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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] 1
#28158247 - 01/26/23 12:01 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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tregar said: HBWR seeds have no history of Shamanic use, only medical use.
No. Even that is a myth that was created by taking a line in an old publication out of context. The publication is Psychotomimetics of the Convolvulaceae (R.A. Heacock, 1975) and it states that C. pluricaulis is used as a ''brain tonic' and for treatment of some forms of insanity.' This line appears right underneath the section that talks about HBWR (A. nervosa), so someone who was skimming the document probably just took that one line and applied it to A. nervosa.
A. nervosa has also been used in ayurveda, but only the roots, which only contain a trace amount of alkaloids:
Bastāntrī consist of dried root of Argyreia nervosa
Due to the presence of very negligible amount of alkaloids in the roots these could not be isolated.
The Ayurvedic Pharmacopoeia of India, part 1, vol. 5. Government of India, Ministry of Health and Family Welfare, Department of Ayush. See pages 16 & 17.
Another source that states that the roots of A. nervosa are used in ayurveda: The Materia Medica of the Hindus, 1877, Udoy Chand Dutt, Sir George King (pg. 207)
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: s240779] 2
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2022 paper on Adduct formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide or (LSA) and aldehydes.pdf (1,187,857 bytes)
Update 2.6.2023
Have made a ground breaking discovery, as have discovered an aldehyde way beyond acetaldehyde that results in a trip very similar to LSD when this aldehyde is added to the zero nausea morning glory LSA extract and spun on a stir mantel at high speed for 1 hour, then consume.
Have added just 3 drops of this pure aldehyde from chemical supplier to the 3g (105 seeds) morning glory wine extract, unbelievable experience, will post more once I have all the details written carefully. This is NOT LSC or LSH, way beyond.
3g seeds has .01mg LSA per each seed x 105 seeds = 1mg LSA extracted into 3 shots of wine + 3 drops of this aldehyde and spun at high speed on stir mantel for 1 hour = strong LSD like effects, very similar to actual LSD in every way.
This same aldehyde has exact same molecular weight as an amino pentane that Dr. Nichols discovered when coupled to lysergic acid resulted in the rats responding to it as if it were LSD, only its 1/10th the potency of LSD, but same general psychedelic effects as LSD. This aldehyde also looks almost exactly like the tail end of psilocin, mind blowing once you see the similarity. 1mg of this LSA + aldehyde compound formed in wine to remain stable has the potency of 100ug of acid in my estimation.
This new aldehyde joins with LSA to form a compound that is around 1/10th the potency of LSD in my trials, completely blown away, will post more in 6 months, this is a magical molecule.
The molecule can be formed in wine, which has natural ph of 4.0 which is needed to create the aldehyde adduct and keep it stable until it is consumed. It's boiling point or evaporation is 201 degrees F, below the boiling point of water at 212 degree F.
A book will be coming out end of summer on this new discovery. It relates directly to Eleusis in ancient Greece, as the ancients used an entire handful of this fresh herb high in this aldehyde added to the claviceps paspali ergot powdered into wine and stirred for some time, filtered thru cloth then consumed.
I will post details only after the book is released.
Claviceps paspali infects grass and grows adjacent to Eleusis in the famous rarian plane. Claviceps paspali ergot which infects and grows on paspalum grass has the exact same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican Morning glory. LSA from the ergot + this new aldehyde adduct results in strong psychedelic effects very similar to LSD.
Most incredible zero nausea morning glory extract I've ever sampled twice already spaced 7 days apart wash out period, 1mg of this new LSA + aldehyde molecule formed in wine gave same general effects as 100ug LSD, same euphoria, stimulation, closed eye colored geometric visuals, music sounded great.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: DERRAYLD] 1
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Is the aldehyde in question cinnamaldehyde, same as whats in the pdf?
This is interesting, I might have to try this again one day. Years ago I half arsed making LSH and it just ended up feeling like good old LSA.
Thanks for posting this
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Bardy] 2
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Just had a read again of some of the old LSH threads. There doesn’t seem to be much promise with it.. most people who try it seem to end up saying it just feels like LSA, and there doesn’t seem to be any proof that anyone is actually forming and ingesting LSH.
Can I ask what makes you think this other aldehyde is different? Some people who seemingly have a decent knowledge chemistry say that the aldehydes wouldn’t attack the nitrogen. I know this one paper says different, but isn’t it making some assumptions based of anecdotal evidence from online forums?
I should add that I really wished this worked, I don’t want to be a naysayer. I tried it once or twice years ago with HBWR alcohol extract and fresh mint leaves and it didn’t feel any different to me than LSA. I probably didn’t do it right so I reckon I’ll try again sometime soon
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Bardy]
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Just for clarification, this is not LSC which uses cinnamaldehyde or LSH which uses acetaldehyde.
Hi Derrayld and Bardy, thanks for your comments. No, this is not cinnamaldehyde, if you read the attached 2022 aldehydes paper, you will find at the end of the paper that even though it was plausable that LSC was forming, LSC was found to have very weak effects, it's a hot mess due to it's very heavy molecular weight and has double the hydrogens and carbon groups of both the 3-aminopentane and aldehyde that has worked for me twice already. Cinnamaldehyde is way too large to fit into the receptor. I will say one last thing before the book is released at the end of the summer below:
From LSD and it's Lysergamide Cousins, Dr. Nichols, page 84: https://www.heffter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/chap6.pdf
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The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2
Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84.
This aldehyde discovery that works has FIVE carbon groups and 11 hydrogen just like 3-aminopentane which was found by Dr. Nichols to have activity very similar to LSD in the rat assays, as the rats reacted to it as if they had been given LSD. Anything beyond this, like cinnamaldehyde with a very high molecular weight has way too many carbons and hydrogens (almost double) and will result in weak effects.
We know from this paper that LSH or Lysergic acid hydroxethylamide does indeed reach the brain as it was found in the bloodstream and urine of two individuals who ingested the seeds, one fell backwards to his death from an apartment building, and his friend who watched it happen, both had bloodwork and urine tested by authorities:
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This paper states that "LSH" was identified in blood and/or urine samples in two individuals who ingested the seeds. This is interesting because Peter Webster alleges that LSH will immediately decompose when in the body. This paper indicates that that's not true.
Klinke HB, Müller IB, Steffenrud S and Dahl-Sørensen R, Two cases of lysergamide intoxication by ingestion of seeds, which resulted in one fatality due to falling from a building and one surviving witness. Forensic Sci Int, 2010, 197(1-3), e1-5
https://hero.epa.gov/hero/index.cfm/reference/details/reference_id/5426564
Example: Also, in the book "LSD my problem child", Albert Hoffman himself presents a color illustration of LSH, and labels it as one of the main psychedelic alkaloids of the morning glory seeds, he once again presents a molecular diagram of LSH towards the end of the book "Plants of the gods", and this illustration takes up an entire 1/2 page of the book.
Example: LSH has been shown to be active in humans at 1.6mg and above according to TIHKAL, with LSD like effects and a stimulation unlike the sedation of LSA. Dr. Glasser in the 1960's showed LSH showed significant activity in mice as well. They became active and even pressed on each other's noses.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Bardy] 1
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Bardy, there's good reason to believe that 'LSH' just converts to 'LSA' in the body: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27904186
So, even if people are converting the 'LSA' to 'LSH,' the 'LSH' might just decompose to 'LSA.'
It should be noted that there's also reason to believe that 'LSH' is biosynthesized by the fungi (these plants are bonded with an ergot-type fungi) and that 'LSA' is just a decomposition product of the 'LSH.'[1][2]
On the subject of 'lysergic acid cinnamaldehyde,' someone published an article in The Journal of Chemistry Studies stating that it would actually be lysergic acid biscinnamylidene amide, which forms from 'LSA' and cinnamaldehyde. I posted this earlier in the thread.
The Theoretical Synthesis and in silico Modelling of Lysergic Acid Biscinnamylidene Amide from the Adduct Formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide and Cinnamaldehyde. Victor Chiruta. The Journal of Chemistry Studies. 2022.
Also, tregar, can you give me an update about what I asked you about via PM?
1. The α-hydroxyethylamide spontaneously decomposes to lysergic acid amide, and the naturally-occurring amide may arise by this process. Heinz G. Floss & John A. Anderson. 'Biosynthesis of Ergot Toxins' (1980) in The Biosynthesis of Mycotoxins (Pieter S. Steyn, ed.) p. 21. doi:10.1016/B978-0-12-670650-5.50008-X
2. The following study verified that fresh seeds contain more 'LSH,' adding support for this hypothesis and confirming Internet rumors.
As has been demonstrated in this study, LSH is a labile compound, and therefore the variances in its concentration may be due to different age and storage conditions of the seeds rather than difference in plant metabolism. Indeed, seeds IT-HB2, which express highest concentration of LSH, were bought directly from the producer, whereas seeds IP-HB1 were purchased in retail stores.
Nowak J, Woźniakiewicz M, Klepacki P, Sowa A, Kościelniak P. Identification and determination of ergot alkaloids in Morning Glory cultivars. Anal Bioanal Chem. 2016 May;408(12):3093-102. doi: 10.1007/s00216-016-9322-5. Epub 2016 Feb 12. PMID: 26873205; PMCID: PMC4830885.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: s240779] 1
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Thanks for the replies guys.
This is very interesting, and I understand that you don’t want to give away the information that you’re going to put in your book… I’m still feeling a bit skeptical about it and I hope it’s not a case of - you’ll have to buy my book to find out - then whatever is stated in the book doesn’t work anyway… it’s got a hint of scam about it in my honest opinion haha, but yeah I don’t want to be a naysayer.
I really honestly hope it’s new information that works, you seem like you’ve put heaps of work into this thread and your own experiments.
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No, this is not cinnamaldehyde, if you read the attached 2022 aldehydes paper, you will find at the end of the paper that even though it was plausable that LSC was forming, LSC was found to have very weak effects
I did read that paper last night, I was pretty tired, but I didn’t read anywhere that they actually tested it. All it said was that the researcher ran it through a computer program to find out whether or not it would be bioactive. They concluded that there was weak evidence for it being active, not that it was tested and the molecule was indeed weak in effect.
Also, they never actually tested if the cinnamaldehyde adduct would even form. They just assumed it might be possible, so there isn’t really anything concrete in that paper at all from what I could see. Please tell me if I’m wrong.
And thank you for the C5H11 hint!
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Bardy]
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you are correct Bardy, you read it right.
The reaction between the LSA amide and the discovered aldehyde is a condensation reaction when spun for 1 hour at high speed on stir mantel with a tornado like vortex created, in each case of LSA + adduct condensation product I created, a small amount of acetic acid (vinegar) was added to solution to catalyze the condensations, the small amount of vinegar acts as a chemical catalyst, similar to this paper: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/ja01335a085
The created condensation product will fall apart if added to plain water, as it will only remain stable in an acidic solution around ph=4, which is how it is consumed.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] 1
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Bardy]
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In conclusion for now:
A little bit more on LSH or Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide, one of the main actives of the seeds normally, as this relates to how the new aldehyde discovery works...the fresh seeds contain around 1/4 LSH and 3/4 LSA:
Vecktor (advanced chemist like myself, from 1998):
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tregar, you have probably rediscovered something that has long been a curiosity, for example on the now defunct blacklight site there was TLC posted of morning glory seed extract treated with methanol, acetaldehyde-methanol or with acetaldehyde-methanol-water, the extract treated with acetaldehyde-methanol showed a clear difference in the alkaloid profile, with a shift to several new non polar spots which couldn't be identified. Very likely the LSA converted to LSH (LSA + acetaldehyde adduct = LSH). IIRC Erhlichs was used to develop the plates so these were indole compounds.
LSD----------------------------------------CH2CH3-----CH2CH3.....chemical formula (C20 H25 N3 0) LAE-32-----------------------------------------------H------CH2CH3.....chemical formula (C18 H21 N3 0) d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide--------------H------CHOHCH3....chemical formula (C18 H21 N3 02)
* LSH was found to form in the famous 1960's paper by Arcamone when LSA or Lysergic acid amide from claviceps paspali (this ergot grows and infects paspalum grass current day on the famous rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis in ancient Greece where the psychedelic kykeon secret formula was prepared by the priest and drunk by hundreds of initiates at one time every September for 2,000 years straight) was dunked into fermented liquor which contains the aldehyde acetaldehyde. This is recounted on page 1 and 2 in the attached 2022 LSA aldehydes paper attached on post #1.
Don't get claviceps paspali, which has the exact same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican morning glory seeds with claviceps purpurea which has black kernels, infects barley and is poisonous, and causes gangrene and limbs to fall off. Many people even mow over claviceps paspali ergot with their mower which infects paspalum grass in the states, and don't even realize it.
1) In the middle of the book "LSD, my problem child" by Dr. Hoffman, Dr. Hoffman presents a color illustration of LSH, and labels it as one of the main psychedelic alkaloids of the seeds. He once again presents a large scale molecular model of LSH towards the end of the book "Plants of the gods" and labels it as one of the main actives of the seeds. This model even takes up 1/2 page of the book. He shows it compared or side by side with a molecular model of LSD.
2) LSH or d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide is very similar to LAE-32 in TIHKAL except it has one extra oxygen atom. In human experiments in TIHKAL, LAE-32 at 1.6mg resulted in LSD like effects and a stimulation unlike the sedation of LSA.
3) Dr Glasser in 1960's in a paper published in Nature showed that when LSH was injected into mice, the mice responded as if they had been given a substance similar to LSD, they became very active and even pressed on each other's noses. Glasser A (January 1961). "Some pharmacological actions of D-lysergic acid methyl carbinolamide". Nature. 189 (4761): 313–4: https://www.nature.com/articles/189313a0
4) LSH was given to a person in 2020 and a receptorome or radioligand chart was mapped showing what receptors in the brain it hits, with many similarities to the receptors LSD hits: http://www.t3db.ca/toxins/T3D3687
When preparing LSH from LSA + acetaldehyde as given in instructions above using the discovered new aldehyde which I will disclose when book comes out, when using acetaldehyde you must remember that acetaldehyde evaporates off at room temp or right above 69 degrees F. So when spinning the solution in ph=4 wine high in acetaldehyde wine such as sherry (contains 10mg acetaldehyde per shot glass) for 1 hour with a dash of vinegar to catalyze the condensation reaction, the spinning must be done on an ice bath or in the fridge on a battery powered magnetic stirrer to keep the acetaldehyde from boiling off which happens at around 69 degree F.
Luckily, this newly discovered aldehyde when condensed or adducted onto LSA with effects very similar to actual LSD has a high boiling point right below the boiling point of water, and all this formation can be done at room temp.
When the ancients prepared this new aldehyde product with a handfull of the fresh herb high in this specific aldehyde mixed with the powdered claviceps paspali ergot in wine, they most likely also added a dash of vinegar or used wine which had been sitting out un-corked for a few days, as a portion of the wine will convert to vinegar if not sealed with an inert gas to prevent oxidation. This is actually good, as this is what they needed, wine with a tiny amount of vinegar.
When preparing the new potent condensation product from the discovered aldehyde + LSA which I will disclose at the end of summer, you must use a tiny splash of vinegar to catalyze the condensation reaction as explained in attachment, where the researchers formed new condensation aldehyde products with acetamide + chosen different aldehyde.
By the way, acetamide in the paper looks identical to the amide group on LSA which we are using.
Pic 1: chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2
diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.
Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.
Dr Nichols:
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The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD.
Pic 2: Description of 3-aminopentane by Dr. Nichols and why it is important.
Pic 3: how acetamide + new aldehyde condensation product is formed. LSA or Lysergic acid amide in the seeds has an amide group just like acetamide.
Pic 4: LSH, LSA + other minor alkaloids profile in morning glory seeds from 2016 Polish mg study, claviceps paspali ergot infects paspalum grass, and color illustration of LSH from "LSD, my problem child". Note: HBWR contains very high levels of ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction, while mg seeds contain very low levels of ergometrine, which is why mg seeds should only be used. HBWR only has history of medicinal use while MG seeds have hundreds of years of Shamanic use.
Pic 5: Molecular model of LSD compared with LSH from morning glory seeds towards end of book "Plants of the gods" by Dr. Hoffman. Also see chapter on morning glory seeds.
p.s. magnetic stirrers are cheap and can be found at auction or *mazon for less than fifty dollars.

Part II:
How to make the zero nausea morning glory liquid which is used for all aldehyde experiments, example: forming LSH from the LSA in the seeds:
Easy steps, I've used this process over a dozen times in a year period, it works:
Pic 1: Drink this LSH enhanced liquid extract at the same time you drop your LSD for an experience that is way beyond LSD, the LSH adds infinite dimensions to the normal LSD experience, like incredible (I mean phenomenal !) music enhancement, every sound in the music is "epic", infinite beauty enhancmenent, strong sensual feelings, strong neon like color saturation, flowing visuals, energy fields seen in constant motion all objects, heavy tracers, etc. These qualities LSH adds are very similar to what cactus tea adds in my experience when added to LSD.
This is most likely due to LSH hitting 5 more adrenal recpetors associated with beauty, aesthetics and sensuality beyond normal LSD, see radioligand chart for LSH. I used this potion every time I tripped, you can even add it to cactus tea by taking drinking the LSH potion 1 hour later (always stagger 1 hour so the amides do not clash with the trace maoi's in cactus, only take in that order) it's incredible.
How to make the zero nausea morning glory liquid which is used for all experiments, example: forming LSH from the LSA in the seeds:
Pic 2: How this works, from 2022 aldehydes paper, see 1960's study by Arcamone.
Pic 3: Sherry wine is the wine highest in acetaldehyde.
Pic 4: With only a lamp on in garage, no overhead bright light: grind 15 grams or 525 heavenly blue morning glory seeds in a coffee grinder (35 seeds per gram) using 10 second grind with occasional shaking of coffee grinder, pause 5 seconds, then grind again 10 seconds, repeat x 4 times, you will end up with a dust like consisteny, all the alkaloids are extracted from within the tough rubbery embryo of the seed. 525 seeds x .01mg LSA per seed = 5mg LSA
Pic 5: Place ground seed dust into a 1/2 pint tall jar (*almart case of 12, canning section), add 3.5 to 4 shots of cold just opened fresh sherry wine from the fridge, and around 30mg of DL tartaric acid which aids the extraction (from hi media store, *mazon, auction or similar). Do not use plain L-tartaric acid used in wine making, get the good stuff, which contains the D isomer. D-lyergic acid amide isomer salts are the potent form of salts.
And also ADD a tiny splash of acetic acid or VINEGAR to catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA: acetaldehyde in this case onto the amide of LSA. The vinegar acts as an important catalyst, and is needed for the formation of new product and will not form without it, see study from post above.
Re-seal your sherry wine by spraying wine preservation canister which has inert gas (contains argon, carbon dioxide, etc.) around ten dollars from *mazon into your wine before sealing with cork and placing back in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde in the wine will not oxidize to vinegar as normally happens over a 5 day period when corked without preserving.
Step 6: Put lid on and shake contents for 1 to 2 minutes, at this point you would add your discovered aldehyde 3 drops before shaking to form new molecule similar to LSD in every way. But this will not be disclosed until end of summer. With the new aldehyde discovery I will disclose at end of summer, I spin the wine on magnetic stirrer with splash of vinegar at ambient room temp with 3 drops of the discovered aldehyde for 1 hour at very high speed to form the new molecule with effects very similar to actual LSD in every way.
Place jar into fridge for 10 minutes after the 2 minute shaking, during this time the nauseating seed debris can be seen falling to the bottom.
Pic 6: Filter entire contents of jar thru a "coffee wire filter" from *almart or *amazon or your local grocery store sitting atop a glass, the liquid above the seed debris will filter real fast in seconds, then filter the debris at the bottom from the jar, once the debris is in basket, use a spoon to press down on it to get all the liquid out, this only takes around 10 seconds.
Pic 7: Place this filtered liquid in the fridge for 3 hours or even overnight, within 3 hours, all of the nauseating to the intestines seed debris will have fallen to the bottom. This process begins within an hour after sitting in fridge, check each hour and watch as the seed debris falls by around an inch each hour.
Pic 8: After 3 hours or longer, decant the liquid from above the bottom 1/4" of seed debris, this is what you want to consume, it is psychedelic and results in zero nausea, as there is no seed debris in it. DO NOT DRINK the SEED DEBRIS at very bottom or you will become nauseated and sick, don't worry, there are no alkaloids in it.
All the alkaloids are concentrated in the fridge decanted liquid above the seed debris. This contains your LSA which has adducted to the acetaldehyde in the wine, forming new amounts of LSH, since the wine is at ph=4, the new LSH adduct product will remain stable indefinately, store in fridge if you plan to use within a few days, or you can freeze and de-thaw in fridge overnight to use next day. It dethaws fast since it is wine.
Note: never try to extract your seeds using just plain acidified water, I have tried this before, your seed debris will not separate out in the fridge, and you end up with a complete emulsion in the coffee wire filter which will not filter at all, wine is needed to effect the proper extraction, and allows the liquid to separate from the seed emulsion below, this will not happen with a plane water extration. This is how the ancient Aztec and Mayan extracted the seeds using balche, an alcohol they made themselves, see 2nd pic.

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] 2
#28195294 - 02/19/23 09:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Just tried this tek today with 450 seeds on an empty stomach and I didn't feel too much of an effect. Just slight euphoria and a good mood boost. Not really any nausea so that's good. I think I didn't grind the seeds fine enough and didn't decant enough of the orange liquid off. Will try again next week most likely. I am also going to try to put the orange liquid into a smoothie using my blender because it tasted so bad. Very artificial sweet flavor with the boozy aftertaste Maybe it was because of all the tartaric acid. i wasn't able to get any of the inert wine gas so I used a vacuum wine stopper and put the bottle of sherry into the coldest part of my fridge. Do you think that is enough to keep it from going bad for a week or 2? Very excited to try again!
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: hedgehopper]
#28195692 - 02/20/23 07:34 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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hedgehopper said:
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Just tried this tek today with 450 seeds on an empty stomach and I didn't feel too much of an effect. Just slight euphoria and a good mood boost. Not really any nausea so that's good. I think I didn't grind the seeds fine enough and didn't decant enough of the orange liquid off. Will try again next week most likely. I am also going to try to put the orange liquid into a smoothie using my blender because it tasted so bad. Very artificial sweet flavor with the boozy aftertaste Maybe it was because of all the tartaric acid. i wasn't able to get any of the inert wine gas so I used a vacuum wine stopper and put the bottle of sherry into the coldest part of my fridge. Do you think that is enough to keep it from going bad for a week or 2? Very excited to try again!
The wine preservation gas from *mazon is around ten bucks and has enough gas to seal wine bottles for a months on end. Your wine should keep for 7 days without the gas. Congrats on zero nausea and your extract hedgehopper. Hedgehopper did you remember to add a tiny splash of vinegar to your jar once you decanted off the seed mush from the bottom? The acetic acid is a "chemical catalyst" necessary to propel the reaction o f LSA to LSH and LSA to mystery compound that is very psychedelic as well:
ADD a tiny splash of acetic acid or VINEGAR to catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA: Acetaldehyde in this case from the sherry wine onto the amide of LSA. The vinegar acts as an important catalyst due to it's acetic acid, and is needed for the formation of new product and will not form without it, see study from post above.
I love to prepare an extract using 15 grams (525 seeds) and drink this at the same time as taking some acid hits, adds incredible dimensions to the experience, only way I take acid is with this combination, way beyond normal LSD. You will not believe the euphoria and music enhancement, bold saturated colors, increased flowing visual power (not choppy), has many similarities to mescaline.
Try adding 2 drops of REAL PEPPERMINT OIL (not the extract in alcohol from the grocery store) along with the tiny splash of vinegar at the same time.
Once I have my orange morning glory liquid decanted from the seeds, what I do is spin it on an ice bath on a magnetic stirrer along with 2 teaspoons of vinegar and 2 drops of peppermint oil, I also prepare a peppermint tea using 2 peppermint tea bags (not mint tea bags) that come in a keep fresh foil pack, order the peppermint drops and tea prepared from 2 peppermint tea from *mazon or you can find peppermint tea at your grocery store.
To make an ice bath: fill a bowl with ice cubes, pour your morning glory liquid into measuring cup or glass and place your cup in center of bowl surrounded by ice cubes, place a magnetic stirrer in glass and spin on magnetic stirrer at high speed for 1 hour, then consume. Make sure you added your splash of vinegar and 2 drops of peppermint oil along with 4oz cup of peppermint tea. The cool temp keeps the acetaldehyde from evaporating off.
You can buy a magnetic stirrer for less than fifty dollars from *mazon or auction. If you don't have one, then just shake your jar full of morning glory liquid, 2 peppermint drops, and 2 peppermint tea prepared in 4 oz water, shake all ingredients in jar in your hand for around 2 minutes, always keep cold, store in fridge at all times with occasional shaking once per hour until you drink.
To make the peppermint tea: heat up 4oz water in microwave to around 150 to 175 degree F. DO NOT HEAT TO BOILING, or the special aldehyde in the tea will boil off or evaporate. Add 2 peppermint tea bags, let this cool down in fridge for a while, then add to your morning glory liquid.
Preparing the MG liquid this way will provide you with not only acetaldehyde (which boils off above 69 degree F, but also with the mystery aldehyde which I will disclose in book at end of summer). This mystery aldehyde is stable all the way to right below boiling point of water.
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Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.
I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.
I was the one that 2 decades ago told everyone to add peppermint oil drops and/or along with peppermint tea to their morning glory seed extract and it took off like wildfire, cause it works, just google the combination on the web and you will find hundreds of enhanced trip reports similar to the one above.
This thread is an example containing at least 3 bad ass reports if you bother to read the whole thread: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=5733
I am not 69ron but he was a friend of mine, I have no idea what happened to him.
The main thing people forgot was to add a splash of vinegar for the acetic acid that catalyzes the reaction. It's difficult to correct people when when they don't follow the proper directions.
DO NOT USE HBWR seeds, as an alkaloid will form that causes bronchial constriction from ergometrine + acetaldehyde, HBWR contain very high amounts of ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction, the amount of ergometrine in mg seeds however, is very low and trace amounts. MG seeds have hundreds of years of Shamanic use, whereas HBWR seeds only have history of medicinal use.
Sublingual HPBCD DMT Ayahuasca, my psychedelic of choice: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/page/1
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] 1
#28203700 - 02/25/23 08:50 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] 2
#28204016 - 02/25/23 12:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you for all your work, Tregar!
I'm planning on putting it to the test and giving some Heavenly Blues MG seeds the treatment you've described and seeing how she goes. It sounds like a gamechanger to me. I will try to report back with the results asap. Hopefully sometime during mid-late March/April.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28207957 - 02/28/23 10:26 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
#28208461 - 02/28/23 05:58 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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What you're saying reminds me of this person I met with lsd tattoos... He said he was a chemist, or used to be. And I asked him how to make LSD. He said Get a plastic tub and copper tubing Cut the copper tubing to be able to fit the height of the lid Fill it with rye grain Then fill it up 1/3 with everclear Wait until a mold or some type of fungus grows around the copper tubing He said it takes some time Then get that mold which he said is like white silk and put it in everclear He said this in a very enigmatic way and obviously I didn't believe him, but I've always wondered what he meant, and I think he may have been not saying everything. I don't, also, think he expected me to do it, but who knows... he was very crazy seeming. And he was about 70 years old. Ever heard of anything like that?
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28208616 - 02/28/23 07:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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That sounds like just growing the ergot fungus and making an alcoholic tincture of ergot. Similar thing to a seed extraction… definitely not a way to make LSD.
Could’ve been lying about being a chemist, or could’ve just been making up stories for fun to see if you’d believe it.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] 1
#28208627 - 02/28/23 07:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I can't help but smelling immense BS in this. And you all have the audacity to assert this is what Kykeon consists of? How exactly? None of you attempt to even try to conceive how the greeks would produce a batch of this stuff for hundreds and hundreds of people... Do you know the events at Eleusis lasted a week... There were likely thousands of people there. This theory that they had tons of claviceps fungus and they were mixing it somehow to make a psychedelic aldehyde is really nonsense and is a product of the events of the 20th century with regard to ergot. To think the Greeks were making some type of ald 52 or proto LSD is just alchemical fiction. The reality is psilocybin mushrooms have a history of thousands of years of use which the Greeks and the Romans undoubtedly knew. People give them so little credit. Check out the antikythera mechanism if you don't believe me. Nero had rooms with revolving ceilings. Pliny the Elder had documented tons and tons of plants and medicines. To think someone like that did not know of the effects of all the different mushrooms that people had taken... as well as having no insight from any library... Uh huh... They were not THAT clueless. Terence Mckenna was right: Kykeon was magic mushrooms but I don't think it was cubensis... And furthermore... It seems perfectly likely and reasonable that they had an understanding of how these mushrooms would grow, and how to make more of them grow in the forest. That seems perfectly able to be acheived, and seems much simpler than anything you ancient alchemy theorists are pushing. This is a serious subject.
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28208657 - 02/28/23 08:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I think I’m in agreement with you. It’s weird that Tregar doesn’t give us some sort of concrete evidence of what they say about the formation of aldehydes. There is no concrete evidence in this entire thread that I can see, and Tregar has posted many times at length. Seems to be all baseless claims.. and then Tregar says something along the lines of - you’ll have to buy my book to find out -
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