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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28508909 - 10/18/23 12:26 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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some naughty holics can easily almost completely ruin it for many a cat.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28509891 - 10/18/23 07:45 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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I think the immense power of psychedelics, luckily, can never be fully kept under wraps. They are bound to make their impact.
It is really a crime against humanity to put people in prison for mushrooms.
Perhaps this could have been justified in ancient Greece. Information is too readily accessible now, and the traditions are gone. Full disclosure is the only ethical way at this point. That people do not have any right to or need for psychedelics must be execrated.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28510174 - 10/19/23 02:53 AM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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Well, a third person ignored me. I'm trying to figure out why.
        
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28510385 - 10/19/23 10:43 AM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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preaching to the crowd too loudly? 
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28511041 - 10/19/23 08:10 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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Lol. I know I'm probably annoying sometimes, but someone has to say a lot of this stuff. I have seen so much said about psychedelics, and I follow some famous people closely. I have listened closely to what they have said, like Aldous Huxley, Oliver Sacks, Terence Mckenna, Rick Strassman, Paul Stamets, Hamilton Morris, etc. Etc. They gloss over some important stuff, and I think the trajectory of contemporary thought concerning this is really being pushed by certain interests, which are in many ways treated in contradistinction to all that I have been endeavoring to get people to consider.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28511097 - 10/19/23 09:10 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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The real buffer against my spiel is Platonism. This is very difficult to get anyone to understand, especially if they are unfamiliar with philosophical terminology. This stuff about Eleusis that I have been for months now, as you said, basically preaching is really the cornerstone of a whole system of anti-Platonic philosophy. It requires a reformulation of so many other things that have hitherto been made sense of (speciously) according to Platonism... and these things are even taken as common sense, and as a default way of considering anything at all. It really feels impossible. Platonism runs so deeply... It is like trying to convince people bulldozing their city will be worth it in order to rebuild it better, because the current structure and planning of it is too flawed.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28511109 - 10/19/23 09:19 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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For instance... There is a recording of Terence Mckenna taking questions at the end of one of his talks... A guy asks him about Porphyry, the roman philosopher, and brings up, against what Terence was saying about Tertullian, the book burnings of the 4th and 5th centuries. Terence Mckenna really totally dismissed it. His argument, furthermore, did not even come close to addressing what this man said... And I think it is exactly in this where my explanation is superior, because it takes into account exactly why Porphyry was suppressed, and how this relates to the history of psychedelics. Porphyry is crucial to the logic of early Christianity, and I did not expect Terence to react the way he did, which was honestly the most disingenuous thing I think I ever heard from him. Terence Mckenna always spoke of Plato positively and in a good light. He was a Platonist, and this is the basis of where I think Terence went wrong.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28513178 - 10/21/23 03:14 PM (6 months, 23 days ago) |
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What I meant to say is it is the suppression of paganism (porphyry was one of the last pagan, Platonic philosophers) and subsequently of psychedelics (as Eleusis was destroyed by Platonist Christians) that makes Platonism itself work. Platonism, in my view, is premised on the fact of the suppression of psychedelics. Psychedelics not being suppressed results in something like Eleusis.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28513198 - 10/21/23 03:37 PM (6 months, 23 days ago) |
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I don't mean to derail this thread but I must say. Okay... Sigmund Freud said "neurosis is the inability to tolerate ambiguity." Ambiguity is what Platonism seeks to destroy at the very outset. There isn't ambiguity in Platonism; everything is determined according to an absolute. This is destined for a neurotic state of affairs: it can only be maintained with such a thing. Psychedelics reveal the truth of ambiguity and paradox, and this is really at the core of pagan symbolism. Take for instance the famous ouroboros, the snake eating its tail. Platonism is really designed for a small few with control over a large population. It is antidemocratic. It is what makes politicians into puppets. It lies about the reality. It is smoke and mirrors. It putts the world like a video game where you go to the end of the map and the pixels get all messed up and the background you saw from a distance didn't really exist. These are the Platonic presuppositions, for instance, with mental health, by which psychedelics are becoming medicalized... That a person's condition is sufficiently trascribed and represented by any mental disease because they fit certain criteria on paper... A symptom is not anything that is supposed to be immediately related to a general consideration of associations concerning it but what is associated with it specifically and uniquely. The opposite is done by modern psychology. The condition comes first, and then the person. This is a perfect example of the power of Platonism. Psychedelics, of course, expose all of this, because of exactly deconditioning. It is really interesting to see the impact psychedelics are making. The sad thing is their power has been known for a very long time by the most powerful civilizations, and by our ancestors who have bequeathed all this upon us. It is really a disgrace to them all to have psychedelics controlled as they are. They are not for the purpose of treating some isolated symptom of a repressive, controlling society that causes unnecessary problems in people. They are meant to be used spiritually in such a manner that many problems, which would otherwise have people wanting to take an "experimental dose" in a hospital, would never have materialized in the first place.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
#28527135 - 11/02/23 08:52 PM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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@Traeger, if I don’t want to track down isoveraldehyde. What do I need to be careful of when using the more typical kitchen ingredients?
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: suba]
#28527425 - 11/03/23 05:08 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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The only thing about this is that it seems (correct me if I'm wrong) to portray HBWR and MG as a kind of poor mans LSD, until that is, the compunds within these substances are converted to LSH/I?
That was never my experience with HBWR/MG so long as I actually managed to hold the seeds down for the correct number of hours (which for me was almost impossible). I waited a whole afternoon once, was sick in the toilet, and the entire trip/effort was aborted/wasted!
After experiences such as described above, I used to simply redrink my own vomit as it came up (tbh never really had a choice being in my parents living room and needing to quickly dispose of the evidence!) and then miraculously it would all kick in properly!
And I really mean it, it would kick in like a proper genuine psychedelic- nothing like Hoffman described (bland) LSA as...
But the interesting thing is: I would either have to wait through hours of sickened agony for these seeds to digest (and why was that?) or just re-drink my own puke (if I did this immediately the trip would set in instantly whereas if I toughed it out, it would take literally hours of suffering) which I eventually learned to do as soon as the putrid nausea set in!
But I never understood why this (drinking back my own puke!) worked so well, always assuming it was due to stomach acids facilitating some kind of extraction process?
Once the HBWR trip started however it was just as, or even more (seed dependent) mind-blowing than LSD!
I never (and have shouted all these same sentiments loudly in my post history) subscribed to the idea that HBWR/MG was an inferior experience to LSD as to me it always seemed full-spectrum.
The only time HBWR/MG was as crappy as people some described it (LSA) was when I attempted extractions. They removed all the magic.
So is it possible that what this tek has managed to achieve is something I yearned after for years, a proper extraction of the goodies and elimination of the putrid side effects?
And sorry guys can someone point me to the actual tek for this? I was a little overwhelmed.
I click on the tek and end up with more posts talking about the process but not the actual process itself.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: wolf8312]
#28527458 - 11/03/23 05:46 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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Tregar hasn’t really posted the process it seems. There’s a lot of talk of the effects of the potions he’s made himself, but no simple to follow step by step guide for making his potion.
Seems a bit strange to me… sorry
Same goes with his posts about sublingual DMT. There seems to be no information written about the process of making the sublingually available DMT and all of the writing is just about the supposed after effects. I’m not saying he’s lying or anything, but it’s just frustrating reading someone talk about all of their “successes” with dosing natural psychedelics in novel ways without any real specific information on how they did it.
And he seems to repost the same stuff over and over again in massive, difficult to sift through, chunks of text. It’s like he’s trying to confuse people.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Bardy]
#28527468 - 11/03/23 05:51 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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Bardy said: Tregar hasn’t really posted the process it seems. There’s a lot of talk of the effects of the potions he’s made himself, but no simple to follow step by step guide for making his potion.
Seems a bit strange to me… sorry
Same goes with his posts about sublingual DMT. There seems to be no information written about the process of making the sublingually available DMT and all of the writing is just about the supposed after effects. I’m not saying he’s lying or anything, but it’s just frustrating reading someone talk about all of their “successes” with dosing natural psychedelics in novel ways without any real specific information on how they did it.
And he seems to repost the same stuff over and over again in massive, difficult to sift through, chunks of text. It’s like he’s trying to confuse people.
Yeah I must say each door seemed to lead to another door! Does anyone have the actual tek?
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: wolf8312]
#28527496 - 11/03/23 06:22 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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No, as far as I’m aware it’s not clearly written anywhere in this massive thread or anywhere else despite the title being “LSH tek”.
All I’ve gathered from it is mix solution A with solution B. Solution A being one that contains an aldehyde in sufficient amounts, whatever that may be, and solution B containing an alcoholic extract of your seeds of choice.
I’ve tried a version of it, and yeah the alcohol extract works great but it just feels exactly like plain old LSA. I mixed peppermint extract with a vodka seed extract. It was a nice trip anyway.
I have a feeling that the extra crazy effects Tregar is getting is almost certainly due to the fact he’s taking high doses of LSA and combining them with alcohol and harmalas. Harmalas will potentiate the shit out of it.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: wolf8312] 1
#28527594 - 11/03/23 08:25 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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I have a process, that I got from traeger’s walls of text. It’s in there. Pasting it below. My PDF has pictures and links. But here’s my summary:
MG LSA Extraction to LSH/LSI Process From: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28453030#28453030
LSH and LSI activates 5 more adrenal receptors (than LSD) associated with beauty, aesthetics and sensuality beyond normal LSD. Can add to cactus tea by drinking the LSH potion 1 hour later (always stagger 1 hour so the amides do not clash with the trace maoi's in cactus, only take in that order) it's incredible
This is ANCIENT LSD, it was hypothesized to form from ground claviceps paspali ergot which grows on paspalum distichum grass in the famous Rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis (same safe alkaloid profile as Mesoamerican morning glory high in LSA) that is mixed with a handful or large amount of fresh peppermint leaves for a while in wine. This could very well be the famous Kykeon psychedelic brew, formula kept secret for 2,000 years by the priests, able to easily feed over 300 hundred people (new initiates) like clockwork every Sept. LSA --> potent LSI, it is indeed possible and works extremely well.
COMPLETE TEK ON HOW TO MAKE LSH and LSI combo, or just LSI. ZERO NAUSEA. Used for all aldehyde experiments, example: forming LSH and LSI from the LSA in the seeds
tldr: MG seeds: 600 (or 18g) morning glory seed, wine extract, prepared with 3 drops isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI.
Ingredients:
Acetaldehyde (Sherry - 4 shots) Acetaldehyde occurs in nature as an intermediate product in the respiration of higher plants and can be found in ripening fruit such as apples. Also an intermediate product of fermentation of alcohol and in metabolism of sugars in the body. Produced by the partial oxidation of ethanol by the liver enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH)
ISOVALERALDEHYDE (or Lemon juice, peppermint leaf) Isovaleraldehyde, formally 3-methylbutanal, is a pungent liquid that occurs in natural oils such as orange, lemon, peppermint, and eucalyptus.
15 grams (or 525) heavenly blue morning glory seeds @ 0.01mg LSA per seed = 5mg LSA
30mg of DL tartaric acid
1 to 2 teaspoons of acetic acid or VINEGAR (e.g apple cider)
½ pint jar with lid
LSA to LSH
step 1: Sherry wine is the wine highest in acetaldehyde.
step 2: Very dim light / dark room: Grind 15 grams or 525 heavenly blue morning glory seeds in a coffee grinder (35 seeds per gram) using 10 second grind with occasional shaking of coffee grinder, pause 5 seconds, then grind again 10 seconds, repeat x 4 times, you will end up with a dust like consistency, all the alkaloids are extracted from within the tough rubbery embryo of the seed.
525 seeds x 0.01mg LSA per seed = 5mg LSA
Step 3: Place ground seed dust into a 1/2 pint tall jar (Walmart case of 12, canning section), add 4 shots of cold just opened fresh sherry wine from the fridge, and around 30mg of DL tartaric acid which aids the extraction (from hi media store, Amazon, auction or similar). NOTE: Do not use plain L-tartaric acid used in wine making, get the good stuff, which contains the D isomer. D-lysergic acid amide isomer salts are the potent form of salts.
And also ADD a tiny splash or 1 to 2 teaspoons of acetic acid or VINEGAR (I use apple cider vinegar)
To catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA In this case (for LSH) acetaldehyde onto the amide of LSA Or, jump to next section (for LSI): isovaleraldehyde to form LSI
The vinegar acts as an important catalyst as it contains acetic acid, and speeds the formation of new adduct product, see study below:
Re-seal your sherry wine by spraying wine preservation canister which has inert gas (contains argon, carbon dioxide, etc.) around ten dollars from Amazon into your wine before sealing with cork and placing back in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde in the wine will not oxidize to vinegar as normally happens over a 5 day period when corked without preserving.
Put lid on and shake contents for 1 to 2 minutes.
Place jar into fridge for 10 minutes after the 2 minute shaking, during this time the nauseating seed debris can be seen falling to the bottom.
Step 4: Filter entire contents of jar thru a "coffee wire filter" (Walmart or Amazon or your local grocery store) sitting atop a glass, the liquid above the seed debris will filter very fast (in seconds), then filter the debris at the bottom from the jar, once the debris is in basket, use a spoon to press down on it to get all the liquid out, this only takes around 10 seconds. NOTE: Buchner funnel with fast/slow filters will catch a lot more debris, maybe can skip Pic 5 next.
Step 5: Place this filtered liquid in the fridge for 3 hours or even overnight, within 3 hours, all of the nauseating to the intestines seed debris will have fallen to the bottom. This process begins within an hour after sitting in fridge, check each hour and watch as the seed debris falls by around an inch each hour.
Step 6: After 3 hours or longer, decant* the liquid from above the bottom 1/4" of seed debris, this is what you want to consume, it is psychedelic and results in zero nausea, as there is no seed debris in it. *Decantation is the process of separation of liquid from solid and other immiscible (non-mixing) liquids, by removing the liquid layer at the top from the layer of solid or liquid below. DO NOT DRINK the SEED DEBRIS at very bottom or you will become nauseated and sick, don't worry, there are no alkaloids in it.
Note: never try to extract your seeds using just plain acidified water, I have tried this before, your seed debris will not separate out in the fridge, and you end up with a complete emulsion in the coffee wire filter which will not filter at all, wine is needed to effect the proper extraction, and allows the liquid to separate from the seed emulsion below, this will not happen with a plane water extraction. This is how the ancient Aztec and Mayan extracted the seeds using balche, an alcohol they made themselves, see 2nd pic.
Use ice bath on your stirrer to keep wine as a combo of LSH + LSI (as LSH adduct acetaldehyde boils off at room temp, so always keep cold, to form LSI only, omit the ice bath, as LSI does not boil off till 198 degree F).
All the alkaloids are concentrated in the fridge decanted liquid above the seed debris. This contains your LSA which has adducted to the acetaldehyde in the wine, forming new amounts of LSH, since the wine is at ph=4, the new LSH adduct product will remain stable indefinitely, store in fridge if you plan to use within a few days, or you can freeze and then melt in fridge overnight to use next day. It melts fast since it is wine.
LSA to LSI
To form LSI, simply take your 4 shot morning glory wine (see above), and at this point add your 3 drops of isovaleraldehyde along with 1 to 2 teaspoons apple cider vinegar (if you don't have isovaleraldehyde then add teaspoon or more of lemon juice, or several drops of pure peppermint oil) to form new LSI molecule similar to LSD in every way. Be sure to spin for around 1 hour at high speed. I always use the pure chemical as I have it. apple cider vinegar contains the acetic acid catalyst which speeds up the adduct chemical reaction.
Notes/Comments
The ZERO NAUSEA 25g seed (800 seed) morning glory wine, simply decant and drink only what is above the 1/4" layer of particles at the bottom. The wine sits in fridge only a few hours, then all the particles fall to the bottom, and it's ready to use!
The particles at bottom are nauseating to the intestines so only drink the wine above it
Zero nausea and a fabulous psychedelic trip. You can also drink this wine with regular LSD for a trip that is WAY BEYOND normal LSD. Way more colorful, way more music enhancing, way more visual and euphoric with divine healing.
This wine can also be used for all your aldehyde experiments like making LSI, super potent, VERY similar to LSD but with a much more natural feel.
25g is the most I've ever taken...be prepared (limit yourself to 25mg), still no vasoconstriction at 25g or below.
When you use the pure chemical isovaleraldehyde at a couple drops, then 100 seeds is the equivalent of 100ug LSD, 200 seeds around 200ug of LSD. Unfortunately isovaleraldehyde is hard to get residentially. Substitute with a tablespoon of lemon juice, peppermint drops or peppermint tea instead, all sources of limited amounts of isovaleraldehyde.
CAUTION: Be careful if using HBWR seeds, which have high amounts of ergometrine which cause cramping, vasoconstriction, and even bronchial vasoconstriction when ergometrine (not LSA) is adducted with acetaldehyde and other aldehydes. If you use HBWR, just keep your dose low. Stick with morning glory seeds if possible, as they contain only trace amounts of ergometrine
cinnamaldehyde contains double the amount of hydrogens and carbons thus weak activity, isovaleraldehyde contains the exact perfect number of hydrogen and carbons making it near equivalent to diethylamine from LSD, rats respond to this number as if they had been given LSD. It's the perfect weight and chemical structure to fit receptor perfectly, an ancient and modern miracle.
“ Tartaric acid levels in ripe grapes tend to lie between 3.5 and 11 g/L and they vary according to the variety of grape” As it turns out, the wine making process produces isovaleraldehyde as well.
To form LSI, you only need a couple drops of isovaleraldehyde added to your spinning zero nausea MG shot wine along with 1 teaspoon of vinegar (the chemical catalyst which quickly forms LSI from LSA by a condensation reaction at the amide
LSI causes the same stimulation as LSD (even if you take LSI at 6pm, you will still be wide awake at 3 in the morning). Same open eyed and closed eye visuals as LSD but LSI is more colorful and more music enhancing due to it imho hitting additional adrenal receptors that LSD does not hit (such as a2a, a2b, a2c). It makes up for potency (1mg lsi = 100ug Lsd) by it's additional action at multiple receptors that dmt, mescaline, psilocin all target. In other words, it lacks the "man-made" feeling of LSD but has the warm earthy signature of all the natural entheogens found in nature.
Just remember, to form LSD, it is formed from Lysergic Acid (not LSA) and a catalyst such as the peptide coupler Pybop stirring together with diethylamine, then it is separated from the catalyst (pybop) and cleaned. To form LSH, you use LSA and an aldehyde such as acetaldehyde stirring together to form LSH (with vinegar as the catalyst as it contains acetic acid which is the chemical catalyst) or to form LSI (the closest molecule in nature to LSD) you spin LSA with drops of isovaleraldehyde together with a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar (contains acetic acid condensation catalyst) as well.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: suba]
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suba said: I have a process, that I got from traeger’s walls of text. It’s in there. Pasting it below. My PDF has pictures and links. But here’s my summary:
MG LSA Extraction to LSH/LSI Process From: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28453030#28453030
LSH and LSI activates 5 more adrenal receptors (than LSD) associated with beauty, aesthetics and sensuality beyond normal LSD. Can add to cactus tea by drinking the LSH potion 1 hour later (always stagger 1 hour so the amides do not clash with the trace maoi's in cactus, only take in that order) it's incredible
This is ANCIENT LSD, it was hypothesized to form from ground claviceps paspali ergot which grows on paspalum distichum grass in the famous Rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis (same safe alkaloid profile as Mesoamerican morning glory high in LSA) that is mixed with a handful or large amount of fresh peppermint leaves for a while in wine. This could very well be the famous Kykeon psychedelic brew, formula kept secret for 2,000 years by the priests, able to easily feed over 300 hundred people (new initiates) like clockwork every Sept. LSA --> potent LSI, it is indeed possible and works extremely well.
COMPLETE TEK ON HOW TO MAKE LSH and LSI combo, or just LSI. ZERO NAUSEA. Used for all aldehyde experiments, example: forming LSH and LSI from the LSA in the seeds
tldr: MG seeds: 600 (or 18g) morning glory seed, wine extract, prepared with 3 drops isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI.
Ingredients:
Acetaldehyde (Sherry - 4 shots) Acetaldehyde occurs in nature as an intermediate product in the respiration of higher plants and can be found in ripening fruit such as apples. Also an intermediate product of fermentation of alcohol and in metabolism of sugars in the body. Produced by the partial oxidation of ethanol by the liver enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH)
ISOVALERALDEHYDE (or Lemon juice, peppermint leaf) Isovaleraldehyde, formally 3-methylbutanal, is a pungent liquid that occurs in natural oils such as orange, lemon, peppermint, and eucalyptus.
15 grams (or 525) heavenly blue morning glory seeds @ 0.01mg LSA per seed = 5mg LSA
30mg of DL tartaric acid
1 to 2 teaspoons of acetic acid or VINEGAR (e.g apple cider)
½ pint jar with lid
LSA to LSH
step 1: Sherry wine is the wine highest in acetaldehyde.
step 2: Very dim light / dark room: Grind 15 grams or 525 heavenly blue morning glory seeds in a coffee grinder (35 seeds per gram) using 10 second grind with occasional shaking of coffee grinder, pause 5 seconds, then grind again 10 seconds, repeat x 4 times, you will end up with a dust like consistency, all the alkaloids are extracted from within the tough rubbery embryo of the seed.
525 seeds x 0.01mg LSA per seed = 5mg LSA
Step 3: Place ground seed dust into a 1/2 pint tall jar (Walmart case of 12, canning section), add 4 shots of cold just opened fresh sherry wine from the fridge, and around 30mg of DL tartaric acid which aids the extraction (from hi media store, Amazon, auction or similar). NOTE: Do not use plain L-tartaric acid used in wine making, get the good stuff, which contains the D isomer. D-lysergic acid amide isomer salts are the potent form of salts.
And also ADD a tiny splash or 1 to 2 teaspoons of acetic acid or VINEGAR (I use apple cider vinegar)
To catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA In this case (for LSH) acetaldehyde onto the amide of LSA Or, jump to next section (for LSI): isovaleraldehyde to form LSI
The vinegar acts as an important catalyst as it contains acetic acid, and speeds the formation of new adduct product, see study below:
Re-seal your sherry wine by spraying wine preservation canister which has inert gas (contains argon, carbon dioxide, etc.) around ten dollars from Amazon into your wine before sealing with cork and placing back in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde in the wine will not oxidize to vinegar as normally happens over a 5 day period when corked without preserving.
Put lid on and shake contents for 1 to 2 minutes.
Place jar into fridge for 10 minutes after the 2 minute shaking, during this time the nauseating seed debris can be seen falling to the bottom.
Step 4: Filter entire contents of jar thru a "coffee wire filter" (Walmart or Amazon or your local grocery store) sitting atop a glass, the liquid above the seed debris will filter very fast (in seconds), then filter the debris at the bottom from the jar, once the debris is in basket, use a spoon to press down on it to get all the liquid out, this only takes around 10 seconds. NOTE: Buchner funnel with fast/slow filters will catch a lot more debris, maybe can skip Pic 5 next.
Step 5: Place this filtered liquid in the fridge for 3 hours or even overnight, within 3 hours, all of the nauseating to the intestines seed debris will have fallen to the bottom. This process begins within an hour after sitting in fridge, check each hour and watch as the seed debris falls by around an inch each hour.
Step 6: After 3 hours or longer, decant* the liquid from above the bottom 1/4" of seed debris, this is what you want to consume, it is psychedelic and results in zero nausea, as there is no seed debris in it. *Decantation is the process of separation of liquid from solid and other immiscible (non-mixing) liquids, by removing the liquid layer at the top from the layer of solid or liquid below. DO NOT DRINK the SEED DEBRIS at very bottom or you will become nauseated and sick, don't worry, there are no alkaloids in it.
Note: never try to extract your seeds using just plain acidified water, I have tried this before, your seed debris will not separate out in the fridge, and you end up with a complete emulsion in the coffee wire filter which will not filter at all, wine is needed to effect the proper extraction, and allows the liquid to separate from the seed emulsion below, this will not happen with a plane water extraction. This is how the ancient Aztec and Mayan extracted the seeds using balche, an alcohol they made themselves, see 2nd pic.
Use ice bath on your stirrer to keep wine as a combo of LSH + LSI (as LSH adduct acetaldehyde boils off at room temp, so always keep cold, to form LSI only, omit the ice bath, as LSI does not boil off till 198 degree F).
All the alkaloids are concentrated in the fridge decanted liquid above the seed debris. This contains your LSA which has adducted to the acetaldehyde in the wine, forming new amounts of LSH, since the wine is at ph=4, the new LSH adduct product will remain stable indefinitely, store in fridge if you plan to use within a few days, or you can freeze and then melt in fridge overnight to use next day. It melts fast since it is wine.
LSA to LSI
To form LSI, simply take your 4 shot morning glory wine (see above), and at this point add your 3 drops of isovaleraldehyde along with 1 to 2 teaspoons apple cider vinegar (if you don't have isovaleraldehyde then add teaspoon or more of lemon juice, or several drops of pure peppermint oil) to form new LSI molecule similar to LSD in every way. Be sure to spin for around 1 hour at high speed. I always use the pure chemical as I have it. apple cider vinegar contains the acetic acid catalyst which speeds up the adduct chemical reaction.
Notes/Comments
The ZERO NAUSEA 25g seed (800 seed) morning glory wine, simply decant and drink only what is above the 1/4" layer of particles at the bottom. The wine sits in fridge only a few hours, then all the particles fall to the bottom, and it's ready to use!
The particles at bottom are nauseating to the intestines so only drink the wine above it
Zero nausea and a fabulous psychedelic trip. You can also drink this wine with regular LSD for a trip that is WAY BEYOND normal LSD. Way more colorful, way more music enhancing, way more visual and euphoric with divine healing.
This wine can also be used for all your aldehyde experiments like making LSI, super potent, VERY similar to LSD but with a much more natural feel.
25g is the most I've ever taken...be prepared (limit yourself to 25mg), still no vasoconstriction at 25g or below.
When you use the pure chemical isovaleraldehyde at a couple drops, then 100 seeds is the equivalent of 100ug LSD, 200 seeds around 200ug of LSD. Unfortunately isovaleraldehyde is hard to get residentially. Substitute with a tablespoon of lemon juice, peppermint drops or peppermint tea instead, all sources of limited amounts of isovaleraldehyde.
CAUTION: Be careful if using HBWR seeds, which have high amounts of ergometrine which cause cramping, vasoconstriction, and even bronchial vasoconstriction when ergometrine (not LSA) is adducted with acetaldehyde and other aldehydes. If you use HBWR, just keep your dose low. Stick with morning glory seeds if possible, as they contain only trace amounts of ergometrine
cinnamaldehyde contains double the amount of hydrogens and carbons thus weak activity, isovaleraldehyde contains the exact perfect number of hydrogen and carbons making it near equivalent to diethylamine from LSD, rats respond to this number as if they had been given LSD. It's the perfect weight and chemical structure to fit receptor perfectly, an ancient and modern miracle.
“ Tartaric acid levels in ripe grapes tend to lie between 3.5 and 11 g/L and they vary according to the variety of grape” As it turns out, the wine making process produces isovaleraldehyde as well.
To form LSI, you only need a couple drops of isovaleraldehyde added to your spinning zero nausea MG shot wine along with 1 teaspoon of vinegar (the chemical catalyst which quickly forms LSI from LSA by a condensation reaction at the amide
LSI causes the same stimulation as LSD (even if you take LSI at 6pm, you will still be wide awake at 3 in the morning). Same open eyed and closed eye visuals as LSD but LSI is more colorful and more music enhancing due to it imho hitting additional adrenal receptors that LSD does not hit (such as a2a, a2b, a2c). It makes up for potency (1mg lsi = 100ug Lsd) by it's additional action at multiple receptors that dmt, mescaline, psilocin all target. In other words, it lacks the "man-made" feeling of LSD but has the warm earthy signature of all the natural entheogens found in nature.
Just remember, to form LSD, it is formed from Lysergic Acid (not LSA) and a catalyst such as the peptide coupler Pybop stirring together with diethylamine, then it is separated from the catalyst (pybop) and cleaned. To form LSH, you use LSA and an aldehyde such as acetaldehyde stirring together to form LSH (with vinegar as the catalyst as it contains acetic acid which is the chemical catalyst) or to form LSI (the closest molecule in nature to LSD) you spin LSA with drops of isovaleraldehyde together with a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar (contains acetic acid condensation catalyst) as well.
A lot of acids used there (lemon juice, vinegar) which might explain why it works with stomach acid?
But everything you are describing is still everything I've experienced with HBWR seeds (right down to the horrendous LSD/mescaline-like sleepless/restless comedown!) and I do think you'd have the same experience where you to get potent seeds take about 10 and manage to hold them down without being sick (or drinking that sick back down). If this works your way is defo 100 times better but I just have doubts that this is anything but a means by which to get these seeds into and absorbed by the system quickly. Why exactly these seeds take so many hours to kick in otherwise might be because this chemical conversion occurs naturally after a number of hours (perhaps because the sickness/lack of food/stomach acid, etc.). It is very strange why a psychedelic -very unlike all the others- would need so many hours to kick in...
I do want to try it....
Edited by wolf8312 (11/04/23 04:20 AM)
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: wolf8312]
#28528197 - 11/03/23 05:23 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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Scuba is obviously a Tregar puppet account.
Edit: too quick to judge on my behalf, scuba probably just copy pasted it all.
I tried the lemon juice with added vinegar. Experience was still just the same as normal old LSA.
And the puppet account still failed to post a simple step by step guide.
Edited by Bardy (11/03/23 06:16 PM)
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Bardy]
#28528512 - 11/03/23 11:33 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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seriously tregar I challenge you to make a post that contains only 3 paragraphs, none with more than 4 sentences, summarizing your alleged findings.
The fact that you keep posting enormous but also largely redundant and ALWAYS reference-devoid walls of text means most of the words you're writing are being read by most people.
Who would?
It would be different if your wall of text began with referenced, unspeculative, well substiated claims. But it doesn't. You come across as a crackpot who only logs in when manic from taking MAOIs with lysergamides. No offense. I've logged in while manic. But you sorta seem incapable of keeping your thoughts from rambling on into redundancy. try it out idk
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Bardy]
#28528744 - 11/04/23 08:41 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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when you simplify traeger's words, that's what you get. lol. it's a lot better to read though, right? I could have skipped the notes at the end for sure... i like the context.
he gives steps, and I mirrored those. there's still some ambiguity for sure. I was unsure to produce LSI if all steps need to be taken, or skip the LSH steps and jump to the LSI section. *shrug*
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: suba]
#28529297 - 11/04/23 04:32 PM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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suba said: when you simplify traeger's words, that's what you get. lol. it's a lot better to read though, right? I could have skipped the notes at the end for sure... i like the context.
he gives steps, and I mirrored those. there's still some ambiguity for sure. I was unsure to produce LSI if all steps need to be taken, or skip the LSH steps and jump to the LSI section. *shrug*
It’s not much better to read through, but you definitely did a better job at condensing the information. There is so much useless information there and it’s still not clear what you have to do to specifically follow his tek. He mentions that acetic acid is the catalyst like three times in there, woopdifreakindoo…
The main thing in this tek that is worth doing to my eye and in my experience trying to follow it is to extract in alcohol and filter out the seed pulp. It does reduce the nausea of the experience. All of the rest of it is questionable.
Like, how does Tregar know LSI and LSH are even forming? And how does Tregar know that LSI “hits 5 extra adrenal receptors” than LSA? Any references for these claims other than the theoretical article that Tregar linked which hypothesises adduct formation?
But yeah a simple tek would be nice so we can at least test it in good faith. I’m done with trying it because I don’t think it works… but for the sake of others who might want to try, Tregar should save them the hassle and provide simple, clear instructions so they can replicate his experiment.
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