Elon Musk perhaps.

Personally I think there is a lot more variety than 3 philosophies, but only one mental process producing all of it.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27854794 - 07/08/22 12:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Well dualism and monism are ontological statements. And nihilism is sort of saying that it's a meaningless question or pursuit in the first place. So I guess it's more specific than simply "philosophical". There are tons of philosophies associated with different subjects, but in terms of statements on existence or being it's pretty much acknowledged that there is potentially mind or matter. And then "who cares? Doesn't matter."


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27854831 - 07/08/22 01:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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According to Crowley, it boils down to this: There are but three philosophies of man—dualism, monism and nihilism. Is this an oversimplification?




What would he call an individual, such as Nietzsche, who opposes nihilism as a view on life, who rejects that there is an ultimate basis for value, and yet says we must find individual values in life? Nietzsche is certainly no monist or dualist, but he is an enemy of nihilism as well. Nietzsche fits none of the categories.

Most people are not dualists or monists, most people do not hold any clear ontological views, their views are much less well-defined. They'd fall more closely in the nihilist category.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27854860 - 07/08/22 01:34 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

It seems there is a lot of dualistic monism, if I may wreck these things, in religion. Polytheism within a single essence or boss God, or even the Trinity.?

The Hermetic Divine Paradox seems to speak of dualistic monism - the universe is mental, but the finite are subject to laws. And there is the dual-aspect singularity in a form of panpsychism.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27855207 - 07/08/22 07:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I've always liked animism, and I don't think it falls into dualism or monism or nihilism. So maybe that's a 4th. Old school


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27855247 - 07/08/22 07:56 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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According to Crowley, it boils down to this: There are but three philosophies of man—dualism, monism and nihilism. Is this an oversimplification?



Crowly was a black magician who himself claimed to have sacrificed over 100 male infants.

Find better philosophy role models.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27855325 - 07/08/22 08:52 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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According to Crowley, it boils down to this: There are but three philosophies of man—dualism, monism and nihilism. Is this an oversimplification?




What would he call an individual, such as Nietzsche, who opposes nihilism as a view on life, who rejects that there is an ultimate basis for value, and yet says we must find individual values in life? Nietzsche is certainly no monist or dualist, but he is an enemy of nihilism as well. Nietzsche fits none of the categories.

Most people are not dualists or monists, most people do not hold any clear ontological views, their views are much less well-defined. They'd fall more closely in the nihilist category.





Good point about Nietzsche. He doesn't fall at all neatly into any of those categories. I imagine that there are a lot of similar ambiguities with many other philosophers as well.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: Kickle]
    #27855326 - 07/08/22 08:53 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I've always liked animism, and I don't think it falls into dualism or monism or nihilism. So maybe that's a 4th. Old school





I've always liked animism, too. I suppose one could try to force it into monism, but that's a stretch. Maybe it does deserve to be its own category.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: Orokusaki]
    #27855328 - 07/08/22 08:54 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
According to Crowley, it boils down to this: There are but three philosophies of man—dualism, monism and nihilism. Is this an oversimplification?



Crowly was a black magician who himself claimed to have sacrificed over 100 male infants.

Find better philosophy role models.





That is completely ridiculous and untrue. Please do not post such silly rumors in this subforum.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27855373 - 07/08/22 09:31 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Is this an oversimplification?



Yes.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27855478 - 07/09/22 12:21 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Besides the messiah complex and charlatanism, how is Aleister Crowley like Elon Musk?

To OP, yes, oversimplification. Boil anything down like that and all nuance is lost. You’re just spouting off some truism that may as well be left unsaid. And that’s the kind of shit Crowley was famous for: making simple shit and outright gibberish sound profound. Diary of a Drug Fiend is a decent book though.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27855520 - 07/09/22 01:33 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
According to Crowley, it boils down to this: There are but three philosophies of man—dualism, monism and nihilism. Is this an oversimplification?



Crowly was a black magician who himself claimed to have sacrificed over 100 male infants.

Find better philosophy role models.





That is completely ridiculous and untrue. Please do not post such silly rumors in this subforum.




It's not a rumor nor is it untrue. He said it himself.

I guess he never practiced Babylonia sex magic either, nor was he contracted by the federal government?


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: Orokusaki]
    #27855541 - 07/09/22 02:05 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

According to a Crowley myth buster page I came across in a quick search, in such sacrifice he was referring jokingly to masturbation.

I did read some unpleasant words by him in the Book of the Law I believe, pretty graphic against Christ, but I don't know whether to take them literally, or as against the church, religion.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: Trails]
    #27855577 - 07/09/22 04:01 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Crowley's use of public attention as an income stream is what I mean.
I also enjoyed diary of a drug fiend before temporarily becoming one.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27855678 - 07/09/22 07:18 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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According to Crowley, it boils down to this: There are but three philosophies of man—dualism, monism and nihilism. Is this an oversimplification?




Where would you place Gratitude of the Sun?

A naturally based Sun gratitudinal monism?  I mean everything living is reliant on the Sun, and the cosmos is well intertwined, there is but only nature as I see and it is diverse and dynamic. That is in a natural sense though, as far as I understand it, there has not yet been inclings of interdimensional separations.

I do not have a soul, because I am a soul. 


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27856412 - 07/09/22 06:37 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

No oversimplification, mathematically speaking all bases covered.

All is One = Hinduism etc
All is Two (or Many) Also Pairs of Opposites = Dualistic philosophies and religions
All is None = Buddhism etc

0=2


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: syncro]
    #27856482 - 07/09/22 07:21 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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According to a Crowley myth buster page I came across in a quick search, in such sacrifice he was referring jokingly to masturbation.

I did read some unpleasant words by him in the Book of the Law I believe, pretty graphic against Christ, but I don't know whether to take them literally, or as against the church, religion.




Crazy the number of peeps who've incredulously fallen for that joke.
Book of the Law passage symbolic against Christian and similar monotheistic Father type religions.


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Re: The three philosophies of man [Re: mycot]
    #27856716 - 07/09/22 09:42 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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No oversimplification, mathematically speaking all bases covered.

All is One = Hinduism etc
All is Two (or Many) Also Pairs of Opposites = Dualistic philosophies and religions
All is None = Buddhism etc

0=2





How is it that Buddhism says there is no substance whatsoever? The very phrase “all is none” implies that there is something. If it’s all then there must be some pieces there.


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