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--> Update: see page 16 at the end for 8.13.2023 update for 1 page easy tek with pics on how to make LSI and or the zero nausea morning glory wine: <-- https://www.shroomery.org/forum Forensic tests have shown that LSH (LSA + acetaldehyde adduct = LSH) does indeed reach the brain and was found in bloodstream and urine of 2 teenagers, so it does remain stable and reach the brain: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov Go to page 17 https://www.shroomery.org/forum The particles at bottom are nauseating to the intestines so only drink the wine above it--zero nausea and a fabulous psychedelic trip. You can also drink this wine with regular LSD for a trip that is WAY BEYOND normal LSD. Way more colorful, way more music enhancing, way more visual and euphoric with divine healing. This wine can also be used for all your aldehyde experiments like making LSI, super potent, VERY similar to LSD but with a much more natural feel. See stripper Krystle Cole's CLAVICEPS PASPALI WINE (infects distichum grass, claviceps paspali has same alkaloid profile as the sacred Mesoamerican morning glory) experience in middle of page 20 from the book "Lysergic". Todd Skinner and William Leonard Pickard were famous LSD chemists with the underground bunker. Page 20 also links video of Krystle Cole's "underground LSD palace": https://www.shroomery.org/forum -->go to the top of the page 23 and you will also find at least 10 more reports of people having excellent trips when using lemon juice for their HBWR or MG extraction...and those using wine combo with lemon juice extraction. The order of the extraction does not seem to be important: mix all at once or do in stages, I prefer to extract with wine first, then add the isovaleraldehyde or lemon juice or peppermint mixes and spin around 1 hour at high speed with a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar for the condensation catalyst to form the LSI and LSH: https://www.shroomery.org/forum -------------------------------- Other topics: Alchemy chemistry fun: Compilation of pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copeandia cyanescens trip reports, crown jewel of mushrooms: https://www.shroomery.org/forum How to extract 2.4g dmt from 170g bark using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask (heat and break resistant), post #15: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111 Tetrahydroharmine or THH and how to make her, Caapi visionary feminine teaching spirit: https://www.shroomery.org/forum Zero nausea HPBCD or aloe vera enhanced penetration Ayahuasca capsules: https://www.shroomery.org/forum Cactus tea before waterpark to beat the heat: https://www.shroomery.org/forum Make your own 1-acetaldehyde LSD at home from LSD, very similar to ALD-52 or the real orange sunshine: https://www.shroomery.org/forum LSD high dose trip: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman: https://www.shroomery.org/forum On my very first pan cyan mushroom trip, where I went to a house music club tripping with friends, I viewed laser light patterns on the floor of the club, where the women danced, I believe the mushrooms showed me how to form never before seen patterns, as went I went home, over the next several months, I built my own 6 channel audio generator that when these combined frequencies (3 on x channel and 3 on y channel) were sent to a laser x and y galvanometer, were able to produce brand new laser patterns such as collapsing circles and spinning lines 360 degrees which looked beyond belief in the fog as 3-d, I then went on to market these laser scanners to clubs on the strip, and they were a huge success...I owe this creative invention to the mushrooms which sparked new creative energies, way beyond thought, from a higher source where the mushrooms tap into. My love for house music stems back to those days of visiting many clubs as an entertainment laser lighting fixture creator and programmer and making friends with the many DJ's. Over the summer myself and friends were lifeguards at the local water park. But on the weekends we went to parties or house music clubs. https://soundcloud.com/discover https://www.friskyradio.com/ https://jaytechmusic.podbean.co 57 Ayahuasca tetrahydroharmine or thh trip reports, my archived posts at the new and old dmt nexus forum: The dmt nexus forum has transitioned to a new format, in this new format you will find my old posts (as ava69) here for anyone interested: And yes, that is me from head down, I'm a life long bodybuilder. welcome: https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/thre Sublingual Ayahuasca Journey #57 https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/thre How to make THH or tetrahydroharmine, Caapi feminine teaching spirit, in same family as ibogaine, completely legal: https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/thre Journal: 50 Sublingual HPBCD DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/thre HPBCD DMT part 2 https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/thre Receptorome study: how traditional Ayahuasca & snuffs differ from dmt https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/ Positronic Ayahuasca brewing https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/ Real Ayahuasca Jungle brew https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/ THH - Harmala Holy Grail https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/ Compilation of caapi & harmala only visions from the literature https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/ -------------------------------- 9 more papers can be downloaded here on LSH and LSI, post #11: https://mycotopia.net/topic/112 Attached File Has the Mystery of the Eleusinian Mysteries been solved .pdf 164.7KB 5 downloads Attached File DunningRobertL1956 (2).pdf 4.77MB 5 downloads Attached File 3-methylbutanal or isovaleraldehyde safety sheet, low in general toxicity after oral exposure.pdf 158.57KB 3 downloads Attached File Chapter5_Excerpt_Peppermint.pdf Attached File The LSA component of claviceps paspali forms LSH when dunked into fermented liquor (wine).pdf 3.29MB 3 downloads Attached File 2016 Polish morning glory study shows LSH and penniclavine two highest alkaloids in MG (3).pdf 1.19MB 5 downloads Attached File 5 Ergot alkaloids in morning glory just as stimulating as LSD in animal experiments, Yui and Yuji Takeo, 1958.pdf 596.64KB 6 downloads Attached File Adduct formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide or (LSA) and aldehydes.pdf 1.13MB 2 downloads Attached File Tryptophan analogues form adducts by cooperative reaction with aldehydes and alcohols or with aldehydes alone, 1992 Austin.pdf 780.97KB 2 downloads Attached File LSD and its Lysergamide Cousins by LSD scientist Dr. Nichols, Ph.D.pdf [this file is only attached to POST #7 further below of this Shroomery thread only, page 1] Vecktor (advanced chemist like myself): Quote: As stated in 1961 Arcamone attached paper: Quote: Page 8441, 1994 Austin: "Tryptophan analogues form adducts by reaction with aldehydes and alcohols or with aldehydes alone": Quote:The researchers achieved a new adduct product with or without the use of ethanol, it made no difference, you only need water acidified to around ph=4 and around a 0.1% acetaldehyde solution, and around a 3 hour soak time for 100% conversion. Sherry wine fits the bill perfectly with it's high acetaldehyde content, and low ph, which is already at ph=4, just like the study calls for. The researchers stated "the lower the PH, the faster the reaction (indole adduct formation at the NH group)." It contains the perfect amount of acetaldehyde as well, in an alcoholic medium no less. Interestingly, when a boy was found dead at the bottom of his apartment building (he fell out by accident, apparently this really does happen), they detected levels of LSH or Lysergic acid Hydroxyethylamide in his blood, and also his friend's urine and blood also had LSH who observed the death. They had both been drinking heavily and taking HBWR seeds that night. Acetaldehyde is in alcohol and may even form LSH from LSA in vitro in the liver when combined with LSA, there is no LSH naturally found in HBWR seeds, only morning glory seeds, we have no studies on this possible in vitro process but here is the actual toxicology study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V This is the paper that shows the alkaloid content of HBWR is vastly different from the alkaloid content of morning glory: Paulke A, Kremer C, Wunder C, Wurglics M, Schubert-Zsilavecz M, Toennes SW. Identification of legal highs—ergot alkaloid patterns in two Argyreia nervosa products. Forensic Sci Int. 2014;242:62–71. No high levels of stimulating LSH, agroclavine, elymoclavine, chanoclavine, penniclavine found in HBWR seeds, only in morning glory seeds. A 2014 forensics paper from Paulke found no LSH in HBWR seeds, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest minimal: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine. The researchers administered LSH to test subject in 2021, and recorded the radioligand binding data of the LSH to her brain: http://www.t3db.ca/toxins/T3D36 Also, see Glasser A (January 1961). "Some pharmacological actions of LSH or D-lysergic acid methyl carbinolamide,". Nature. 189 (4761): 313–4. Bibcode: 1961, Nature. Glasser in 1961 noticed animals became stimulated when injected with LSH. Dr. Glasser said some of the mice even stood on their hine legs and pressed on the noses of the mice in front of them, very peculiar. LSH or D-Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide is also very chemically similar to LAE-32 in TIHKAL which at 1.6mg resulted in long lasting powerful LSD like effects. The combo of penniclavine + LSH, the 2 highest alkaloids in the seeds is what results in the ultra-powerful experience, and as we all know, 2 alkaloids are more powerful than just one. Animal tests all point to LSH being an active psychedelic and it is indeed the closest thing to LSD found in nature, far closer than d-ergine. Owsley claims Hoffman himself told him that LAOH is very LSD-like. It was Gröger who first discovered LSH in the seeds, published in his 1963 paper "Über das Vorkommen von Ergolinderivaten in Ipomoea-Arten". Later also Hofmann then extracted it from the seeds. It probably was in 1967, as Heim wrote in his work from August 1967 that Hofmann said he recently extracted it from the seeds (personal communication, as they knew each other very well). LSD----------------------------- LAE-32-------------------------- d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide-----------H--- Penniclavine-------------------- More on other's LSH experiences: fastandbulbous (chem wizard from bluelight): Quote: Chemist Peter Webster who spoke at the LSD symposium: Quote:This is true LSH is unstable but will remain stable and not break down into LSA so long as it's in acidic solutions such as wine which is at ph=4. Whatchamacallit (2006): Quote: Kash: Quote: dmthead420: Quote: Norman, mycotopia, said on 16 September 2019: Quote: Update 2.6.2023 Have made a ground breaking discovery, as have discovered an aldehyde way beyond acetaldehyde that results in a trip very similar to LSD when this aldehyde is added to the zero nausea morning glory LSA extract and spun on a stir mantel at high speed for 1 hour, then consume. Have added just 3 drops of this pure aldehyde from chemical supplier to the 3g (105 seeds) morning glory wine extract, unbelievable experience, will post more once I have all the details written carefully. This is NOT LSC or LSH, way beyond. 3g seeds has .01mg LSA per each seed x 105 seeds = 1mg LSA extracted into 3 shots of wine + 3 drops of this aldehyde and spun at high speed on stir mantel for 1 hour = strong LSD like effects, very similar to actual LSD in every way. This same aldehyde has exact same molecular weight as an amino pentane that Dr. Nichols discovered when coupled to lysergic acid resulted in the rats responding to it as if it were LSD, only its 1/10th the potency of LSD, but same general psychedelic effects as LSD. This aldehyde also looks almost exactly like the tail end of psilocin, mind blowing once you see the similarity. 1mg of this LSA + aldehyde compound formed in wine to remain stable has the potency of 100ug of acid in my estimation. This new aldehyde joins with LSA to form a compound that is around 1/10th the potency of LSD in my trials, completely blown away, will post more in 6 months, this is a magical molecule. The molecule can be formed in wine, which has natural ph of 4.0 which is needed to create the aldehyde adduct and keep it stable until it is consumed. It's boiling point or evaporation is 201 degrees F, below the boiling point of water at 212 degree F. A book will be coming out end of summer on this new discovery. It relates directly to Eleusis in ancient Greece, as the ancients used an entire handful of this fresh herb high in this aldehyde added to the claviceps paspali ergot powdered into wine and stirred for some time, filtered thru cloth then consumed. I will post details only after the book is released. Claviceps paspali infects grass and grows adjacent to Eleusis in the famous rarian plane. Claviceps paspali ergot which infects and grows on paspalum grass has the exact same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican Morning glory. LSA from the ergot + this new aldehyde adduct results in strong psychedelic effects very similar to LSD. Most incredible zero nausea morning glory extract I've ever sampled twice already spaced 7 days apart wash out period, 1mg of this new LSA + aldehyde molecule formed in wine gave same general effects as 100ug LSD, same euphoria, stimulation, closed eye colored geometric visuals, music sounded great. Jump to page 11 for more: https://www.shroomery.org/forum -------------------------------- Update 3.30.2023: Lysergic acid Isovaleraldemide, LSI The aldehyde in peppermint oil and leaf is Isovaleraldehyde otherwise known as 3-methylbutanal. If you are a business or researcher you can order it directly, there are also two places that sell direct to individuals, just google it. They delivered it straight to my door, one place starts with a "*******" All you need to add is two drops of this to your LSA sherry wine liquid extract as it spins on the stir mantel for 1 hour at high speed, also must add 1 teaspoon of either vinegar or apple cider vinegar (my preference), as the acetic acid in the vinegar is the catalyst for the condensation of the isovaleraldehyde onto the LSA forming Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldehyde, see study above. There is .01mg LSA in 100 seeds (.01 x 100 = 1mg LSA), just a 100 seed extract has effects very similar to 100ug of LSD, LSI is 1/10th the potency of LSD. Immense visual power with closed eye geometrics, wild colors, music sounds bad ass, divine healing power. I have prepared an extract with 200 seeds and the strength increases similar to 200ug of acid. I have been tripping my ass off every 7 days or so taking this LSI liquid extract around 1 hour after a very small bridgesii tea prepared with only 450grams of bridgesii cactus chuncks from around the core (around 225mg mescaline), as I love the combo of cactus + LSD, this is no different. Yes, I have tried LSI many times without the cactus, super potent, highly recommend. I will be using LSI for the rest of my life. This aldehyde is completely safe and has been administered in high does to rats with no ill effects. This aldehyde as you can see from paper makes up a substantial part of peppermint oil and leaf. More on LSI: Pic 1: chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2 chemical formula for isovaleraldehyde is (CH3)2 CH2 CH2 CHO Notice isovaleraldehyde even LOOKS EARILY similar to the tale end of psilocin with nearly the same exact chemical formula as the tale end of psilocin, see pic #2 ![]() diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol. Both the 3-aminopentane and the isovaleraldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol. The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and isovaleraldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD. Dr Nichols: Quote: 3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD. How to make the zero nausea liquid morning glory extract with pics you will need for the aldehyde experiments: see post #28180455 here in middle of page 11: https://www.shroomery.org/forum See post #3 further down for two dozen morning glory trip reports. On my latest 3.30.2023: 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful. Update 4.1.2023: 9 more papers can be downloaded here, post #11: https://mycotopia.net/topic/112 Also, a lb of fresh seeds is dirt cheap from **** ******* on *mazon. They come in metallic zip lock bag, I keep them frozen at all times in freezer. See bottom of page 12 for how to use isovaleraldehyde to create LSI from LSA via condensation of isovaleraldehyde onto the LSA amide via catalytic catalyst acetic acid found in a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar, studies for this on page 12 as well = forming Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide, or you can view post #1 on page 1: https://www.shroomery.org/forum I give instructions half way down page 11 here https://www.shroomery.org/forum The hymn to Demeter states the Kykeon was composed of barley, mint, and water. This was used to prepare a psychedelic brew that was able to feed hundreds of people (300+) all at once every September for 2,000 years at the sacred ceremony at Eleusis in Greece. All were able to become initiates including women and slaves. Claviceps paspali grows on paspalum distichum grass or even some types of barley in the famous Rarian field adjacent to Eleusis even present day and contains the exact same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican morning glory. Albert Hoffman even stated that this could likely have been the entheogen they used, and could have easily fed hundreds of people like clockwork every year. They also added fresh mint or peppermint leaf to the brew and stirred it for a while. Do not get claviceps paspali ergot (orange colored) confused with claviceps purpurea ergot (black kernels) which causes gangrene and is poisonous. Pepppermint leaf contains the aldehyde ISOVALERALDEHYDE or 3-METHYLBUTANAL which has the same molecular weight, and exact same number of 5 carbons and 11 hydrogens as 3-AMINOPENTANE which was discovered by Dr. Nichols (LSD scientist) that when coupled to Lysergic acid caused almost the exact same effects as LSD when administered to the rats compared to over a dozen compounds he tested, this one stood way out among all the others. ISOVALERALDEHYDE will adduct onto the amide LSA via condensation reaction (all studies given), this aldehyde is way more potent than LSH which uses the aldehyde acetaldehyde, and way more potent than LSC which uses the aldehyde cinnamaldehyde (complete mess imho, I have no idea who came up with LSC, but it has nearly double the number of hydrogen and carbons as needed, and will not fit into the receptor site that LSD or LSI uses). LSH or D-Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide uses acetaldehyde on the amide, acetaldehyde.......C2 H4 O LSD uses diethylamine on the amide, diethylamine.................... chemical formula for entry #16 from Dr. Nichols uses....3-aminopentane...CH(C2 H5)2 chemical formula for isovaleraldehyde (used in LSI) is.............................( Also notice isovaleraldehyde even LOOKS EARILY similar to the tale end of psilocin with nearly the same exact chemical formula as the tale end of psilocin, see all pics on post #1, page 1. diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol. Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol. The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde isovaleraldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD. Dr Nichols: Quote: 3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD. How to make the zero nausea liquid morning glory extract with pics you will need for the aldehyde experiments: see post #28180455 here in middle of page 11: https://www.shroomery.org/forum See post #3 here on page 1 for two dozen morning glory trip reports: https://www.shroomery.org/forum On my latest 3.30.2023: 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful. Mentally: Deep healing head space. Special Note #1: 69ron (not me but a friend of mine from long ago, I have no idea what happened to him, but do miss him) once had a thread https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/ Special Note #2: Notice on the last pic, from the attached paper "Adduct formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide or (LSA) and aldehydes.pdf" that many amides such as acetamide which is very much identical to LSA or Lysergic acid amide will form adducts readily with aldehydes such as cinnamaldehyde forming N,N'-cinnamylidenediacetamide (ref 6) even without a catalyst (this was even proven to happen back in 1938, see ref from Academy of India Science) however I prefer to use a chemical catalyst as stated in the study pic to the right to speed up and guarantee the formation of the adduct LSI product from LSA using ISOVALERALDEHYDE, I add at least 1 to 2 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar for the acetic acid catalyst (or you can use plain vinegar) to my 3 to 4 shot sherry wine spinning zero nausea morning glory extract containing around 600 seed's worth of alkaloids, this spins for around 1 hour on a thirty dollar stir mantel (see *mazon) for an experience similar to several hits of LSD, trip report above. ISOVALERALDEHYDE boils off at 198 degree F so you don't have to worry about it evaporating off like acetaldehyde in wine does at 69 degree F, however you can spin all this on an ice bath on the stir mantel to keep the sherry wine's acetaldehyde from evaporating off, this way you will get a liquid extract in the end with a mixture of LSH + LSI. How much of each is anyone's guess. To make an ice bath, put your mg liquid extract jar in the middle of a bowl surrounded by ice cubes and place this on your stir mantel with a stir bar in the center of the jar, spin for 1 hour, then consume, see post in middle of page 11 for pics with easy directions: https://www.shroomery.org/forum If you want only LSI (my preference) then spin the liquid sherry mg extract along with the 1 to 2 teaspoon apple cider vinegar or regular vinegar with the 2 plus drops of isovaleraldehyde (depending on how much LSA you extracted) AT ROOM TEMP (>70 degree F) so the acetaldehyde in the wine will evaporate off as it stirs on the stir mantel for 1 hour, but the isovaleraldehyde will remain in solution forming LSI. Note: DO NOT ATTEMP to extract your morning glory seeds with water instead of wine or you will get a giant emulsion which will not separate, in other words you won't get a liquid to use (to decant) above the seed debris you don't want that forms a 1/2" layer at the bottom, just like the pics on page 11. If you don't have the pure ISOVALERALDEHYDE chemical, to make the peppermint tea: heat up 4oz water in microwave to around 150 to 175 degree F. DO NOT HEAT TO BOILING, or the isovaleraldehyde in the tea will boil off or evaporate as this happens at 198 degree F. Add 2 twinings brand peppermint tea bags, let this soak and cool down in fridge for a while, then add this when cool along with 2 drops of peppermint oil to your morning glory liquid extract. Then spin all of this together for 1 hour, then consume. Do not use the cheap grocery store peppermint alcohol extract, instead buy real Peppermint oil max dosage: Adults: 0.2 to 0.4 mL (4 drops to 8 drops max for adults, DO NOT EXCEED, see last pic): https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/i last pic: I will post my bottle of isovaleraldehyde when I am back in town 2 weeks from now. But this is the aldehyde that will give you real LSD like effects and stimulation, 2 drops is all you need. Isovalderaldehyde has nearly the exact same chemical formula as the tail end of DMT or psilocin: CHO CH2 CH2 2(CH3), and nearly the same molecular weight 87g/mol as LSD's diethylamine at 73 g/mol. Both isovaleraldehyde from the Greece Eleusis kykeon peppermint and 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols have exactly 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehye attaches to one of the H already at the amide of LSA). Very similar to LSD's diethylamine which has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups. See post above with the pics and study from LSD scientist Dr. Nichols as to why Rats respond to this number of carbons and hydrogens on the LSA amide as if it is real LSD. This is ANCIENT LSD, it was hypothesized to form from ground claviceps paspali ergot which grows on paspalum distichum grass in the famous Rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis (same safe alkaloid profile as Mesoamerican morning glory high in LSA) that is mixed with a handful or large amount of fresh peppermint leaves for a while in wine. This could very well be the famous Kykeon psychedelic brew, formula kept secret for 2,000 years by the priests, able to easily feed over 300 hundred people (new initiates) like clockwork every Sept. LSA --> potent LSI, it is indeed possible and works extremely well. When people trip off ergometrine (highest "active" alkaloid in HBWR), they are experiencing trips as detailed in this report by Bigwood, note the lack of euphoria and extreme vasoconstriction and cramping, most considered it to not be psychedelic, HBWR also contains high levels of LSA which is sedating. 3 experimenter's effects when ingesting pure ergonovine, another name for ergometrine (found in HBWR), June 1979 Journal of Psychedelic Drugs, morning glory contains very low levels of ergometrine at only .03% whereas HBWR seeds contain .17% (quite high), ergometrine causes cramping and vasoconstriction, see below: Quote: LSA adducts: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki In closing, a recent report from itBeBasidia who tried the LSH method detailed here using cotton ball filtering before I transitioned to the easier current "let the fridge do all the work and filtering" method: ItBeBasidia Posted 14 December 2020, he posted in the "morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD like drugs, soluble in alcohol or wine, only slightly soluble in water" thread at Mycotopia: Quote: Yet another reason to extract with acidic water such as wine or water acidfied with lemon juice or DL tartaric acid, as most of these very stimulating clavines are only very slightly soluble in plain water: From "The Alkaloids: Chemistry and Physiology", page 32: -------------------------------- "Penniclavine and Agroclavine are readily soluble in organic acids, penniclavine and agroclavine are stable to acids", wine stands as one of the sources of organic acids. Page 33 "Elymoclavine is only somewhat soluble in water". Peter Webster states in "Sacred Mushrooms of the Goddess, the Secrets of Eleusis" in the morning glory chapter that Chanoclavine is soluble in alcohol. From the 1957 paper "Extraction and Identification of Clavine and Lysergic acid alkaloids from morning glory": -------------------------------- All members of the excitor group produced in all test animals a syndrome of central sympathetic excitation and elicited a stimulation of spontaneous activity. In this group, elymoclavine was the most potent stimulant and next come agroclavine, triseclavine, penniclavine, and LSD which are almost equipotent, as judged by the degree of symptoms exhibited in the same dose. The arousal effect of elymoclavine or agroclavine on reserpine-sedation was superior to that of LSD. Animal experiments have shown that penniclavine, elymoclavine, lysergol, LSD and several other ergot alkaloids such as agroclavine, triseclavine, and lysergene have excitory effects on the central nervous system (Note 1: Yui & Takeo, 1957) as well as lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (LSH) which also excites the central nervous system in animals (Note 2: Glasser, 1961). There is also an interesting on-line interview with the LSD chemist Bear Owsley where he hits on a derivative of LSD that the ancients may have discovered and prepared for the Eleusis mystery quoted here: -------------------------------- Owsley: Claviceps paspali ergot, same alkaloid profile as morning glory contains many natural, highly psychedelic alkaloids. Iso-ergine is one of them, Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide or LSH is another one, and in fact, is considered nearly identical to LSD in effect. Albert Hoffman told me so himself. They believe that it was this derivative contained in extracts of c.paspali which grows on certain grass that was used in the Eleusian Mysteries. -------------------------------- I've extracted into a couple shots of wine at least 2 dozen times, the wine captures all the alkaloids, and zero emulsion, whereas extractions with water never have worked for me, always a giant emulsion that never separates. Note: never try to extract your seeds using just plain acidified water, I have tried this before, your seed debris will not separate out in the fridge, and you end up with a complete emulsion in the coffee wire filter which will not filter at all, wine is needed to effect the proper extraction, and allows the liquid to separate from the seed emulsion below, this will not happen with a plane water extration. This is how the ancient Aztec and Mayan extracted the seeds using balche, an alcohol they made themselves, see 2nd pic. Instructions half way down page 16 with pics: https://www.shroomery.org/forum Check out the super high levels of the CLAVINE called PENNICLAVINE (stimulating and most likely psychedelic according to 2 studies) found in heavenly blue morning glory seeds, also see high levels of LSH detected: attached: "several alkaloids in morning glory found just as stimulating as LSD in animal experiments" follow mycotopia link at beginning of thread for paper. Edited by tregar (02/14/24 04:14 PM)
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Interesting. Do you think this tek would work with HBWR seeds as well?
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Quote: No you do not want to really use HBWR seeds. You can use HBWR seeds, but please keep the dose low as there is a lot of ergometrine in HBWR seeds that cause cramping and vasoconstriction, MG has only traces of it. It's a balancing act if you use HBWR seeds, but they will work. 2016 Polish morning glory study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm In closing: morning glory compared with HBWR: Please keep in mind that HBWR has high levels of ergometrine, causes cramping and vasoconstriction, ergometrine levels in morning glory for comparison is very low. Also, HBWR has no history of Shamanic use, whereas morning glory seed usage goes back several hundreds of years. HBWR only has history of medicinal use. HBWR also has high levels of LSA, very sedating and not really all that psychedelic at all. But yes, all studies published after 2011 indicate that no LSH has been found yet in HBWR. Interestingly, when a boy was found dead at the bottom of his apartment building (he jumped out, apparently this really does happen), they detected levels of LSH or Lysergic acid Hydroxyethylamide in his blood, he had also been drinking heavily and taking HBWR seeds that night. Here is the actual toxicology study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov hxxps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ Remember, LSH is just a labile (unstable) adduct of LSA + acetaldehyde which can remain stable in acidic solutions, for example: outside the body in ph=4.0 cold fresh just opened sherry wine solution (under 70 degree F so the acetaldehyde does not boil off), and sherry is high in acetaldehyde. And you have to seal off the wine with a ten dollar wine preservation canister of inert argon gas (from *mazon with enough gas to last years of sealing) you shoot into the bottle, before placing back into the fridge, to keep the acetaldehyde from decomposing to vinegar via oxidation. Keep cold at all times. Whether this forms outside the liver as well as within is a whole nother discussion. This is the paper that shows the alkaloid content of HBWR is vastly different from the alkaloid content of morning glory: Paulke A, Kremer C, Wunder C, Wurglics M, Schubert-Zsilavecz M, Toennes SW. Identification of legal highs—ergot alkaloid patterns in two Argyreia nervosa products. Forensic Sci Int. 2014;242:62–71. No high levels of stimulating LSH, agroclavine, elymoclavine, chanoclavine, penniclavine found in HBWR seeds, only in morning glory seeds. A 2014 forensics paper from Paulke found no LSH in HBWR seeds, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest minimal: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine. Sandgrease: Quote: Nogal: Quote: attached: from the Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants by Ratsch, Aztec and Mayan: morning glory are usually added to alcoholic drinks. -------------------------------- Explanation on how this LSH Tek works: --> If you follow this link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov Answers to Swza's questions below: 1) You don't have to take it from me or itbebasidia, more proof this extract work, YES, you must use this LSH Tek or the leftover LSA in the seeds will not convert to LSH via attraction/condensation reaction with the acetaldehyde in the cold wine. This has been proven to happen in over 4 papers. 2) This LSH Tek will restore the leftover LSA in the seeds to it's previous very high LSH glory, when the seeds are picked fresh off the vine, and the acetaldehyde levels within the seeds are still very high. Remember, acetaldehyde is a volatile compound. With this Tek, the LSH will again reach peak levels just like the high levels of penniclavine in the seeds, important combo teamwork between the 2 highest alkaloids in the seeds which hits 6 more receptors than even LSD, see post above for pic of this. 3) After I hammer the heck out of the seeds in between a folded over paper plate on concrete, then add the debris to a coffee grinder, I also powder the seeds in the grinder for no more than 10 seconds at a time to reduce heat just like Stretchman did below...and grind it to a fine powder just like Stretchman did, with shaking of the grinder while grinding to mix it all up. 4) Yes, use the freshest seeds you can find, and store them in a vacuum bag in the freezer using a vacuum sealer...I buy direct from the grower/producer, tremendous savings, but even if the seeds are old this Tek will restore the leftover LSA back to LSH. Penniclavine in the seeds is very stable as is the LSA. The LSH breaks down over time and heat, but like I said you can restore the LSA to LSH using this Tek. S240779, that reddit poster was totally incorrect. We have several papers proving LSA or Lysergic acid amide forms adducts with the volatile acetaldehyde compounds, see 2022 paper below, or the 1961 paper by Arcamone (4rth paper below) which proved LSA forms LSH when dunked into fermented liquor (wine). The 2022 paper even links a paper from 1936 showing this happens, see the references. As a chemist, it is my job to read research papers. Don't get this confused with "Lysergic acid" which needs a coupler like pybop to link diethylamine to lysergic acid to form LSD. This is completely different, this is LSA or "lysergic acid amide" in the seeds which easily forms adducts with aldehydes in the prescense of alcohol or without, as shown in 1994 paper below, #3. Please don't do a methanol extraction! If you do a methanol extraction, and evaporate it, the LSH will convert back to LSA, as LSH is ONLY stable in acidic solutions such as wine else it decomposes to LSA as the acetaldehyde evaporates off at room temp or 70 degree F. This was proven in the 2016 Polish morning glory study or paper #2. This is precisely why water extractions of morning glory seeds are sedating and not very psychedelic at all, the LSH which was once in the seeds will fall apart and decompose to the sedating LSA once it hits plain water (see 2016 Polish morning glory for a photo of the decomposition of LSH to LSA in plain water or under microwaved extraction conditions). This is why the ancient Aztec and Mayan always extracted into liquor or Balche (beer they made). See post #2 above for pic of how the ancient natives did it using alcohol, from the "Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" by Christian Ratsch in the morning glory chapter. I'm a life long chemist and can argue this all day. Remember, LSH or Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide is a LABILE compound, or unstable, and will only remain stable in cold acidic solutions such as cold sherry wine which is high in acetaldeyde, else it decomposes to LSA in plain water or when evaporated off. This is very important to remember. Has anyone ever gotten high off the evaporated morning glory solid extract shown in the Anarchist cookbook? No, and that's why: all the LSH decomposed to the sedating LSA. Vecktor (advanced chemist like myself): Quote: Wanted to comment on something itbebasidia reported as well with the extract: On my latest 3.30.2023: 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful. You don't even have to take my word or vecktor's word or any of the several research paper's word for this, take a look at the way LSD chemist Todd Skinner used to prepare claviceps paspali in wine to form LSH from any leftover LSA in the ergot found growing on paspalum distichum grass. He knew the secret as well, he probably based his wine extracts on the work of Arcamone, 1961 on 4rth paper above. Claviceps paspali ergot contains the exact same alkaloid profile as the powerful Mesoamerican morning glory according to LSD discoverer Albert Hoffman and chemist Peter Webster. Krystle Cole from the book "Lysergic": Quote: Krystle Cole's "ergot wine" experience (several pages long) in the book "Lysergic", reported that she saw constantly rotating holographic Sanskrit or Arabic & Zodiac symbols, floating in a circle around Todd's head. Even LSD chemist prepared claviceps paspali ergot in wine. He must have known the secret of acetaldehyde adduction to form LSH in the wine from the leftover LSA in the ergot. LSD chemist often use claviceps paspali ergot to make LSD. They will boil all the extracted alkaloids in a solution of ph=10 potassium hydroxide in the ergot under nitrogen inert atmosphere under low light conditions to convert to Lysergic Acid, and then couple diethylamine to the lysergic acid to form LSD using the modern PyBop peptide coupling agent. The above report is important, and it shows that LSD chemist such as Todd Skinner and friends have been having very strong psychedelic experiences using wine infusions of claviceps paspali ergot which grows on paspalum distichum L. grass. Many often mow it and don't even realize it. This same ergot grows on affected grass on the famous Rarian plain next to Eleusis, where the kykeon was drank by hundreds of people in the psychedelic ceremony. Wine soaked Ergot could have easily fed hundreds of people. This ceremony went on for 2,000 years. The claviceps paspali ergot contains the exact same alkaloid profile as the powerful Mesoamerican morning glory. The kykeon brew is the active ingredient of the potion, most likely a wine potion containing the claviceps paspali ergot which grows on the paspalum distichum L. grass in the Rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis, where the psychedelic ceremony was held for hundreds of people. The priest administering the brew to the people need only ground up the ergot and add it to wine. It was most likely LSH + penniclavine found in the claviceps paspali ergot which inspired the great philosophers, mathematicians, scientists, artists, architects and poets of ancient Greece who we recognize as the progenitors of Western civilisation, the sacrament which was revelation for these greatest of the greats was an analogue of LSD: A naturally-produced lysergic acid alkaloid whose effects were identical to those of that "greatest of all evils," that "diabolical drug which destroyed a generation," that "fly now, die later drug," that "greater threat to the nation than the Vietnam War," (to quote merely a few of the more tame epithets that have been hurled at the revered sacrament of Eleusis in its newly discovered form.) The annual autumn celebration at Eleusis in ancient Greece was a most important and spiritually enlightening event, as the writings of a great number of famous names of Greek antiquity testify, such as Plato, Socrates. The 9-day ceremony known as the Greater Mysteries was one of the most important events of the Greek religious calendar, and it was celebrated every year for nearly two thousand years. The constant and essential use of the psychedelic sacramental beverage consumed during the final day of the Greater Mysteries, the KYKEON, indicates that it was as necessary to Eleusis as the sacramental bread and wine have been for the two millennia of Christian worship. The central mystery of the Eleusinian mysteries pertains to the nature of the kykeon—the psychedelic mixture drunk by initiates at the autumnal Eleusinian festival. It was no doubts of palpable nature, so that something was drunk in the telesterion in reality and not only in effigy as some historians supposed. This is well supported by the infamous scandalous event that took place in 415 B.C. when the powerful political and military leader of Athens Alkibiades stole the kykeon at Eleusis and entertained by it himself and his friends. Another conclusion can be inferred from this incident: the ingestion of the kykeon must have been a pleasant and therefore sought-after experience. This was confirmed by many writers of antiquity who participated at the mysteries, and to my knowledge there are no reports on bad trips in the ancient texts that have been preserved. LSH or Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide hits the 2 receptors 5-ht2b & 5-ht2c below + 9 other receptors, if you follow: http://www.t3db.ca/toxins/T3D36 -------------------------------- Below, you will see that others way before me were using cold wine and alcohol extracts of the morning glory seeds with added DL tartaric acid to achieve strong trips, but you will want to add several shots of cold sherry wine to allow the LSA to adduct to the acetaldehyde in the wine to form stable LSH...here are several examples below: chemist Peter Webster, who spoke at the LSD symposium, page 182 (morning glory chapter) of "Sacred Mushrooms of the Goddess, Secrets of Eleusis" May 2006) Quote: chemist Peter Webster, page 6 "Mixing the Kykeon" Quote: chemist Peter Webster, page 4 "Mixing the Kykeon" Quote: Stretchman's morning glory extract from the now defunct Lycaeum: Quote: vespiary: Quote: The morning glory seeds the ancient Aztec and Mayans extracted into alcohol or balche (see photo of this in post #2 above) were used more extensively than even mushrooms or peyote: "Psychotomimetics of the Convolvulaceae morning glory", page 93: Quote: Jonathan Ott "Pharmacotheon": Quote: A few morning glory trip reports from the archives, now take these trip reports below and multiply the effects several times once you prepare a proper LSH tek as detailed in this thread: Erowid report: ------------------- 400 older dried seeds is similar to a little less than one hit LSD. 400 fresh off vine is like about 2 or three hits. 2016 Polish morning glory study found 3x higher amounts of LSH in MG seeds direct from grower/producer vs retail: -------------------------------- seeds direct from growers: 1.71 LSH to 5.08 penniclavine ratio seeds off retail racks: 0.54 LSH to 4.75 penniclavine ratio -------------------------------- My comment, use the LSH Tek in this thread and it will convert any leftover LSA in the seeds back to it's previous very high LSH glory, the LSH levels can then reach the same peak levels as the high penniclavine in the seeds, it will be just like fresh picked seeds off the vine, when the LSH and penniclavine levels were both ultra-high. They can both reach 5.00 this way. Sandoz Labs: ---------------- The table from Sandoz suggested that ALD-52 might actually have advantages over LSD, reducing any side effects but achieving a stronger trip. Measurements of brain waves while people were taking the two drugs showed that while LSD produced brain waves associated with intense concentration and anxiety, ALD produced brain waves showing a more relaxed mental state. -------------------------------- My comment: the morning glory extract has many similarities to ALD-52 (also discovered by Albert Hofmann) as it has none of the anxiety or thought confusion of LSD, completely natural, more in line with ALD-52. This LSH Tek tincture is even similar to the Erowid morning glory FAQ tincture by trackman https://erowid.org/plants/morni ...and added 30mg DL tartaric acid (*bay or *mazon) not only increase extraction efficiency of the alkaloids from the seeds but also stabilizes the freebase alkaloids found in the rubbery embryo of the seeds by turning them into the stable D tartaric salt so they are stable to bright light (else the LSH could decompose back to LSA), this salted D-form isomer also greatly increases stomach absorption. However, unlike the Erowid MG Faq by trackman, do not use petroleum ether for the 1st step, it is not needed and was only originally used by scientist and researchers who needed to remove the tiny amounts of fats from the seeds so that they would not interfere with the CHROMOTOGRAPHY ANALYSIS of the seed extract to determine how many alkaloids of each kind were in the seeds to write papers for science journals, this step is absolutely NOT needed when you are preparing a tinture for psychedelic consumption. Skip straight to the alcohol extract. From the Erowid MG Faq: "Your voyage will last the standard 8 hours. The morning glory experience is clean, pure, intense and particularly enjoyable out of doors in the daytime (drink at dawn). This is the preferred hour for the flower and seems to be preferred for its tincture as well (this is coming from a confirmed). Night trips are cool too, but the sun does interesting things in the daytime. With this tincture, you get a complex of various lysergic acid alkaloids which are psychoactive to varying degrees in isolation, but which taken together produce a full blown psychedelic experience no less powerful than that produced by LSD." Red22: "This paper states tha "LSH" was identified in blood and/or urine samples in two individuals who ingested the seeds. This is interesting because Peter Webster alleges that LSH will immediately decompose when in the body. This paper indicates that that's not true. Klinke HB, Müller IB, Steffenrud S and Dahl-Sørensen R, Two cases of lysergamide intoxication by ingestion of seeds, which resulted in one fatality due to falling from a building and one surviving witness. Forensic Sci Int, 2010, 197(1-3), e1-5." Page 515 "Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" Christian Ratsch: -------------------------------- The fresh or dried morning glory seeds normally were added by the Aztec and Mayan to alcoholic drinks (sugarcane liquor; c. alcohol), tepache (maize beer, chicha), and balche' (Schultes 1941, 37). TIHKAL: ------- LSH = D-Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide in the seeds is chemically similar to LAE-32, in which human experiments were done, at 1.6mg it was stimulating & "LSD like". Glasser: ------------- Glasser in 1961 noticed animals also became stimulated when injected with LSH. Dr. Glasser said some of the mice even stood on their hine legs and pressed on the noses of the mice in front of them, very peculiar. From the 1957 paper "Extraction and Identification of Clavine and Lysergic acid alkaloids from morning glory": -------------------------------- All members of the excitor group produced in all test animals a syndrome of central sympathetic excitation and elicited a stimulation of spontaneous activity. In this group, elymoclavine was the most potent stimulant and next come agroclavine, triseclavine, penniclavine, and LSD which are almost equipotent, as judged by the degree of symptoms exhibited in the same dose. The arousal effect of elymoclavine or agroclavine on reserpine-sedation was superior to that of LSD. Animal experiments have shown that penniclavine, elymoclavine, lysergol, LSD and several other ergot alkaloids such as agroclavine, triseclavine, and lysergene have excitory effects on the central nervous system (Note 1: Yui & Takeo, 1957) as well as lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (LSH) which also excites the central nervous system in animals (Note 2: Glasser, 1961). There is also an interesting on-line interview with the LSD chemist Bear Owsley where he hits on a derivative of LSD that the ancients may have discovered and prepared for the Eleusis mystery quoted here: -------------------------------- Owsley: Claviceps paspali ergot, same alkaloid profile as morning glory contains many natural, highly psychedelic alkaloids. Iso-ergine is one of them, Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide or LSH is another one, and in fact, is considered nearly identical to LSD in effect. Albert Hoffman told me so himself. They believe that it was this derivative contained in extracts of c.paspali which grows on certain grass that was used in the Eleusian Mysteries. "The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" (2005) by Christian Ratsch: -------------------------------- According to Schuldes, a low dosage consists of 20 to 50 seeds, a moderate dosage of 50 to 150, and a high dosage of 300 seeds or more; only with moderate to high dosages was he able to observe LSD-like effects (Schuldes, 1993, 86f.*). 300 crushed or ground seeds is said to correspond to approximately 200 to 300 ug of LSD (Rob Montgomery, pers. comm.; Veit 1993, 548). The LD 50 of the isolated alkaloids is said to lie between 164 and 214 mg/kg in rats and between 1 and 2 g for humans. Hermes (Lycaeum): -------------------------------- With a 400 morning glory seed extract into cold distilled water with a squirt of lemon juice, I see amazing three and seemingly four-dimensional shapes morphing and bifurcating. Often I get religious and esoteric themed visuals, like fractal cherub wings and winged eyes like those in some of Alex Grey's work. Eyes are all over everything! I see pyramids and sphinxes and Gigeresque biomechanical forms. I see amazing geometric lattice structures. I watch mathematical space-filling algorithms doing their thing. I also find that I can control the imagery by an act of will. Anything I intend to visualize comes forth and then goes beyond what I had imagined and then transforms into something else. This is great for artists! I could swear that on one occasion while listening to Mozart's Requiem, Heaven itself opened up inside my skull! It was incredible! OH, THE BEAUTY! I saw glorious celestial architecture and there were seraphs singing along with the chorus in the music. I just can't even begin to describe what this was like. I had tears streaming down my face. I was in the highest ecstacy I have ever known. And all of this with a nothing more than a good mindset, good music, and only about 500 seeds. I'll never forget it. It was probably all in my imagination, programmed by my Catholic upbringing. I don't know and don't really care where it came from. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever experienced, and I still feel great joy when I think of it. I felt so whole! My comment: Lemon juice also contains ISOVALERALDEHYDE just like peppermint leaf. Piper methysticum (bluelight): -------------------------------- Morning Glory seeds are definitely the most euphoric psychedelic I've ever taken during the onset and the first part of the peak. Not even a strong dose of MDA could compete with the euphoria I felt from 12g of Morning Glory seeds. However, the comparison of LSA alkaloids to MDA is ridiculous. The visuals from Morning Glory seeds are quite inconsistent for me. The first time I tried them, at 9g, the visuals were very dull, but the mental and physical aspects were awesome. My second time at 12g, the visuals were beyond amazing. I got the feeling of being completely in a warp through time and visuals were flying past me and unimaginable speeds. A couple of my unexperienced friends were talking about the tracers they were seeing at the same time this was happening to me. I had to laugh. With just 6g my third time, I also had some pretty amazing visuals, though they weren't nearly as mind blowing. bluedolphin: -------------------------------- Nah I get some impressive visuals off around 200 seeds. I've even had kaleidescopic vision from ~225 seeds. Granted I tend to get more visuals than most people, but at your dose I'm not surprised at all that you had some strong visuals." DJAngrE: -------------------------------- oh hell yeah, i've had major kaleidoscopic vision (but only when i close my eyes) i've actually had the strongest OEVs of any drug i've tried including mushrooms... LSA is the best music drug in my opinion, next time maybe take a couple hits of weed (with a much smaller dose of seeds of course) i promise it'll be just as sweet. MrNice: -------------------------------- Im pretty lucky with MG seeds, my highest dose was 500 and even then i didnt get any nausea or leg cramps. I normally stick to around 250, i'll get a nice 7hr trip from them...the best way i can describe how i feel on them is serene. Everything feels so good, colours are brighter, music sounds richer, best music drug in my opinion, plus their cheap & easy to get hold of. Usually have an LSA trip about once a week. One of the best effects is that you dont seem to get a comedown with them, its more of an afterglow. Your not tripping but you feel really relaxed and content. GoaM: -------------------------------- Man. A friend of mine sent me some morning glory seeds. I did 17 grams last night. Well anyway, the shit hit HARD after a few hours. Fuck man. I'm talking colors, fractals, hardcore patterning. This stuff is great. I LOVE LSA. It's great stuff, and the colors are very beautiful. genaro: -------------------------------- well I have had quite a few visuals (both CEVs and OEVs) from morning glory (15-30g which is 500 to 1000 seeds)...which was THC free in quite a few cases. On my very first trips with these (let's say the first 3-8 trips) there was no "trip routine" and I could get very nice OEVs such as very nice and brightly coloured Kalaeidoscopeic/vortex stuff all over the walls of my room, beautiful. Mxindustry sheep: -------------------------------- I once purchased a very good (very potent) batch of heavenly blue seeds. Open and close eye visuals 200 seeds. ~erebus: -------------------------------- I have yet to try HWBR but I have some experience with morning glory seeds. I had the most intense trip I've ever had with them, strangely enough. Time perception was heavily distorted, and all I remember thinking was "WOW". My vision was completely filled with geometric patterns, much like you would find on a tiled floor with patterns. thefungalfiend: -------------------------------- I've taken large amounts of morning glory, and can definitely attest to their ability to produce visuals. Rich, complicated visuals. Take more. Erowid doses are all wrong on this. It saids 10g is a Strong dose? That's just getting started. That's why no one feels these things, because no one is taking enough. The best trip I had on them was with 25 grams. innatebeat: -------------------------------- I've never really gotten a clear idea of how good LSA really is. Finally I tried it and had AMAZING results.I honestly felt a genuine happiness, a need to better myself, and finally was able to say goodbye to some harsher substances I'm into...If any of you guyz have been thinking of giving LSA a try I definetly recommend it, I'm no NOOb either, I've had my share of psychedelics and this one has got to be at the top of my list, simply because its natural...I even liked it better than fungus... Psychedelics_r_best: -------------------------------- The only time I had a marvelous LSA experience was with about 500 seeds, It was amazing. Like nothing else I've ever tried. Visuals and all. dilated_pupils: -------------------------------- I did 10 grams (appox. 300 seeds) of Morning Glory Heavenly Blues. It was just amazing, intense visuals, morphing, tracers, my mind was going insane. I had a great time! xxanxx: -------------------------------- I usually use about 15-20 grams MG seeds and smoke a joint or two--great trip, more powerful than any acid I've taken! morningloryseed (bluelight): ---------------------------- Unlike most alkaloids, LSA is water soluble when it is in its natural, freebase state...the way it is found in the seeds. it is a rare, exception to a rule because by simple definition, alkaloids are very alkaline or basic when in their freebase form as they normally occur in plants. Thus, they do not dissolve well into water. Most likely, many of the other ergoline akaloids probably are not water-soluble in their freebase form and thus are not extracted from the ground seed matter when a "tea" is made. or they get dissolved into the non-polar solvent used when an A/B extract is performed and they are thrown away. Thus, extracts have a different mix of alkaloids and that is why the trip from A/B extracts or a "tea" of m. g. seeds feels so different than that of the whole seeds. In my vast experience with eating the seeds, and taking extracts, the trip that results is not as good. And I've taken the seeds more than any other psychedelic, except LSD and marijuana. I find them much more narcotic/sedative-like in nature and the effects are really nothing like that which I get from EATING the seeds. The fact that teas or other extracts feel very different from the trip of the whole seed has also been noted by everyone I've shared m.g. seed tea with, and is a comoon thing reported in trip reports. So this is definitely not a phenomena that I am alone in feeling. Many, many, many people IM or email me with morning glory seed questions and most of them who have tried both have also noted that extracts are not as psychedelic and nowhere near as potent as eating the whole seeds. The seeds do cause nausea and vomiting (as many other psychedelics like ayahuasca, mescaline, ibogaine, etc.) but a purge, I feel great. Like I said, I think the seeds are one of the best psychedelics, and I have tried quite a number of different ones. Extractions such as a simple morning glory "tea", or the more complicated A/B extraction, will give you a mixture of different LSA's than those found in the whole seeds. It is the combination of all the ergoline alkaloids in the seeds that make you trip. The main alkaloid is the mostly sedating LA-111, but many others (up to a dozen or so) including d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (closest molecule to LSD found in nature), are known to occur in the seeds. Together, they have a synergestic efffect and produce a very different kind of experience from pure LA-111. It is (in my opinion) a great trip. One of my favorites. Of course the trip from seeds is very different from LSD. But because it is different than LSD does not mean it is not as good. I think they are both very useful. Some of my most meaningful trips have been with natural lysergic acid amides. -------------------------------- My comment on this, please don't eat the seeds, this will cause intense nausea, several teens even ended up in the emergency room after eating the seeds. The ancient Aztec and Mayan never ate the seeds, they extracted into balche, a beer they made. The alcohol extract will extract all the alkaloids from the seeds so you don't have to eat them, zero nausea. The cold liquid extract will give you trips as powerful as morningloryseed experienced and beyond. Example page from Merck on penniclavine and agroclavine (found in morning glory seeds): -------------------------------- penniclavine and agroclavine are soluble in ethanol, chloroform, pyridine, soluble in benzene and ether, very little water soluble. From "The Alkaloids: Chemistry and Physiology", page 32: -------------------------------- "Penniclavine and Agroclavine are readily soluble in organic acids, penniclavine and agroclavine are stable to acids", wine stands as one of the sources of organic acids. Page 33 "Elymoclavine is only somewhat soluble in water". Peter Webster states in "Sacred Mushrooms of the Goddess, the Secrets of Eleusis" in the morning glory chapter that Chanoclavine is soluble in alcohol. From "The Elixir: an Alchemical Study of the Ergot Mushrooms": -------------------------------- The ancient civilization of Greece centered around the religious ceremonies conducted annually in the Eleusinian temple in Athens. According to Aristotle, the mystery at Eleusis was something experienced rather than something learned. There were two rituals performed at Eleusis, the first was the "Lesser Mystery," in which the participants were given a libation of wine containing ergot & opium, and the "Greater Mystery," during which the initiates were given wine containing ergot, and experienced a collective vision of the Mother Goddess Persephone. 69ron: ------ I know some of you out there are apt to believe the statements above because you've failed at making LSH and those statements above help you feel better about you're failure. Don't fall victim to that kind of crap. Try it again. Find out what you did wrong. When it works, the difference is HUGE, not a tiny difference, the experience is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I know the effects of LSA and LSD very well. He’s used them many times. He guarantees that when the reaction works, there is NO NOTICEABLE LSA left at all in the experience. It becomes almost identical to an LSD experience at low doses. Totally different from LSA. According to Albert Hofmann (the inventor of LSD), LSH is an adduct of LSA and acetaldehyde. Adducts are very simple to make. You just mix them in solution, that's all. The effect of adding acetaldehyde is HUGE. I cannot feel any leftover LSA when the process is done right. So, like I said, I think those guys don't know what they're talking about and I believe Hoffman does, and that LSH is an adduct of LSA and acetaldehyde and nothing more. No complex reaction is needed to make it. You just mix the two together and LSH forms. And I believe all of the LSA forms LSH, not just a small amount of it because you cannot feel any of the effects of LSA after this is done right. When the conversion from LSA to LSH is complete it feels COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. The reason some people can't tell the difference is because their conversion failed. The difference in effects are night and day. No one would ever think the effects of LSH are anything at all like LSA. It's that different. Whatchamacallit (2006): ----------------------- I have read that using an alcohol high in acetadehyde, like sherry converts the LSA to LSH which is supposed to a better trip, or more potent, or more stable. There would be alcohol and water and acetaldehyde, so it may be the best experience yet. Just let it soak in sherry for a few dayshaking often, maybe longer, if not in a hurry, then filter and drink it. Let us know how that works. I have heard from several respectable people that this works very well. Also keep the bottle away from light (maybe wrap in foil or use dark brown bottle), at all times and heat, etc. Kash: ----- Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil (contains 2mg acetaldehyde per 5 drops) yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long. I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals. dmthead420: ----------- Seems this does do alot more, its alot more refined, clean, less body high all mind high.. i extracted 700 riveas into 100 ml of lemon juice , 50ml water .. that sat 9hrs in the fridge(water stayed the color of lemon juice but smelled like alkaloids) i filtered and added 100ml of sherry wine and that sat 6hours.. A buddy and i sampled 12ml of this and the effect is way different from just eating the seeds or just a simple water extract.. No body feelings AT ALL, not even the normal body buzz.. just a extreme lsd like head and abstract thoughts, better sense of understanding.... Real soon i am def going to try a large dose ..I Feel GreaT...I will no longer do it any other way.....my friend says the same. Norman, mycotopia, said on 16 September 2019: -------------------------------- Years ago I stumbled across a simple method for dosing HBWR. Grind the seeds and cover them with white wine, let sit in the fridge for a day or so, shaking occasionally, decant, filter and drink. No nausea no aches no vasoconstriction. I am now off alcohol completely so I’m thinking of an alternative method short of a full on extraction. I’m convinced that something in the wine besides water and alcohol is what makes the trip so clean. I’ve tried twelve percent water alcohol mixes in the past and still had the nasty side effects and at the same time the trip is not as strong. I’m thinking acetaldehyde and or tartaric acid may be involved or at least a good place to start. Any thought on what chemically may be going on? Hermes (lycaeum March 2003) on morning glory visuals & strength, extracted into cold distilled water with a squirt of lemon juice: -------------------------------- Depending on seed quality, you should get some weak to decent effects from 8 grams, like mild reality bending, marked enhancement of aesthetic perception, insights, weak open eye visuals, moderate but subtle closed eye visuals (especially with music). I find that more satisfactory results are achieved with more seeds, like 14 grams or more. This much is needed to enter truly psychedelic territory. I wouldn't recommend this much if you haven't tried lower doses with the same seeds and method, however. I usually just measure by Burpee bags. These are 1.8 grams each. I have used anything ranging from 3 to 12 of these. Strangely, the 12 bag trip was relatively weak. They must have been some old seeds. My strongest experience ever with MG seeds was with the Martha Stewart brand from K-Mart. I had strong effects, with good open eye visuals, on only 300 seeds! I used a cold water extraction with some added lemon juice, but the alcoholic extract by Stretchman also here at the Lycaeum I tried was the strongest. I had strong 4D lattice-like open eye visuals and warping and melting of furniture with only 400 seeds. There are about 32-36 seeds to a gram. The Martha Stewarts are more expensive than the Burpees. They are like $1.30 a bag or something close to that for a 1.2 gram bag. The Burpees are something like $0.88 a bag and each bag has 1.8 grams. That's $2.05 a gram for Martha Stewart seeds and $0.92 a gram for Burpee seeds. It seems to be a trade off. My comment: lemon juice contains acetaldehyde as well. Nogal (the Nook): ------------------------ Yes I know of someone who tried the CWE method with the Heavenly Blue variety, except with the substitution of a coffee grinder in place of a stone metate (I think that's what is called but I could be wrong), and a squirt of lemon in the water, with around 400-500 seeds. Closed and open eyed visuals were extremely breath taking. Some of the most prominent visions were of Aztec/Mayan glyphic patterns, a menacing and demonic technicolor nymph made of light who tried to seduce the viewer, and this bizare trail of energy spheres which each contained a different stylized animal form (again definately of Aztec/Mayan origin). Jamie: ------------------ Yeah that LSH can be very visually powerful..the only time I got morning glories to work was when they were fresh..and they blew away LSD for me. I had real visions..I am thinking there was more LSH in them than LSA..all the other times I just got some euphoria and nausea. 3 experimenter's effects when ingesting pure ergonovine, another name for ergometrine (found in HBWR), June 1979 Journal of Psychedelic Drugs, morning glory contains very low levels of ergometrine at only .03% whereas HBWR seeds contain .17% (quite high), ergometrine causes cramping and vasoconstriction, see below: -------------------------------- In the January-June 1979 issue of the Journal of Psychedelic Drugs, Jeremy Bigwood, Jonathan Ott, Catherine Thompson and Patricia Neely report on their attempt to replicate Hofmann's finding in three experiments with ergonovine maleate, each time in one pastoral setting. They were following up Wasson and Ruck, who tried the same amount as Hofmann but "did not experience distinct entheogenic effects." With Thompson acting as a guide, three of them took 3mg. of ergonovine maleate, which appeared as a slightly phosphorescent bluish solution in water. Fifteen minutes later they felt like lying down and looking at the sky; then there were "very mild visual alterations, characterized by perception of an 'alive' quality in inanimate objects." Most of this effect passed within an hour; walking along the beach, they experienced mild leg cramps. Bigwood saw eidetic imagery before going to bed, and the three "slept easily...awakening refreshed in the morning." The three experimenters were "convinced that ergonovine was psychoactive, but only J.B. was persuaded the drug was entheogenic." They decided to try it again two weeks later in an increased dosage of 5 mg., but Neely took only 3.75mg. "Again, we experienced lassitude and leg cramps, more pronounced than in the earlier experiment." The psychic effects were more intense than previously, particularly eidetic imagery. "Now it was clear to all of us that ergonovine was entheogenic...The entheogenic effects, however, were very mild, while the somatic effects were quite strong. We had none of the euphoria characteristic of LSD and Psilocybin experiences." To determine if higher consciousness alteration was possible, they tried larger oral doses of ergonovine maleate a week later. This time, Neely took a dose of 7.5mg and the others took 10mg: "One of us (J.O.) described "flashes in periphery, ringing in ears, inner restlessness" 40 minutes after ingestion, and later noted "mild hallucinosis, cramps in legs and felt the cramping in the legs as painful and debilitating. The psychic effects did not increase with the same magnitude as the somatic effects...For what seemed like hours, we lay on our backs atop a small pumphouse, watching fluffy cumulus clouds pass silently above us. The effects were still quite intense six hours after ingestion. One of us experienced abundant eidetic imagery, rapidly-changing, colorful geometric patterns, undulating, never still. We all had a slight hangover the following morning." Stripper and Todd Skinner's girfriend Krystal Cole's claviceps paspali (same alkaloid profile as the powerful Mesoamerican morning glory) ergot wine experience from Chapter 17 THE BLOOD OF CHRIST from the book "Lysergic": -------------------------------- Todd knelt down, holding an ornately decorated gold chalice. A magnificent piece to behold, exquisite. It pulsated with energy, spirituality. "Sherom Teleqot Masecot," he began his prayers in ancient Chaldean, and then moved on to a higher prayer. "Ebatone Neahmeh Nohhoaayow..." the language of the gods. Reverent peacefulness engulfed him as the words came forth. He turned to face me and drank several large gulps. Then bowed his head in silence as he passed me the chalice. "What is it?" I was totally caught by surprise; we had not planned on tripping for awhile. Things had been far too crazy lately. "It's ancient wine. Just try a sip." "I don't know..." I didn't want to have a repeat of my DMT experience. My mind wasn't as prepared as it should be prior to a journey. Also, I had never seen him this spiritual before a trip. He never prayed or used a chalice any other time. Usually he would non-ceremonially weigh out the doses on his lab scale, and then simply pass them out. No ceremony, no prayers. Why the sudden change? "Just try a small sip. It is time for you to be initiated into the order, you're ready. But I would kneel and say a prayer first if I was you. This one must be taken very seriously." His head bowed slightly but he still kept eye contact. I was curious so I knelt down, even though my instincts were telling me not to. What order? The brotherhood maybe? And what was in the chalice? It couldn't really be ancient wine, could it? I examined the liquid; it looked and smelled just like red wine. Why not? I cautiously drank a small sip. It was thinner than normal wine and had a woody taste. The most interesting part was the way it tingled as it went down. A warming sensation filled my throat and stomach. "Okay I drank some, now what is it?" "It's Ergot wine." He smiled slyly, knowing he had gotten one over on me. "ERGOT WINE! Oh my God!" I was in shock. "Ergot can kill people. I wouldn't have taken it if I would have known what it was. It's St. Anthony's fire! It can make you lose body parts if you touch it! Oh, my God!" My head was spinning. How could he have not warned me? "I knew you would react like this, that's why I just told you to drink it. You get so afraid sometimes. There is no need to be; you are safe." A slight giggle escaped from his lungs. "Are you sure it's safe? Where did you get it?" My heart was racing. "I made it when I was younger. I did an alcohol wash of the ergot fungus with the wine. Then I corked the bottles up and stored them. The ergot fungus will feed on the sugars in the wine, giving it the woody taste. I let them age for about ten years. It is best to wait a little longer, but I felt it was an appropriate time to open one anyway. Every year it ages, it will become a little less potent and easier to control the dose." "How do you know what a safe dose is?" I was skeptical. "Ergot is a fungus and a precursor for LSD. Ergot is interesting because we really don't know what happens to the alkaloid concentration over time. It moves around, changes. So the dose is guesswork." "Isn't Ergot what Socrates used to take at Eleusis?" I thought it was kind of cool to be taking something that the founders of our democracy used to take, but that our current democracy has made illegal. " Yes, the priest who handed down the secret formula from generation to generation did a wine (or water with mint or peppermint leaves added, adds acidity and high in acetaldehyde) infusion of the ergot." "I can feel it already." "I started to see holographic symbols, floating in a circle around Todd's head. I had never seen symbols before in a trip. They were translucent almost like glass. Empty space had taken on a form. They constantly rotated, allowing me to see all of their sides. A few of them looked like symbols from the zodiac. Others looked like Sanskrit, or Arabic. Some I have nothing to compare them to. Where did they come from? What did they mean?" "Out of all my journeys, ergot was my most productive and therefore my best. "The chalice and prayers peeked my curiousity. Why had he done it this time and no others? What was the meaning of it all? He was so careful with his words, his humble demeanor, and even how he held the chalice as he drank. I had seen communion in church before and knew symbolically this is what he had meant by it all. Edited by tregar (04/01/23 12:52 PM)
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What are the active compounds at work in this formulation that you believe?
I mean we know LSA isn't this psychedelically active, but is there a certain form of LSA that's active? Whats happening here?
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Quote: LSH or d-Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide in the seeds is believed to be one of the main actives in the seeds, along with penniclavine. LSA or lysergic acid amide is a breakdown product of LSH over time and heat conditions. LSA is sedating and not really active at all. See attached study for the natural active compounds in morning glory. There is .01mg mixture of LSA and LSH per each seed, so 100 seeds = 1mg LSA and LSH. There are around 32 seeds to a gram, each seed = .01mg LSA, so 20 grams or 600 seeds is 600 x .01mg = 6mg LSA and LSH. I've used up to 800 seeds or 25 grams = 800 seeds x .01mg LSA is 8mg LSA and LSH. Using wine high in acetaldehyde to extract with with stirring and shaking will help to convert any leftover LSA to LSH. At the 25 gram seed dose, there is around a couple milligrams of the various other alkaloids such as lysergol and chanoclavine that are also psychedelic. There are also very high levels of penniclavine in each seed, even higher than LSA + LSH. Penniclavine is also psychedelic according to animal studies done back in the 1960s. Pic: from "Plants of the gods": Hallucinogenic nectar appears to flow from the blossoms of the morning glory plant, and "disembodied eyes" and birds are other stylistic features associated with the intoxication. An ancient Indian Mother Goddess and her priestly attendants with a highly stylized vine of Ololiuqui, in one of the murals from Teotihuacan, Mexico, dated about A.D. 500. Edited by tregar (04/01/23 09:24 AM)
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Any other types of wine that could work? Vermouth?
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Quote:Cold Sherry wine is the wine highest in acetaldehyde, chart below, always seal your wine with a $9 wine preservation canister with inert gasses like carbon dioxide and argon from *mazon before you re-cork it with a rubber cork stopper and put it back in the fridge to keep the precious acetaldehyde from oxidizing to vinegar which can happen in about 5 to 7 days if you don't use it. A canister will last for months of sealing many bottles. ItBeBasidia Posted 14 December 2020 (he posted in the "morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD like drugs, soluble in alcohol or wine, only slightly soluble in water" thread at Mycotopia): Quote:Lemon juice also contains ISOVALERALDEHYDE just like peppermint leaf. Shroomery moderator Logical chaos on 8-21-22 on page 5 of the shroomery thread said: Quote: https://www.thevespiary.org/tal Chemist Peter Webster said: Quote: https://erowid.org/experiences/ Quote: Editor's note: great trip report, my only recommendation would be to extract the seeds immediately into cold sherry wine (high in acetaldehyde) instead of extracting immediately into water which will cause the natural LSH in the seeds to break down to the sedating and inactive LSA. LSH is only stable in acidic solutions like wine, lemon juice or DL tartaric acid acidified water, etc. before being consumed. Also keep your wine or acidified water cold as acetaldehyde evaporates off at around 70 degree F. From the wayback machine, 45 people case report on seed trips from 20 to 500 seeds: https://web.archive.org/web/201 Quote: Edited by tregar (04/01/23 01:27 PM)
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20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman
-------------------------------- This is how I got into growing morning glory, thought would share as I feel it was more a message from the Aztec Shaman, also goes to show the visual power of high dose LSD made from ergot alkaloids, this really happened. Over 12 years ago, girlfriend and I both dropped 10 hits each of super old 15 year old decomposed acid given to us by a dear friend, he had stored it in between the pages of a book all that time without using a baggie, when held in front of blacklight, only around 60% of each blotter glowed, rest decomposed. It had a sick feeling for the first 2 hours, but then it worked and skyrocketed us to a higher divine plane, it was very strong. She and I both saw the exact same vision for 20 minutes straight which had formed out of the shadows cast by the fake Christmas tree lights onto the wall--a 20 minute "schooling" by an ancient powerful & spiritually prominent Shaman from Aztec era --- I have never had an experience like that ever again to this day--it was a once in a lifetime opportunity. The Shaman sat on a living chair made of spirit animals (birds, jaguars, otters, pumas, macaws, toucans) that morphed into other animals constantly, to the left and right of him were centaurs (half animal below, half naked female above), the great Pyramid of the Aztec capital behind him, and he showed me the rise and fall of several civilizations throughout time--and what is even more amazing--is that we both saw the exact same vision. The Shaman wore a huge beautiful headdress made of feathers and the detail of the 20 minute animated vision was beyond 4k, and extremely detailed--it was also the vision in which I saw snakevines behind the centaurs, and before the Shaman left us at the end, he motioned to me with his eyes to look to the right of the living room out the window into the patio area where I had an empty garden plot--he was trying to tell me to plant entheogenic plants in the plot--that spring, summer & fall I grew morning glory in that plot on a large wide & tall wooden trellis cemented into the ground. His point in showing me the rise and fall of the different civilizations was that I believe he was trying to tell me that "if humanity is to survive, the only hope is a Spiritual Solution". Edited by tregar (04/01/23 09:40 AM)
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Hey tregar
The wife and I used to trip hard from eating the seeds, didn't have any stomach issues. I can imagine an extract is far superior. Planning to give this one a go.
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how much liquid can you remove from the final product before the LSH decomposes if at all?
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Thank you for posting, this sounds incredibly interesting; LSA was a great experience other than the purging and this definitely has me intrigued.
Quote: Seeing this puts more faith into the experiment for me. He was quite the wizard indeed when I was active on BL years ago. Glad to hear he is still around! Have a good one!
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tregar I always love your research. I think the final thing to do is to take one of your concotions, and have it GC/MS tested to actually quantify exactly what's in it.
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Wow lots of work and research and info.
Interesting! Thanks! Sounds awesome -------------------- Everything has beauty, not everyone sees it. Perfection is subjective!
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Thank you for sharing that detailed information.
I have MG Milky Way seeds which I'll be planting soon, im not sure how much LSA they'll contain but Heavily Blue don't seem to be readily available in Australia. With some luck the Heavily Blue seeds ordered from overseas get through customs and I'll grow them. My last concern is climate. It's not ideal here for MG, dry hot summers cold dry winters, occasional frosts. I'm really looking forward to the whole process -------------------- Reality is for people who can't face drugs
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