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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Flabbawabbajabba] * 1
    #27859771 - 07/12/22 10:09 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Can't seem to find the DL form of Tartaric for sale, anyone recommend a suplier?

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Oniralas]
    #27860766 - 07/13/22 05:27 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Can't seem to find the DL form of Tartaric for sale, anyone recommend a supplier?


The Himedia brand DL tartaric acid powder is available thru google search or *mazon.

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 1
    #27861972 - 07/14/22 01:41 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Very cool research and info tregar! :takingnotes:

Im gonna have to give this a go sometime! :takingnotes:


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27865823 - 07/17/22 07:25 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Tregar, thank you very much for your research, I've enjoyed many of your threads in many different forums, i highly respect your power of endurance in spreading the knowledge, it seems like you do this since many many years :handth:

I've just wondered, what do you think about the other aldehyde combinations like LSA+cuminaldehyde and cinnamaldehyde? I think you are probably aware of the threads treating these here and at other forums. there are also a couple of other aldehydes that have been tested and discussed, but form what i've read especially these two (cinnamaldehyde and cuminaldehyde) sound very interesting :strokebeard:
Did you ever try one of them ?
I'm very curious about these, because from what I've read they are probably more stable than the acetaldehyde adduct, which obviously brings a lot of advantages.
And the experience seems to differ from LSH but sounds like major great hehe
I have not much experience with LSA and adducts of it, but 2 years ago or so i had a little batch of hbwr seeds and experimented with it, but wasnt aware of aldehyde adducts yet. But interested in the LSA experience and already informed myself in combating the negative side effects like vasoconstriction and nausea i did a couple of difference runs.
In one run i did a CWE of 5 seeds (hbwr) and combinated it with a couple of herbs ... sadly i didn't protocol the recepts back then but if i remember correctly it was a combination of:
ginger against nausea,
a couple of drops of datura stramonium tincture ... already tested before, and in a dosage applied low enough not even causing dry mouth but effective against nausea and causing vasodillation against the vasoconstriction and anecdotally potentiating the visuals of hbwr or LSA in general (pls dont do this if you dont know what you're doing),
cinnamon (or cinnamon essential oil i'm not sure) also causing vasodillation,
and cocoa also causing vasodilation and a nice mood.
I hope my memories are correct these were all ingredients.
I'm not sure if i mixed them together and then consumed them or consumed some of them seperatly as again was not aware of aldehyde conversation and did not think about this could play a role.

This experience was in short words the most euphoric and impressing experience i've ever had and i've tried a lot of natural and synthetic euphorics and psychedelics before...
It was like the first time E but far superior euphoric and in a very naural way - not as fake as like the euphoria caused by synths
but NO jaw clenching or other stimulated face problems
It actually wasn't really stimulating at all (as synthetik stimulants) as i was able to relax but it was very uplifting and would have worked great for dancing/raving/partying in general :dancer:
Also no vasoconstriction and very little to no nausea or other hbwr or lsa related negative side effects
There were no real strong visuals, at least of the type which would be to much for socializing on a party
but there were very gentle little spirals and organic type visuals which i very much enjoyed and CEVs were also major enjoyable
Also it was very very colorful as strong enhanced colours and everything seems to be very soft.
I think in a higher dosage it would have the potential to cause very strong visuals.
It came on very fast like after 30 mins it already became very strong and maybe at the one hour mark the peak was reached which lingered on for maybe 3 to 4 hours in waves before in got slowly less intense and turned to a very nice relaxed afterglow  which gone away completely maybe 6-8 hours after ingestion.
So no nasty comedown effects and the next day no hangover, nothing
I rather felt very refreshed. all in all it was pure bliss and a very enriching experience. :inlove:

After that experience i obviously tried to recreate it and read what feels like all informations about lsa you could find in the net and off course stumbled across one of your threads @tregar.
After i learned about this aldehyde conversation i also found the other threads about the other aldehydes and got hyped even more.
I'm sure the LSA in the hbwr seeds did this conversation to the aldehyde adduct with either cinnamaldehyde from the cinnamon or the aldehyde in ginger, i dont remember its name atm. Maybe a mix of both aldehyde adducts.
If somebody is interested I'll post some of the aldehyde conversation threads with the other aldehydes beside acetaldehyde.

Yeah my batch of hbwr run out and in the couple of left trys i was not really able to recreate this experience.
Since then i'm trying to cultivate heavenly blue morning glorys, but in my climate zone there was not enough yield yet.
But this year it looks a bit more promising :awesomenod:
I'll try the cuminaldehyde adduct at first because this one sounds like the most promising
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21168265/fpart/all
In this and in a couple of other threads this adduct sounds like the greatest of the tested adducts
but the aldehyde in german chamomile also sounds very interesting.
Tregar if you or someone else here has any experience in any of these aldehyde adducts i would be very pleased to hear them :grin:

have a good day mates :hatsoff:

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: fantanyl] * 1
    #27870544 - 07/20/22 04:01 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Thank you so much for your sacred work Fantanyl. Bad ass thanks for sharing all this.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 1
    #27870682 - 07/20/22 05:45 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I have a question tregar. The part of your posts about transforming LSA is super interesting.

My question is whether this could be done with other similar alkaloids such as ergotamine. I am wondering because it is said the hierophants of Eleusis used claviceps purpurea, which makes primarily ergotamine or raw lysergic acid and no lsa. So I wonder if other alkaloids also might be converted to more psychedelic forms.

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: CreonAntigone] * 3
    #27870749 - 07/20/22 06:34 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I have a question tregar. The part of your posts about transforming LSA is super interesting.

My question is whether this could be done with other similar alkaloids such as ergotamine. I am wondering because it is said the hierophants of Eleusis used claviceps purpurea, which makes primarily ergotamine or raw lysergic acid and no lsa. So I wonder if other alkaloids also might be converted to more psychedelic forms.



I believe it was claviceps paspali which grew and still growns on the distichum grass adjacent to Eleusis, the priest only need powder the ergot (which has the exact same rich alaloid profile as the mesomarican morning glory) and add it to wine, soak and drink, heavenly experience, no different from the morning glory. I differ in the purpurea hypothesis, even Hoffman commented on claviceps paspali being a likely candidate for the Kyeon, as it was same as MG alkaloid profile.


I also took 300mg of very pure tetrahydroharmine (psychedeic SRI) at the same time.

Holy cow! I just had an experience this afternoon on 15g heavenly blue MG extracted into 1oz everclear + 1oz wine + 20mg DL tartaric acid..

more powerful than 400ug of acid! And zero anxiety or paranoia like with LSD, this felt so more natural...I looked at my skin and saw hieroglyphic symbols all over them...closed eye visuals of insane dancing geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate.

Open eye alternating colors on all the walls. So divinely beautiful.

Very strong euphoria, incredible colors, infinite open eyed beauty. Way more colorful than LSD, these are vibrant & rich almost other worldly.

This is just as powerful as any of my high dose cactus experiences. Intensely sacred & very healing I really need this! 8 to 10 hour experience.

Music so bad ass it's beyond comprehension. Identical to mescaline rich music enhancement....super deep head space...this LSH + penniclavine is unreal!!!!!!!

I'm just like all of you, burning up in this heat...climate change is so real...thank goodness for this very powerful trip, it was so welcome. I have to walk my dog every day off at 7am in the parks and rivers to stay cool. I visit the waterpark once a week with my family where I used to lifeguard, as it is right down the road...and even then, we have to leave at 2pm its just so hot.

I will show pictures later as I took them every step of the way.

1. 1 shot fridge cold everclear and 1 shot sherry wine (just opened)

2. 20mg DL tartaric acid added (this aids extraction greatly as it converts the freebase alkaloids to the active D form salts, way better absorption in stomach) added to 1 fridge cold shot everclear + 1 fridge cold shot sherry wine, very high in acetaldehyde as there is 10mg per 1oz of sherry, for causing the LSA to transform to LSH due to attraction/condensation reaction forming stable alkaloid.  Notice adding 20mg DL tartaric acid powder only took the PH = normal 4. to 3.5

3. 15g of heavenly blue morning glory (I buy in lots direct from grower) weighed out. I store MG lot bag in vacuum bag in freezer, this helps alkaloids remain intact for years. I buy a $30 vacuum bag sealer from *almart to seal the seeds before putting back in freezer.

4. crush it all in between a paper plate with ends folded end on concrete floor with just a lamp on in the garage to keep low light until alkaloids form salts a litter further down, then they are stable to bright light.

5. coffee grinder then ground the debris further into a fine dust...you want to use a coffee grinder....as the alkaloids are all within the tight hard embryo of the seed.

6. 15g dust and debris all dissolved into the 1 shot everclear + 1 shot sherry wine, all kept cold to keep acetaldehyde from evaporating off, as this happens at 70 degree F, always keep cool. I shook this hard for 1 minute, then put back in fridge, then 15 minutes later shook it hard for 1 minute, then did all this once again 15 minutes later. Then allowed around 5 minutes or so for the debris to fall to bottom, then decant off the solution over the cotton ball filter. Always re-seal the wine by spraying $9 wine preserver gas into wine, then replace cork and store in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde in the wine does not decompose to vinegar as naturally happens over 5 days.

7. The MG debris all filtered thru one cotton ball, had to change out once, then it filtered thru 2nd cotton ball, all the actives remain in solution, but the cotton ball takes out all the nauseating debris to the intestines, zero nausea experience.

8. ending solution, keep cold at all times. This afternoon, drank LSH + penniclavine extract and resulted in 8 hour experience, more powerful than 400ug of acid, more natural, love more than acid. One of the most powerful psychedelic experiences of my life. Profound sacred healing.







Edited by tregar (07/23/22 12:56 PM)

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 2
    #27870756 - 07/20/22 06:42 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

That sounds amazing! Some really cool info in this thread, thanks for sharing.

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 1
    #27871033 - 07/20/22 10:58 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

That is amazing! Sounds very familiar to the "Very Intense" trip report on Erowid. I gotta try this soon! :incredible:


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #27872081 - 07/21/22 08:17 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I am sorry to say, Tregar, that initially I was with you: it must be paspali. But new research says it is impossible. It says this grass is an invasive grass that would not have been there around the time of the Eleusinian mysteries. As a result of this, it seems that C. Paspali is virtually eliminated. It could not possibly have been the ingredient in the kyekon, it wasn't even there.

Claviceps paspali and the Eleusinian kykeon
A correction
Francesco Festi, Giorgio Samorini

The Entheogen Review, 8/3, pp. 96-97, 1999"

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It is therefore possible to state with sureness that all the Paspalum species, which originated from the New or the Old World, spread in recent times, due to voluntary or not voluntary action by man: because originally cultivated as fodder then became wild, or because imported and spread together other cultivated seeds (for example fodders and cereals). On the basis of these data the presence of P. paspalodes and any other species of Paspalum in old Greece has to be excluded.






So tregar, I was with you. I was hoping it would be the case that there was a magic ergot that already by nature produced psychedelic alkaloids. But this article, more or less disproves that hypothesis. That type of ergot wasn't even around.

Edited by CreonAntigone (07/21/22 08:18 PM)

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: CreonAntigone] * 2
    #27872753 - 07/22/22 11:21 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Looks like the mystery continues CreonAntigone!

8 pics of the easy fast process above. In less than 1 hour the extract is ready, a few minutes to prepare and 45 minutes of it sitting in fridge with shaking once every 15 minutes.

Keep in mind: I experienced zero nausea using this powerful extract and absolutely no cramping or vasoconstriction...ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction is very low in MG at only 3% while it is quite high in HBWR seeds at 17%, see graphs and pics in the beginning of this thread. HBWR also lacks penniclaivine and the other 4 alkaloids in MG that were found just as stimulating as LSD in animal experiments, important teamwork.

This extract is stimuating just like LSD and zero sedation...the LSH that is made from LSA with this tek is stimulating, just like the stimulating penniclavine in the seeds.

Update: Next day feel very pleasant afterglow, like a serotonin reset, very refreshed feeling. Before going to sleep, the effects of the 15g MG LSH/penniclavine extract + 300mg THH were still working, viewed around 45 minutes worth of closed eye visions, some of the most incredible visions I have ever seen of an overhead view of landscapes with beaches and sand dunes with winding trails that led to impressive architecture atop a hill, very relaxing scenery. I continued to see colored dots and trails that darted around like fireworks and shot across my closed eye visual field...these trails would then come together to form the monochrome realistic visions. These visions were beyond 4k and very detailed.

After the beach scenery, saw an Egyptian thoth, with the head of an ibis but beak of a bird. Then he disappeared and was replaced with a beautiful Egyptian woman with flowing robe, she held out her hands to me as if to show me something. She was then replaced with Mayan or Aztec pyramids, the detail of the steps incredible, then saw an overhead view of an ancient religious dwelling made out of stone, sort of like Stonehenge but different. I could tell people used to gather there and had spiritually significant ceremonies. Dozens of visions continued before I drifted off to sleep, some like snapshops, others like slow or fast moving movies, too numerous to mention here, but all beyond breathtaking.

Tetrahydroharmine or THH is a pyschedelic SRI or serotonin reuptake inhibitor (not an maoi or rima like harmine, even though it has harmine in the name) that is found in Caapi vine. I make her myself at home from harmaline. She functions as a "psychedelic amplifier" and like the natives say, this alkaloid brings out the "essence" of other psychoactive plants. She (female teaching spirit) is stimulating and has a 10.5 hour half life with peak at 5.25 hours. Combining her with the MG extract is just incredible, she amplifies the effects of the extract, the euphoria of both in combo is very strong.

As mentioned in post above, music was so heavenly...had my headphones on the whole time and the music was if I was hearing it for the very first time...just as strong as when you take a high dose cactus tea, no different, was shocked at how incredible it sounded, gasped in awe at the music so many times, so alien sounding, so incredibly beautiful....will be using this MG extract at least once a week or every 2 weeks from now on, beyond impressed with the effects.

Had 4k movies playing and all the actresses looked like glowing, dazzling, beautiful colorful cartoon versions of themselves, their bodily features exaggerated...their necklaces and sparkling dresses shown and glistened like precious stones, so beautiful...there was a colored shimmering around all people & objects, like a fine colored rainbow reflection...heavy tracers...powerful mesmerizing euphoria. There was an "alive" quality to even inanimate objects. Everything shown as if it had a powerful divine light within itself, the divine interconnection of everything was apparent. The shifting of textures and patterns was magical, extremely visual & audial. For only 50 cents, had an experience that was as powerful as two 12" bridgesii...still in shock at how incredible the experience was, highly recommend.

In the future, will always continue to take 300mg of tetrahydroharmine at the exact same time in a capsule when I drink the MG LSH + penniclavine extract, it was one of the most powerful psychedelic experiences of my life.

When the combo hit me after I drank it, I could feel it working in only 30 minutes, then at 45 minutes it was very strong, that's when I saw the hieroglyphic symbols all over my skin and when I closed my eyes, saw the super fine intricate dancing geometrics...I put my headphones on and the music carried me beyond this world, the most beautiful and alien music sounded, super enhanced, like hearing music for the very first time. The walls in front of me turned a pink color, then alternated to a green color, so beautiful...was mesmerized by the euphoria.

Walking outside, nature shown with a diamond like brilliance...looking at the clouds outside in late afteroon and there was a rippling effect like I have seen with high dose cactus, seeing the clouds move in 1/2 second shot frames, like stop gap animation. This experience was so much more natural feeling then LSD and had the power of 4 strong hits of 100ug of acid or 400ug, but take away the inability to think or thought confusion of LSD, the anxiety, take away the choppiness or frame-like nature of LSD visuals and repacing with flowing visions, stronger colors and stronger music enhancement, divine aesthetic infinite open eyed beauty...very deep headspace, the healing was profound.

Other topics you may be interested in:

1) How to make THH or tetrahydroharmine with pics, post #13:
https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/
THH can be made by converting harmaline from rue seeds in 1.5 hour using vinegar, zinc dust, magnetic stirrer and 10% janitorial ammonium hydroxide from the hardware store or on-line. 

2) One shot HPBCD DMT Ayahuasca, masks taste and increases absorption many factors with pics, post #42:
https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/page-3

3) Journal: 50 Sublingual HPBCD DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time with pics, post #19:
https://mycotopia.net/topic/111790-journal-50-sublingual-hpbcd-dmt-ayahuasca-journeys-over-a-years-time/page-1

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 2
    #27872804 - 07/22/22 12:04 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I may have to try this sometime.  20 years ago some friends and I each ground twice that many seeds up, around 1,000 seeds for each of us, and mixed the powder with juice and drank it.  It was the worst nausea I've ever experienced, but the trip was divine.  It was like going through hell to get to heaven.  If this method removes the nausea it makes revisiting the heavenly blues a possibility.  Though, it will be hard for me to get past the nauseating memories of that previous experience.  Thanks for posting this tek!


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Elf_on_a_Log]
    #27873412 - 07/22/22 09:20 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Tregar what the hell are you talking about?  Claviceps p. doesn't contain LSA at all, or many things that are in morning glory.

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Typerwritermonky] * 1
    #27873497 - 07/22/22 10:33 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Typerwritermonky said:
Tregar what the hell are you talking about?  Claviceps p. doesn't contain LSA at all, or many things that are in morning glory.




Tregar is right. This observation was first made by Albert Hoffman in the book, 'The Road to Eleusis', and since Hoffman became an expert on the alkaloids of ergot and morning glory, I trust him here.

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There is a further finding that may prove to be of utmost importance in considering Wasson’s question. The main constituents of the Mexican morning glory seeds are (a) lysergic acid amide (=“ergine”), and (b) lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide, and these are also the main alkaloids in ergot growing on the wild grass Paspalum distichum L. This grass grows commonly all around the Mediterranean basin and is often infected with Claviceps paspali. F. Arcamone et al.3 were the first to discover these alkaloids in ergot of P. distichum, in 1960.
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An easier method still would have been to have recourse to some kind of ergot like that growing on the grass Paspalum distichum, which contains only alkaloids that are hallucinogenic and which could
even have been used directly in powder form. As I said before, P. distichum grows everywhere around the Mediterranean basin. During the many centuries when the Eleusinian Mysteries were thriving and holding the antique Greek world enthralled, may not the hierophants of Eleusis have been broadening their knowledge and improving their skills? For the Greek world as for us, the Mysteries are linked to Demeter and Kore, and they and Triptolemus are the famed mythical progenitors of cultivated wheat and barley. But in the course of time the hierophants could easily have discovered Claviceps paspali growing on the grass Paspalum distichum. Here they would be able to get their hallucinogen direct, straight and pure. But I mention this only as a possibility or a likelihood, and not because
we need P. distichum to answer Wasson’s question.





The study he cites is "Arcamone, F., Bonino, C., Chain, E. B., Ferretti, A., Pennella, P., Tonolo, A., and Vero, L.; Nature (London) 187, 238 1960"

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    #27876221 - 07/25/22 06:32 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

CreonAntigone, you are extremely informed on this whole topic, my hat off to you, keep up the good work!

More on claviceps paspali which contains the exact same alkaloid profile as the powerful Mesoamerican morning glory:

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Has the Mystery of the Eleusinian Mysteries been solved?   

by Ivan Valencic       

Yearbook for Ethnomedicine and the Study of Consciousness,

        Issue 3, 1994, pp325-336. ©VWB - Verlag fĂĽr Wissenschaft und Bildung, 1995.

1.    In ancient Greece near Eleusis, about 20 kilometers north-west from Athens, a special event was celebrated every September. According to the tradition the goddess Demeter was said to have been reunited here with her daughter Kore, who was also known as Persephone, after she had been kidnapped by the god of the underworld Pluto.

    The festival of the mysteries took place twice a year, in spring and in autumn, but the former was not so great and important as the latter. The mysteries, whose origins date to the prehellenic era, became particularly popular when Eleusis came under sovereignty of Athens. In the 5th century B.C. the telesterion—the great hall of mysteries was built there. In this building the most important part of the ritual is supposed to have occurred: the ingestion of the kykeon, the mysterious sacrament that caused in participants intensive psychic changes, which cleared their souls, and made them accept death not so much as harm as a blessing, as one of the ancient diarists reported. In the late Roman period the mysteries no longer took place every year, and the cult was finally destroyed in 395 A.D. or the year after it when the troops of Alaric demolished the temple at Eleusis.

    The organization of the September' s ritual, which lasted nine days, was supervised by two families who passed the performance of their duties from generation to generation. They were forbidden to reveal the essence of the mysteries, the slightest revelation was threatened by death penalty. The secret of the mysteries had been extremely well guarded, so that with the rise of Christianity the sure knowledge about the essence of the mysteries and especially of the nature of the Eleusinian sacrament has been lost forever.

    Anyone who spoke Greek could be initiated, even slaves and women (GOLDHILL, 1993), which leads to the conclusion that the ingestion of the kykeon must not have had a detrimental effect on possible pregnancies. Initiates were promised a special life in the underworld after death, and during the Roman era the festival became a cosmopolitan event. Great processions went from Athens to Eleusis with songs and other ritual celebrations on the only road built in ancient Greece before the arrival of the Romans. The dramatic enactment of the myth of Demeter and Kore was the most famous and widely celebrated cult in the ancient Greek world.

2.  The central mystery of the Eleusinian mysteries pertains to the nature of the kykeon—the mixture drunk by initiates at the autumnal Eleusinian festival. It was no doubts of palpable nature, so that something was drunk in the telesterion in reality and not only in effigy as some historians supposed. This is well supported by the infamous scandalous event that took place in 415 B.C. when the powerful political and military leader of Athens Alkibiades stole the kykeon at Eleusis and entertained by it himself and his friends. Another conclusion can be inferred from this incident: the ingestion of the kykeon must have been a pleasant and therefore sought-after experience. This was confirmed by many writers of antiquity who participated at the mysteries, and to my knowledge there are no reports on bad trips in the ancient texts that have been preserved.

    On the contrary, many wrote about the joyful, revealing, truly psychedelic or entheogenic experience (ta hiera—the holy was the only term that initiates were supposed to say when describing their mysterious experience).

    The ingredients of the kykeon were revealed in the seventh century B.C. in the so called Homeric Hymn to Demeter (it was written by an anonymous poet and not by Homer) as follows; water, barley and blechon or glechon—a fragrant Mediterranean mint, probably Mentha pulegium or Mentha aquatica (RĂ„TSCH, 1992). This is the only known reference to the composition of the kykeon and it seems somehow incompatible with the secret tightly guarded by the two hierophantic families who were in charge of making it and dispensing at Eleusis. After all, if the recipe for the kykeon had been as simple as that mentioned in the Homeric Hymn, many in ancient Greece would have been mixing their own kykeon, which was, of course, not the case.

    As to who first surmised that the kykeon had had psychedelic activity, I have come across three references. According to different sources it was in 1956 or 1962 or 1964 that the hypothesis was proposed that the kykeon might have contained a psychedelic substance. ALBERT HOFMANN (1983) cites KARL KERÉNYI'S work (1962) as the first having made the statement that the kykeon was a mixture containing a hallucinogenic drug. JONATHAN OTT in Pharmacotheon (1993) says that this idea was first suggested by R. GORDON WASSON in 1956, while TERENCE McKENNA in Food of the Gods (1992) gives this credit to ROBERT GRAVES in 1964. Be that as it may, both, WASSON and GRAVES believed that the intoxicating beverage most probably contained mushrooms. WASSON thought that the secret of the mysteries would be found in indoles, while GRAVES gave more credence to the fly agaric hypothesis, although he conceded that also a psilocybian mushroom (Panaeolus papilionaceus) may have been added to the kykeon. (A collection of GRAVES' work, published in London in 1962, sets the origin of this text in 1960.) What catches one's attention is that mushrooms are quite unlike any of the ingredients of the kykeon, according to the Homeric Hymn.

    Let us for a moment digress to a similar mystery to that of Eleusis: the nature of the famous Vedic medicine soma and its Iranian variety haoma. In Rig Veda and Atharva Veda there are many references to the appearance as well as the action of soma, and based on them numerous hypotheses were proposed about its botanical identity. Researchers suggested that soma was fly agaric, Syrian rue, ephedra, mandrake or other tropane derivatives containing plants, hemp, psilocybian mushrooms (e.g. Stropharia cubensis) and a couple of other plants, each differing from one another more than perceptibly in its shape and the psychoactive effects it induces.

    Today the mystery of soma lies unresolved as so many of the passages in the Vedas that refer to soma are too vague and much more unreliable in their meaning than presumed by WASSON and other scholars who attempted its solving. Is there any possibility that this is the case also for the Eleusinian mysteries, that the reference in the Homeric Hymn of the kykeon is not only unreliable but even deceptive in order to hide the true nature of the sacred libation? For this and other reasons that will be mentioned, some researchers, in recent years most notably T. McKENNA, believe that the mystery of the Eleusinian mysteries has not been satisfactorily solved.

3.  Researchers who attempted to solve the Eleusinian mystery according to the Hymn to Demeter directed their attention to barley since few if any mints are psychoactive. Barley has been known to have been infested like other grains by rust-ergot fungus (Claviceps purpurea and Claviceps paspali) since ancient times Many written testimonies exist about that. Ergot does have established psychedelic effects, it is after all the source of Iysergic acid, the precursor of many psychedelic substances, among them LSD. It seemed only natural that the parasitic fungus growing on barley rendered to the Eleusinian sacrament its psychedelic power.

    The theory that the kykeon derived its psychoactive effects from ergot was proposed at the Second International Conference on Hallucinogenic Mushrooms near Port Townsend, WA on October 28th, 1977, by R. GORDON WASSON, ALBERT HOFMANN and CARL A. P. RUCK. Next year appeared the famous book The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries by the same authors. In it, at first, Wasson gives an account of his experience with Mexican psilocybian mushrooms and explains why he thinks that the drinking of the Eleusinian potion involved a similar experience.

    The second part, written by A. HOFMANN, offers an explanation of how in ancient Greece a psychedelic potion could have been prepared from the ergot fungus. HOFMANN explains that ergoline alkaloids more or less fall into two categories: non-water soluble peptide alkaloids, which exert more toxic effects, and water soluble Iysergic acid derivatives with psychedelic effects more pronounced. Of the latter that appear in nature the most important are ergine (D-lysergic acid amide) the psychoactive principle of many species of Convolvulaceae, and ergonovine (D-lysergic acid-L-2-propanolamide).

    HOFMANN reports that he ingested 2.0 mg of ergonovine maleate, which is about six times the normal dose used in medicine for ceasing postpartum haemorrhaging He experienced some psychedelic activity that lasted more than five hours, although WASSON and RUCK, who later also took ergonovine maleate at the same dose, did not experience any distinct psychedelic effects. HOFMANN stated that the ancient Greeks, or at least some of them, could have made a safe psychedelic beverage with an aqueous infusion of ergot thereby separating the water soluble alkaloids from more dangerous peptide ones.

    But when GORDON WASSON asked HOFMANN the question: Whether early man in Greece could have hit on a method to isolate a hallucinogen from ergot...", his answer to this challenging question considered two possibilities: one was the above-mentioned aqueous extract from ergot of barley with ergonovine as a possible psychoactive agent, and the other was what one could call the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis. Claviceps paspali, which only very seldom infest barley, is often found on the Mediterranean wild grass Paspalum distichum, which must surely have grown also near Eleusis.

    ALBERT HOFMANN writes in his contribution to The Road to Eleusis that this finding may prove to be of the utmost importance in considering WASSON'S question: the main alkaloids isolated from ergot of Paspalum are the same as those found in the ancient Mexican sacred drug ololiuqui, i.e. ergine and Iysergic acid hydroxyethylamide. In his opinion the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis is much more probable than the barley-ergot hypothesis, as it is well established that these alkaloids have psychedelic activity. In the psychedelic usage of seeds of Convolvulaceae he sees the convincing proof that the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis is tenable (HOFMANN, 1994).

    In the third part C.A.P. RUCK with the assistance of DANNY STAPLES renders detailed explanation of the Hymn to Demeter and cites the information from related Greek texts that pertain to Demeter's Eleusinian cult. In this and two following writings RUCK (1981; 1983) expounds some historical evidence that ergot was the key ingredient in Demeter's potion, from the fact that Demeter was often called Ersybe—ergot to the purple colour of her robes, which was supposed to reflect the dark purplish-brown hue of Claviceps. It would seem that the kykeon containing ergot of Paspalum is not the kykeon according to the Homeric Hymn any more. But in HOFMANN'S opinion barley was not believed to be the psychedelic principle, but a nutrient extract and mint as a stomachicum. The admixture of mint fits well into the ergot hypothesis of the kykeon, because it is well known that ergot preparations produce light nausea which can be counteracted by mint (HOFMANN, 1994). There is no doubt that principle ergoline alkaloids of C. paspali produce a genuine psychedelic reaction.

4.  The WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK theory, albeit bold, seems to be well argued. But, as the burden of proof is on those who assert, we must ask along with T. McKENNA if it has been subjected to the acid test (McKENNA, 1992): that means actually brewing the superior psychedelically working kykeon from ergot infested plants. After HOFMANN'S and his co-authors' self-experiments, there seem to be only three more published accounts of similar trials. All were with pure substances: ergonovine maleate (BIGWOOD ET AL., 1979) and methylergonovine (OTT & NEELY, 1980), but none were with an aqueous solution of ergot. In a recent letter JONATHAN OTT (1994) informed me that to his knowledge no one has yet shown by psychonautic assay that the WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK kykeon (a filtered aqueous infusion of ergot of barley, as he says) definitely yields a psychedelic experience.

    The results with the mentioned ingestion of ergonovine and methyl-ergonovine, respectively, were not exactly impressive and, in other words, not at all confirmative of the ergot of barley hypothesis considering they were purported to assess it. JEREMY BIGWOOD, JONATHAN OTT, CATHERINE THOMPSON and PATRICIA NEELY in August 1978 repeated Hofmann's experiment with higher doses: from 3.0 to 10.0 mg of ergonovine maleate (BIGWOOD ET AL., 1979). The intoxication at 3.0 mg produced very mild visual alterations, lassitude and mild leg cramps. The effects tapered off in seven hours. At 5.0 mg, lassitude and cramps were more pronounced. The psychic effects were also more intense, particularly eidetic phenomena, but they were still mild, while the somatic effects were quite strong. Only at 10.0 mg were visual effects comparable to a threshold dose of LSD or psilocybin, but the physical effects (cramping) were already painful and debilitating. The experimenters were also in a kind of dreamy state, as the natural psychoactive ergoline alkaloids, apart from LSD, show a pronounced narcotic component.

    The researchers concluded that, although psychedelic effects of ergonovine were similar to those of a minimal dose of LSD, its somatic effects so much overshadowed the psychic ones that they had no wish to ingest it at psychedelic doses any more. Two years later J. OTT and P. NEELY (1980) attempted a similar experiment with methylergonovine (D-lysergic acid-(+)-2-butanolamide) at 2.0 mg each. Somatic effects included vertigo, salivation, mild cramping, yawning, and psychic effects mostly excited imagination and visualization from auditory cues. The trip was reminiscent of LSD but much milder and more superficial. As with ergonovine, a semi-narcotic state was experienced during it. Uncomfortable somatic effects, again this time, were overshadowing bland psychic changes, which were a far cry from what the Homeric Hymn tells about the initiation experience at Eleusis: "Blissful is he among men on Earth who has beheld that", or what PINDAR and CICERO and others reported.

    The latest published experiment with the ingestion of an ergoline alkaloid is by MICHAEL RIPINSKY-NAXON, who in his book The Nature of Shamanism (1993) mentions that he and his co-workers ingested 6.0 mg of ergonovine without giving many details about the setting. They had unimpressive psychic changes, mostly low perceptual alterations, accompanied with leg cramps.

    As I have already mentioned, there are no reports on experiments with water soaked ergot rust, which is completely understandable keeping in mind the historical evidence about the ingestion of ergot infested grain. Ergotism killed thousands of people, and very unpleasant experiences can be logically expected by those who set out to prove the ergot of barley hypothesis. Reservations about this part of WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK theory are best summarized by T. McKENNA (1992): how could an ergotized beverage have been taken for so many centuries without unpleasant side effects, becoming a part of the legend? As it was clearly shown, even water soluble alkaloids exert painful somatic effects. How is it that no ancient writer who wrote about the Eleusinian initiation mentioned the similarities between it and ergot poisoning? They were all deeply impressed by the experience in a positive way, and reports exist only on truly psychedelic and even transcendental experiences. There are no reports on bad trips accompanied with somatic tormentation and pain that always result from ergot ingestion.

    Despite the fact that certain ergoline alkaloid containing fungi are used in psychedelic preparations in some parts of the world (OTT, 1993), it is clear that they are used only as additives to another component that has the central psychedelic role in a preparation, and that they tend to produce a much more deliriant entheogenic experience, especially when used alone.

    Is there any possibility that the kykeon might have contained other ingredients besides those mentioned in the Hymn to Demeter that alleviated the unpleasant effects of ergoline alkaloids? Some researchers (RĂ„TSCH, 1992; RIPINSKY-NAXON, 1993) suppose that opium was an additive to the kykeon. Demeter as well as Persephone were associated with poppy and many iconographic motifs of the two goddesses with poppy pods have been found. It is well known that more or less all depressants (e.g. neuroleptics, barbiturates, benzodiazepines) suppress an LSD induced psychedelic reaction, and among some LSD consumers the easiest way to abort the trip is by smoking some heroin.

    I asked some researchers about the possible interaction of ergoline and opium alkaloids. J. OTT (1994) is skeptical of presumed anti-LSD activity of heroin and other opiates, whereas A. HOFMANN (1994) and ALEXANDER SHULGIN (1994) believe that opiates must have, like other downers, a diminishing effect on a lysergic acid derivative induced trip. Since no controlled human studies seem to exist about that interaction, there is only some animal work to refer to (experiments cited by SANKAR, 1975). It showed a clear antagonism between LSD and morphine in mice, rabbits and dogs, but Shulgin says that he would look at SANKAR'S review with some care. As we know that the psychedelic reaction is almost impossible to observe in experimental animals, the definitive solution of this problem cannot be expected until human trials are conducted in accordance with relevant statistical criteria. Yet, I think, it is plausible to conjecture that a possible opium addition to an ergotized preparation could only diminish its psychedelic strength and not enhance it.

    And so, is there a reasonable probability that ergot of barley or some of its alkaloids played the central psychedelic role in the kykeon? In the opinion of some researchers, including me, it is not very likely. Only by the ingestion of the kykeon, mixed according to the first part of the WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK theory m a sufficient dose to produce a genuine psychedelic experience without some dire consequences, can this hypothesis be irrevocably proved or disproved. It is unfortunate for research but, I believe, by all means fortunate for researchers, that no one has attempted to do so. In one of his letters, JONATHAN OTT (1994) informed me that he intended to test the ergot (of barley) hypothesis one day soon. I think that we all should eagerly, but of course not too eagerly, expect the results of his ergot-self-experimentation.

5.  The Paspalum-ergot hypothesis is much less publicized and sometimes even omitted in many a work that deals with the Eleusinian mysteries as well as in letters I have exchanged with some of their authors recently. In practically all writings after The Road to Eleusis about this topic I have come across the emphasis on and sometimes even the preoccupation with ergot of barley (C. purpurea) as the central ingredient of the kykeon and ergonovine as its most important psychedelic alkaloid (cf. just the most recent work: RĂ„TSCH, 1992; OTT, 1993; ripinsky-naxon, 1993). This is no doubts the consequence of literally sticking to the words of the Hymn to Demeter, which I firmly believe do not contain the truth, or at least not the whole truth about the composition of the kykeon.

    As to the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis, I must say at first that I have not come across any reference about the ingestion of C. paspali by man, either accidentally or on purpose. It is only known that a neurological disorder, Dalligrass poisoning also called "paspalum staggers", occurs when cattle graze Paspalum dilatatum infected with the fungus Claviceps paspali (COLE & AL., 1977; SPRINGER & CLARDY, 1980; GALLAGHER, LEUTWILER & AL., 1980). Clinical signs of paspalum staggers are tremors, which are exaggerated by enforced movement, hyperexcitability and ataxia. Mortalities from the disease are generally caused by accident or inability of affected animals to obtain water. Affected animals generally recover from the disease if removed from the toxic pasture.

    At least five tremorgenic substances were isolated from Claviceps paspali, three of them were named as paspaline, paspalicine and paspalinine. With the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis there are two possibilities:

    1) The paspali metabolites, which are soluble in most organic solvents (COLE ET AL., 1977), are not water soluble, or at least not in a sufficient grade to have been extracted in the kykeon. If these alkaloids accumulate mostly intracellurarly in oleosomes as do ergopeptides in Claviceps purpurea, then it is reasonable to conclude that they were not in the kykeon in toxic quantities.

    2) If the paspali metabolites are water soluble and accumulate mostly extracellularly like simple Iysergic acid derivatives and clavines, it would mean that the kykeon must have been tremorgenic at least. There is, of course, some possibility that the paspali alkaloids produce toxic symptoms only in cattle and mice, but this is to my opinion extremely low possibility.

    I would not consider the conclusion made by HOFMANN by analogy with Mexican preparations of seeds of Convolvulaceae as a convincing proof, which, I think, can come only through the ingestion of the ergot of Paspalum infusion. Until either barley-ergot or Paspalum-ergot part of the WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK theory, or for that matter any theory or hypothesis that tries to explain a phenomenon and can be experimentally proved, is rendered proven in this way, it is equally legitimate though not equally plausible, to hold any explanation as convincing (CASTI, 1990). To my knowledge there has been not a single attempt to ingest water soaked ergot with other putative ingredients that would simulate the kykeon in a controlled environment. What can be found aplenty in some writings are explanations of ways, more or less very complicated, of how ergot could be ingested safely. It is this discrepancy between theoretical discourse and the lack of experimental evidence that my criticism is aimed at in the first place. No wonder then that due to the lack of hard data some recent work on the Eleusinian mysteries denies any psychoactivity of the kykeon (FOLEY, 1994), or does not mention the kykeon at all (GOLDHILL 1993).

6.  In both hypotheses of the WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK Eleusinian theory we have a verifiable scientific hypothesis, but which seems that it cannot be verified at no costs and dangers for experimental human subjects. It would be difficult to comply with all moral as well as methodological requirements that are required by a scientific experiment with human subjects (cf. SHERIDAN, 1976; CRAIG & METZE, 1979; SHULGIN & SHULGIN, 1993), which means among other things that one self-experiment (although better than none) cannot have general scientific validity. In what direction should the future research proceed in elucidating more thoroughly the action of the discussed possible ingredients of the kykeon, among them primarily ergot of Paspalum? In the first place sound models of its working in animals must be obtained (I hope no member of animal rights groups is reading this). If the animal research indicates that the toxicity of the Paspalum-ergot infusion can be tolerated in estimated psychedelic dosage in man, then I see for a very curious researcher only to proceed with self-experimentation as described in SHULGIN'S Pihkal (1991): to start with obviously insufficient doses, and gradually making the dosage larger until either the toxic or psychedelic effects render it sufficient.

    But if future research shows that ergot could hardly be the mystical ingredient of the Eleusinian mysterious mixture, some other psychoactive plants must be supposed to substitute it. I agree with ROBERT GRAVES and TERENCE McKENNA that there exists also reasonable possibility that psilocybian mushrooms might have helped to produce the astonishment and ecstasy in ancient initiates, who ascribed to the Eleusinian mysteries a veritable transcendental quality. Of course, there may exist other interactions among psychoactive plants that we are not aware of today, but the information about them was no secret to a priest clan in ancient Greece. Will we know one day once and for all what was the essence of the sacred drink at Eleusis? Maybe, if there is a sealed vessel, buried deep under the ruins of the telesterion near today's Elefsina, waiting still to be unearthed.

I am indebted to Albert Hofmann, Jonathan Ott, Christian Rätsch and Alexander Shulgin for their help and critical comments.

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First modern recorded trip report with claviceps paspali infected paspalum distichum grass from reddit ergot group: Posted by u/Gu1l7y5p4rk, 2 years ago:
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C. Paspalum (dilatatum/distichum) Trip Report

I microdose lsa/h from heavenly blue morning glory. Have been for years. I've been interested in the fungi, to an extreme extent. Needless to say I was turned onto another source of this fungi.

Easily accessible as it were to be, paspalum was being mowed everyday. I've spent a few months offhandedly skimming information about this plant. Past few days ergot has been showing, in all it's flourescencent orange glory. So I picked some.

250ml Ice cold distilled water 6 stems with seed heads Protected from light and heat I Added materials into cold water and froze it for 4hrs. Then let it sit at a room temp of 68-72f for an additional 12hrs. Agitated 6 times during the process. Strained through double coffee filter. Consumed a few hours later. Water was clear, no taste.

I drank approximately a quarter of the bottle and started my timer. Within 30 minutes an all too familiar lysergic trip had started to come and go in waves. About 2hrs in and I had half opaque tracers, slight time dilation, and an akwardness about my motor functions. I could meditate in near dark and outlines would drift off a little, or overlap.

It was at this point that I had decided that based off the lucidness, but also lack of complexity of the visuals that I had stumbled upon traditional lsa or a similiar fashioned derivitave.

At 3hr40mins in the initial trip, I drank about twice my original dose. Ate applesauce before and after. I shouldn't have doubled the dose as I had things to do today but luckily I was able to cancel out in high fashion.

Needless to say that since the re-dose, this is one of the most clean and consistent trips I've had in recent memory. At one point I was standing on my back porch(wood) and it and the concrete slab beneath it melted together. House siding sliding up in a stepping fashion, then wiggling and bulging. Full and deeply colorful tracers off my hands.

I've had no noticeable vasoconstriction. It's now 11hrs37mins since original dose. Things are still very pretty. Hanging around the plateau it seems. I think the second dose extended the plateau.

10/10 Would Recommend.




editors note: would only recommend next time extracting with cold acidified water brew (acidified to around ph=4 using lemon juice, crushed vitamin C, or a tiny dash of DL tartaric acid (my preference, use $7 ebay PH meter to adjust, do not go below ph=3 when using DL tartaric acid), this way the high levels of LSH (lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide) in the fresh claviceps paspali and fresh morning glory will not decompose to LSA.

The labile LSH decomposes to LSA in neutral (plain water), when heated, or in alkaline water, but it is quite stable indefinitely in cold acidic environments (such as acidified water, wine (already at ph=4), etc. LSH is very similar to LAE-32 in TIHKAL, where human experiments were done, very active starting at 1.5mg, remarked to be "LSD-like". Animal tests all point to LSH being an active psychedelic and it is indeed the closest thing to LSD found in nature, far closer than d-ergine (LSA). Owsley claims Hoffman himself told him that LAOH is very LSD-like. I totally agree.

Edited by tregar (07/26/22 07:34 AM)

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Trying to find DL tartaric acid. Unfortunately Amazon doesn’t carry this type.  Any suggestions where to obtain this?

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Beerus]
    #27878782 - 07/27/22 05:26 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Hi Beerus, good question. Amazon carries the HiMedia GRM1429-500G DL-Tartaric Acid, Extra Pure, 500 g and you can also find it on Ebay. It must be the DL tartaric acid, and not just the L form as only the D form salt is active. LSD is also active only as the D form salt, and is salted out with D tartaric acid. The HiMedia brand is a good brand.

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 2
    #27879938 - 07/27/22 10:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Thanks for all this info! I think i'll give this a whirl once I'm settled into my new house. Saved in my notes for further experimentation :lol:

I've tried LSA a few times back in high school and had good results, I'm interested to see how LSH is.

I've had incredible results with THH+LSD and THH+DMT, so I'll go ahead and assume this is gonna work pretty good too.

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 1
    #27880194 - 07/28/22 08:59 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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This is the paper that shows the alkaloid content of HBWR is vastly different from the alkaloid content of morning glory: Paulke A, Kremer C, Wunder C, Wurglics M, Schubert-Zsilavecz M, Toennes SW. Identification of legal highs—ergot alkaloid patterns in two Argyreia nervosa products. Forensic Sci Int. 2014;242:62–71.




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I experienced zero nausea using this powerful extract and absolutely no cramping or vasoconstriction...ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction is very low in MG at only 3% while it is quite high in HBWR seeds at 17%, see graphs and pics in the beginning of this thread.




This analysis seemed to identify ergonovine (updated term for ergometrine) in much lower quantity in HBWR compared to ergine :justdontknow:

Chao JM, DerMarderosian AH (1973) Ergoline alkaloidal constituents of Hawaiian baby wood rose, Argyreia nervosa (Burm. f.) Bojer. J Pharm Sci 62:588–591. doi:10.1002/jps.2600620409

And this analysis of I. tricolor seeds indicates that ergonovine was found in slightly greater quantity than ergine:

Gröger, D. (1963). Über das Vorkommen von Ergolinderivaten in Ipomoea -Arten. Flora Oder Allgemeine Botanische Zeitung, 153(2), 373–382. doi:10.1016/s0367-1615(17)33310-4

Ipomoea-Arten mean Ipomoea species. Page 374 indicates that they analyzed 8 different species (Ipomoea rubro-caerulea is now known to be the same thing as Ipomoea tricolor).


You'll be interested in the following modern analysis. They acknowledge the idea that lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide is found in lower quantities in older seeds! And they used synthetic ergine and ergonovine as reference standards. They analyzed I. purpurea and I. tricolor and they seem to indicate that ergonovine and the clavines were found in greater quantity than ergine and LAH.

Nowak J, Woźniakiewicz M, Klepacki P, Sowa A, Kościelniak P. Identification and determination of ergot alkaloids in Morning Glory cultivars. Anal Bioanal Chem. 2016 May;408(12):3093-102. doi: 10.1007/s00216-016-9322-5. Epub 2016 Feb 12. PMID: 26873205; PMCID: PMC4830885.

As has been demonstrated in this study, LSH is a labile compound, and therefore the variances in its concentration may be due to different age and storage conditions of the seeds rather than difference in plant metabolism. Indeed, seeds IT-HB2, which express highest concentration of LSH, were bought directly from the producer, whereas seeds IP-HB1 were purchased in retail stores.


Ergine and ergometrine maleate were purchased from THC Pharm GmbH (Frankfurt, Germany) and LGC Standards (London, UK), respectively.


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1) D-Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (LSH) in MG seeds (or formed easily with extract in this TEK from any leftover LSA + acetaldehyde in sherry wine): Glasser in 1961 noticed animals became stimulated when injected with LSH. Dr. Glasser said some of the mice even stood on their hine legs and pressed on the noses of the mice in front of them, very peculiar. Animal tests all point to LSH being an active psychedelic and it is indeed the closest thing to LSD found in nature, far closer than d-ergine. Owsley claims Hoffman himself told him that LAOH or LSH is very LSD-like. LSH is very similar to LAE-32 in TIHKAL by Dr. Shulgin which was found stimulating and quite active at 1.6mg in volunteers with long lasting LSD like effects.




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(2) LSH experiments on animals: A. Glasser, Nature 189, 313 (1961)




Glässer, A. (1961). Some Pharmacological Actions of D-Lysergic Acid Methyl Carbinolamide. Nature, 189(4761), 313–314. doi:10.1038/189313a0

The last two sentences of this are:

Some of my results suggest that it could have a lysergic acid diethyalmide-like activity, but this hypothesis must be checked by experiments on humans.

Full details of this work will be published elsewhere.


I wonder if a more detailed report was ever published...


I recently made a write-up that begins with quotes from Albert Hofmann, Owsley (the same quote tregar mentions, above), and Peter Webster, all of whom present different ideas about about the activity of these seeds, but I need to edit it with explanations.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showthreaded.php/Number/27696155/page/0/vc/1

Edited by s240779 (07/29/22 11:52 AM)

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: s240779]
    #27882015 - 07/29/22 04:57 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

is dl tartaric acid something that would get you on a watched list for ordering?

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