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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27854533 - 07/08/22 09:19 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I guess he thought he looked cool. People think stupid things sometimes.




I don't think so, I think he intentionally looked like a disheveled clown. Made him look busy and also made people take him less seriously, to their detriment.

Just like how the KKK called their leadership wizards and dragons. Hard to be made fun of when you're intentionally ridiculous.


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: koods] * 1
    #27854603 - 07/08/22 10:33 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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He’s an American citizen, too. He should come over here and run for President.




He renounced his citizenship to avoid paying taxes.


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27855007 - 07/08/22 03:48 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Yep he's dead. Shot by a left wing nut with a home made gun. First gun death in Japan this year.




You have a source for the left-wing thing?  I'm not saying that isn't the case but all I've been able to find says that the guy didn't care about Abe's politics but wanted to kill him for being part of an unnamed organization.  Dude was ex-military and had an apartment full of home made guns and explosives, allegedly.  None of that screams left-wing to me and sounds more typical of a Qanon nutcase but I'm open to more info if you have it.


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27855129 - 07/08/22 05:47 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I remember noticing in the last 6 months that Johnson looked like a member of the Sex Pistols.




Ha, that's hilarious, I'll never be able to think about Johnny Lydon without thinking about Boris now.

I'd happily pay for an airfare and fly anywhere just to have a beer with John, but I wouldn't cross the street to talk to Boris.

John is a champion, he's a carer for his wife Nora Foster who now has Alzheimers and they both helped raise Nora's daughter Ari Up's children. He's a very interesting character, very clever, I like him a lot. He's a Trump supporter too curiously enough.

Do you recall he was knifed after releasing God Save The Queen? He's seen A LOT, much respect for Johnny Rotten :super:


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27855141 - 07/08/22 05:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Yep he's dead. Shot by a left wing nut with a home made gun. First gun death in Japan this year.




You have a source for the left-wing thing?  I'm not saying that isn't the case but all I've been able to find says that the guy didn't care about Abe's politics but wanted to kill him for being part of an unnamed organization.  Dude was ex-military and had an apartment full of home made guns and explosives, allegedly.  None of that screams left-wing to me and sounds more typical of a Qanon nutcase but I'm open to more info if you have it.




Look you may be right balls, I made the comment whilst listening to a commentator on the ABC last night.
If I can find the interview I'll post it. It's possible I may have misheard the discussion.


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27855190 - 07/08/22 06:56 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I'm bloody certain Eleni Psaltis made comments along those lines during an interview last night but seeing as I'm unable to prove that I've edited my earlier post.

Good call ballsalsa :thumbup:


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27855245 - 07/08/22 07:54 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Here's the thing I found
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-ex-prime-minister-abe-may-have-been-shot-taken-hospital-nhk-2022-07-08/
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The suspect said he bore a grudge against a "specific organisation" and believed Abe was part of it, and that his grudge was not about politics, the police said, adding it was not clear if the unnamed organisation actually existed.




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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27855277 - 07/08/22 08:18 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-08/japans-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-dies-after-being/13965954

That home made gun was a mad looking piece of equipment 1.58 mark... it went off like a canon 0.21 mark


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Kryptos]
    #27855540 - 07/09/22 02:04 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Stable Genius said:
I guess he thought he looked cool. People think stupid things sometimes.




I don't think so, I think he intentionally looked like a disheveled clown. Made him look busy and also made people take him less seriously, to their detriment.

Just like how the KKK called their leadership wizards and dragons. Hard to be made fun of when you're intentionally ridiculous.




lol no, I think you're wrong about Boris and especially the KKK.


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #27855605 - 07/09/22 05:11 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I remember noticing in the last 6 months that Johnson looked like a member of the Sex Pistols.




Ha, that's hilarious, I'll never be able to think about Johnny Lydon without thinking about Boris now.

I'd happily pay for an airfare and fly anywhere just to have a beer with John, but I wouldn't cross the street to talk to Boris.

John is a champion, he's a carer for his wife Nora Foster who now has Alzheimers and they both helped raise Nora's daughter Ari Up's children. He's a very interesting character, very clever, I like him a lot. He's a Trump supporter too curiously enough.

Do you recall he was knifed after releasing God Save The Queen? He's seen A LOT, much respect for Johnny Rotten :super:




I also noticed Rand Paul has John Lydon hairstyle; I guess that's OK because he's a libertarian, not a conservative. It does look strange for a guy high up in government, but times change.

I forgot about Johnny Rotten getting stabbed. The Pistols caused quite a stir, and hit the top of the charts while the song was banned which is incredible. Never has a band with really just one album had that impact. I still play Bodies a lot on the juke box.

I didn't know about his wife.

I remember being initially irritated when I heard he was a Trump supporter, but it makes sense as pop culture's greatest nihilist.


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27856118 - 07/09/22 02:07 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
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Stable Genius said:
I guess he thought he looked cool. People think stupid things sometimes.




I don't think so, I think he intentionally looked like a disheveled clown. Made him look busy and also made people take him less seriously, to their detriment.

Just like how the KKK called their leadership wizards and dragons. Hard to be made fun of when you're intentionally ridiculous.




lol no, I think you're wrong about Boris and especially the KKK.




The KKK thing is true, right wing groups have often used explicitly ridiculous imagery to hide their intentions. This is still a common tactic, like the Proud Boys "initiation" being beaten until you name breakfast cereals. The point is that someone talking about this seriously sounds like an idiot. I mean, it's literally designed to evoke your response "lol no that sounds dumb".

It's like the average 4chan edgelord Shrodinger's Asshole gambit. It's all jokes, until it isn't.

And, of course, there is value in being able to hide behind ridicule. Say someone is actually a grand wizard of the KKK. Someone else exposes them--"This guy is a grand wizard!"

To the bystander that is not aware what being a grand wizard means, it sound like you just accused someone of being a wizard...which is not a normal thing. Wizards don't exist. You look stupid. "lol no I think you're wrong"

I suspect this started with the Know Nothing party, which was explicitly xenophobic and occasionally violent, and their thing was that when asked about their beliefs, they would say "I know nothing". Taken at face value, they would sound uninformed or apathetic, but to the ingroup, that was their signal of membership.

"Lefties know we're crypto, but normies won't listen to them"

(There's an indepth analysis of intentionlly ridiculous languages and names used by the alt-right somewhere on youtube, but I don't remember which video it was. Either a contrapoints of one of the alt-right playbook videos goes deep into the history.)


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Kryptos]
    #27856239 - 07/09/22 04:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Nah. You're using your own modern day perceptions weighing this up.

I think you need to think back to the time when this was happening and the lack of education/information of the people they were terrorising.

Possibly the idea of hiding the identity of members makes sense but the idea of being intentionally ridiculous, no way.

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However, many aspects were, while clearly influenced, new ones. Parsons, for instance, notes how the various codewords that the Klan chose, such as "Dismal" or "Dreadful" aren't similar to those of Masonic lodges, but rather suggestion being extracted from "sensationalist fiction", chosen for their "ominous and literary quality", and likely suggestive as well of the direction the Klan went in choosing the specific terms for their officers. We also can look to the self-image that the Klan had of itself, protecting 'good, honest white society' from the Freemen and Carpetbaggers, and the idea that they propagated of their victims believing them not to be men, but ghosts of dead Confederates coming for revenge, or literally forces 'coming from hell' to cause terror.

Even after the KKK's nominal disbandment, such groups continued to be the hotbed of white supremacist ideology, the same men continuing on their fraternal traditions, simply less obviously than the Klan had in its heyday, in "Democratic clubs, Masonic lodges, and probably (as has been shown in the case of New Orleans) carnival societies".

So the sum of it is that the titles weren't all that unusual. Pulaski, TN where the Klan was founded in 1866, had no less than eight Masonic lodges, not to mention former members of the Sons of Malta, and likely a number more men with connections to similar, less prominent secret organizations with their own trappings of pseudo-exoticism and ritual. Odd sounding titles were part and parcel of this pagentry, and it is, if anything, fairly mundane and expected that a secret group like the Klan would follow that pattern, and while certainly strange, they would speak to a language that many of the period would understand.




https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/esttkh/why_did_the_kkk_have_such_weird_titles/


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27856449 - 07/09/22 06:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that even the most undereducated person in the 19th century didn't believe in dragons.

Similarly, both wizards and dragons are relatively pedestrian words, if they were going for the literary angle I'd be expecting grand viziers and wyverns.


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27856909 - 07/10/22 03:29 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
He’s an American citizen, too. He should come over here and run for President.




He renounced his citizenship to avoid paying taxes.




That's outrageous. He said he paid big U.S. taxes in 2015. Does he even have holdings here I wonder?

I have a friend who owns a farm in Canada, but he never takes profits from it because of taxes. He just let's the tenant farmer keep it and get taxed. I guess he keeps it for the equity, but IDK if he can ever benefit from that.


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Kryptos]
    #27856908 - 07/10/22 03:29 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure that even the most undereducated person in the 19th century didn't believe in dragons.





I think you're missing the point and using you're own 21st century reasoning.

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Historical records reveal the names of various deities who were worshiped in Voodoo, prominent among them were Blanc Dani, the Grand Zombi, and Papa Lébat. These were venerated at altars, where sacrifices were made to them. Spirits of the dead also played a prominent role in historical Voodoo.





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From the early 18th century, enslaved West Africans—the majority of them Bambara and Kongo—were brought to the French colony of Louisiana. There, their traditional religions would have syncretized with the Roman Catholic beliefs of the French. This continued as Louisiana came under Spanish control and was then purchased by the United States in 1803. In the early 19th century, many migrants fleeing the Haitian Revolution arrived in Louisiana, bringing with them Haitian Vodou, which contributed to the formation of Louisiana Voodoo. Although the religion was never banned, its practice was restricted through a range of laws regulating when and where black people could gather. Practiced secretly, it spread up the Mississippi River to Missouri. During the 19th century, several prominent practitioners, such as Marie Laveau and Doctor John, attracted considerable attention.




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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27857130 - 07/10/22 10:14 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Maybe he's hoping to sell the land to a developer someday


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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28353582 - 06/09/23 06:21 PM (7 months, 15 days ago)

Again.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/uk/uk-boris-johnson-stepping-down-intl/index.html

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Boris Johnson, Britain’s former prime minister and one of the most divisive leaders of his generation, has resigned as a member of Parliament after accusing a committee of attempting to “drive me out,” he said in a letter on Friday.

The former Conservative party leader said he was was “bewildered and appalled” after receiving a letter from the from a House of Commons committee, which is investigating whether he lied to British lawmakers over lockdown-breaking parties during the pandemic, known as ‘Partygate.’




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Re: Boris Johnson Resigns [Re: christopera]
    #28354479 - 06/10/23 12:43 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

Wow, really?
I have to admit that this makes the UK look very bad.  Very very bad.


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