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τό κᾰτᾰπεπτωκός φροντιστής Registered: 12/07/19 Posts: 3,994 Loc: chillin' on Charon's skiff |
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-------------------- ☆✮★⋆I ♡ the music, not the bling⋆★✮☆ the Dutch gay purge & pogrom 𝕴𝖓 𝖓𝖔𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖊 𝖇𝖔𝖓𝖎 𝖕𝖊𝖘𝖘𝖎𝖒𝖎 𝖒𝖆𝖑𝖔𝖗𝖚𝖒 𝖋𝖎𝖚𝖓𝖙. mēns super rēs the truth of the Kykeon
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Stranger Registered: 08/30/04 Posts: 1,083 Last seen: 1 month, 17 days |
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Forensic tests have shown that LSH (LSA + acetaldehyde adduct = LSH) does indeed reach the brain and was found in bloodstream and urine of 2 teenagers, so it does remain stable and reach the brain: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I've had numerous pm's to condense the tek onto 1 page with pics, as lots of people are wanting to try this, so here it is...print this out and carry it with you and study it, it's super easy and fast I promise. COMPLETE TEK ON HOW TO MAKE LSH and LSI combo or just LSI (your preference) on this one page with supporting studies, very simple: Self trip with 600 seeds: Quote: If you only have a few HBWR seeds, you can mix them for a few minutes with pure peppermint oil drops, see post #1 for recommendation on how many drops of pure peppermint oil to use, or just read below. This trip report from Kash (long time LSA master) below is taken from post #3 of the beginning of this thread....keep in mind that LEMON JUICE also contains isovaleraldehyde, my best trip report using just a few HBWR was when I mixed them with fresh lemon juice from the fridge for a while, then consumed. Do not use the cheap grocery store peppermint alcohol extract, instead buy real Peppermint oil max dosage: Adults: 0.2 to 0.4 mL (4 drops to 8 drops max for adults, DO NOT EXCEED: https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/i I still don't recommend using HBWR but it will still work to form LSI, see post #2 at very beginning of this thread: all about why this is so (MG vs HBWR seeds)...the main reason is that HBWR contains high amounts of ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction...whereas MG only has traces of it, I've used MG up to 25g and still no cramping or vasoconstriction. You can get way higher on MG seed LSI whereas with HBWR you will start to experience the somatic side effects of cramping way sooner due to the ergometrine if you are not careful on dosage, it's a balancing act with HBWR. Psychonauts (psychedelic astronauts): you can still find isovaleraldehyde out there, you just have to look, try looking for the 25ml bottle. Kash: Quote: p.s if you read post #2, you will see that ALL the best MG trip reports involved adding fresh lemon juice, examples below, this is because LEMON JUICE ALSO contains isovaleraldehyde: vespiary: Quote: Hermes (Lycaeum): Quote: My comment: Lemon juice also contains ISOVALERALDEHYDE just like peppermint leaf. Hermes (lycaeum March 2003) on morning glory visuals & strength, extracted into cold distilled water with a squirt of lemon juice: Quote: My comment: lemon juice contains isovalearaldehyde as well. Nogal (the Nook): Quote: My comment: lemon juice contains isovalearaldehyde as well. dmthead420: Quote: Norman, mycotopia, said on 16 September 2019: Quote: Red22: Quote: Easy steps, I've used this process over two dozen times in a 2 year period, it works with zero nausea: ---> You can even drink this LSH and LSI enhanced liquid extract at the same time you drop your LSD for an experience that is way beyond LSD, the LSH and LSI adds infinite dimensions to the normal LSD experience, like incredible (I mean phenomenal !) music enhancement, every sound in the music is "epic", infinite beauty enhancement, strong sensual feelings, strong neon like color saturation, flowing visuals, energy fields seen in constant motion around all objects, heavy tracers, etc. These qualities LSH and LSI adds are very similar to what cactus tea adds in my experience when added to LSD. This is most likely due to LSH and LSI hitting 5 more adrenal recpetors associated with beauty, aesthetics and sensuality beyond normal LSD, see radioligand chart for LSH. I used this potion every time I tripped, you can even add it to cactus tea by taking drinking the LSH potion 1 hour later (always stagger 1 hour so the amides do not clash with the trace maoi's in cactus, only take in that order) it's incredible. -------------------------------- --> How to make the ZERO NAUSEA morning glory wine which is used for all aldehyde experiments, example: forming LSH and LSI from the LSA in the seeds: <-- How this works, from 2022 aldehydes paper, see 1960's study by Arcamone, go to post #1 to read all the studies (5 papers). LSH and LSI do make it to the bloodstream and urine, so it does indeed reach the brain so long as you keep it in it's original state (in acidic wine so it does not decompose back to LSA which will happen in plain water or nonacidic solutions) store in fridge or freeze in freezer to keep forever, drink as so. Pic 1: Sherry wine is the wine highest in acetaldehyde. Pic 2: With only a lamp on in garage, no overhead bright light: grind 15 grams or 525 heavenly blue morning glory seeds in a coffee grinder (35 seeds per gram) using 10 second grind with occasional shaking of coffee grinder, pause 5 seconds, then grind again 10 seconds, repeat x 4 times, you will end up with a dust like consisteny, all the alkaloids are extracted from within the tough rubbery embryo of the seed. 525 seeds x .01mg LSA per seed = 5mg LSA Pic 3: Place ground seed dust into a 1/2 pint tall jar (*almart case of 12, canning section), add 4 shots of cold just opened fresh sherry wine from the fridge, and around 30mg of DL tartaric acid which aids the extraction (from hi media store, *mazon, auction or similar). Do not use plain L-tartaric acid used in wine making, get the good stuff, which contains the D isomer. D-lyergic acid amide isomer salts are the potent form of salts. And also ADD a tiny splash or 1 to 2 teaspoons of acetic acid or VINEGAR (I use apple cider vinegar) to catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA: acetaldehyde in this case onto the amide of LSA, and isovaleraldehyde to form LSI. The vinegar acts as an important catalyst as it contains acetic acid, and speeds the formation of new adduct product, see study below: From Mehra, R.K & Panya, K.C. 1938, The condensation of aldehydes with amides - part III, the condensation of cinnamaldehyde with acetamide. Proc Natl Acad Sci India Phys Sci 7(6). 376-380 NOTE: from paper: Acetamide (very similar to LSA) when cinnamaldehyde adduct added, forms: N,N'cinnamylidenediacetamide just as LSA + isovaleraldehyde forms LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide. RATS RESPOND TO it as if they had been given LSD, and this human rat loves the effects, the closest thing in nature I've ever experienced that is very similar to LSD. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE !!! ![]() ![]() ![]() Cinnamaldehyde should not be used as it contains nearly twice the number of carbons and hydrogens and thus weak activity due to this (weights way too much)...only use isovaleraldehyde (weight is perfect) to form the potent LSI. However, I am showing the study so that you see an even "longer chain aldehyde than isovalearaldehyde" will even adduct onto acetamide or LSA as proven in study. YOU WILL LOVE LSI, it is so very similar to LSD !!! Re-seal your sherry wine by spraying wine preservation canister which has inert gas (contains argon, carbon dioxide, etc.) around ten dollars from *mazon into your wine before sealing with cork and placing back in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde in the wine will not oxidize to vinegar as normally happens over a 5 day period when corked without preserving. Put lid on and shake contents for 1 to 2 minutes. Place jar into fridge for 10 minutes after the 2 minute shaking, during this time the nauseating seed debris can be seen falling to the bottom. Pic 4: Filter entire contents of jar thru a "coffee wire filter" from *almart or *amazon or your local grocery store sitting atop a glass, the liquid above the seed debris will filter real fast in seconds, then filter the debris at the bottom from the jar, once the debris is in basket, use a spoon to press down on it to get all the liquid out, this only takes around 10 seconds. Pic 5: Place this filtered liquid in the fridge for 3 hours or even overnight, within 3 hours, all of the nauseating to the intestines seed debris will have fallen to the bottom. This process begins within an hour after sitting in fridge, check each hour and watch as the seed debris falls by around an inch each hour. Pic 6: After 3 hours or longer, decant the liquid from above the bottom 1/4" of seed debris, this is what you want to consume, it is psychedelic and results in zero nausea, as there is no seed debris in it. DO NOT DRINK the SEED DEBRIS at very bottom or you will become nauseated and sick, don't worry, there are no alkaloids in it. Note: never try to extract your seeds using just plain acidified water, I have tried this before, your seed debris will not separate out in the fridge, and you end up with a complete emulsion in the coffee wire filter which will not filter at all, wine is needed to effect the proper extraction, and allows the liquid to separate from the seed emulsion below, this will not happen with a plane water extration. This is how the ancient Aztec and Mayan extracted the seeds using balche, an alcohol they made themselves, see 2nd pic. Rest of the pics: sources of isovaleraldehyde: pure chemical (on line 25ml bottle) or you can use fresh lemon juice or pure peppermint oil, I prefer to use the pure chemical. Use ice bath on your stirrer to keep wine as a combo of LSH + LSI (as LSH adduct acetaldehyde boils off at room temp, so always keep cold, to form LSI only, omit the ice bath, as LSI does not boil off till 198 degree F). All the alkaloids are concentrated in the fridge decanted liquid above the seed debris. This contains your LSA which has adducted to the acetaldehyde in the wine, forming new amounts of LSH, since the wine is at ph=4, the new LSH adduct product will remain stable indefinately, store in fridge if you plan to use within a few days, or you can freeze and de-thaw in fridge overnight to use next day. It dethaws fast since it is wine. You just formed LSH using the method above, to form LSI, simply take your 4 shot morning glory wine, and at this point add your 3 drops of isovaleraldehyde along with 1 to 2 teaspoons apple cider vinegar (if you don't have the pure chemical then add teaspoon or more of lemon juice, or several drops of pure peppermint oil) to form new molecule similar to LSD in every way. Be sure to spin for around 1 hour at high speed. I always use the pure chemical as I have it. Don't forget to add the apple cider vinegar as it contains the acetic acid catalyst which speeds up the adduct chemical reaction. -------------------------------- References: Lysergic acid Isovaleraldemide, LSI The aldehyde in peppermint oil and leaf and lemon juice is Isovaleraldehyde otherwise known as 3-methylbutanal. If you are a business or researcher you can order it directly, there are also two places that sell direct to individuals, just google it. They delivered it straight to my door, one place starts with a "*******" All you need to add is two drops of this to your LSA sherry wine liquid extract as it spins on the stir mantel for 1 hour at high speed, also must add 1 teaspoon of either vinegar or apple cider vinegar (my preference), as the acetic acid in the vinegar is the catalyst for the condensation of the isovaleraldehyde onto the LSA forming Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide, see study above. There is .01mg LSA in 100 seeds (.01 x 100 = 1mg LSA), just a 100 seed extract has effects very similar to 100ug of LSD, LSI is 1/10th the potency of LSD. Immense visual power with closed eye geometrics, wild colors, music sounds bad ass, divine healing power. I have prepared an extract with 200 seeds and the strength increases similar to 200ug of acid. I have been tripping my ass off every 14 days or so taking this LSI liquid extract around 1 hour after a very small bridgesii tea prepared with only 450 grams of bridgesii cactus chuncks from around the core (around 225mg mescaline), as I love the combo of cactus + LSD, this is no different. Yes, I have tried LSI many times without the cactus, super potent, highly recommend. I will be using LSI for the rest of my life. This aldehyde is completely safe and has been administered in high does to rats with no ill effects. This aldehyde as you can see from paper makes up a substantial part of peppermint oil and leaf. More on LSI: chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2 chemical formula for isovaleraldehyde is (CH3)2 CH2 CH2 CHO Notice isovaleraldehyde even LOOKS EARILY similar to the tale end of psilocin or DMT with nearly the same exact chemical formula as the tail end of psilocin or DMT, see pics in middle ![]() diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol. Both the 3-aminopentane and the isovaleraldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol. The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and isovaleraldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD. Dr Nichols: Quote: 3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD. Last several pics: Home grown fresh potent mg seeds....if you can't grow them yourself, buy them on-line in bulk and store in freezer to keep potent until you use...also shown: the priest may have made LSI from claviceps paspali ergot (same alkaloid profile as the mesoamerican morning glory) as it grows it the famous Rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis, and served it for 2,000 years in ancient Greece to the psychedelic initiates (hundreds of people drank it at once every Sept). The Kykeon brew was known to contain ergot and fresh peppermint (contains isovaleraldehyde) all mixed together for some time. This easily made brew could have easily fed hundreds of people. Other topics: Alchemy chemistry fun: Compilation of pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copeandia cyanescens trip reports, crown jewel of mushrooms: https://www.shroomery.org/forum How to extract 2.4g dmt from 170g bark using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask (heat and break resistant), post #15: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111 Tetrahydroharmine or THH and how to make her, Caapi visionary feminine teaching spirit: https://www.shroomery.org/forum Zero nausea HPBCD or aloe vera enhanced penetration Ayahuasca capsules: https://www.shroomery.org/forum Cactus tea before waterpark to beat the heat: https://www.shroomery.org/forum Make your own 1-acetaldehyde LSD at home from LSD, very similar to ALD-52 or the real orange sunshine: https://www.shroomery.org/forum LSD high dose trip: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman: https://www.shroomery.org/forum On my very first pan cyan mushroom trip, where I went to a house music club tripping with friends, I viewed laser light patterns on the floor of the club, where the women danced, I believe the mushrooms showed me how to form never before seen patterns, as went I went home, over the next several months, I built my own 6 channel audio generator that when these combined frequencies (3 on x channel and 3 on y channel) were sent to a laser x and y galvanometer, were able to produce brand new laser patterns such as collapsing circles and spinning lines 360 degrees which looked beyond belief in the fog as 3-d, I then went on to market these laser scanners to clubs on the strip, and they were a huge success...I owe this creative invention to the mushrooms which sparked new creative energies, way beyond thought, from a higher source where the mushrooms tap into. My love for house music stems back to those days of visiting many clubs as an entertainment laser lighting fixture creator and programmer and making friends with the many DJ's. Over the summer myself and friends were lifeguards at the local water park. But on the weekends we went to parties or house music clubs. https://soundcloud.com/discover https://www.friskyradio.com/ https://jaytechmusic.podbean.co
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Stranger Registered: 08/30/04 Posts: 1,083 Last seen: 1 month, 17 days |
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The ZERO NAUSEA 25g seed (800 seed) morning glory wine, simply decant and drink only what is above the 1/4" layer of particles at the bottom. The wine sits in fridge only a few hours, then all the particles fall to the bottom, and it's ready to use!
The particles at bottom are nauseating to the intestines so only drink the wine above it--zero nausea and a fabulous psychedelic trip. You can also drink this wine with regular LSD for a trip that is WAY BEYOND normal LSD. Way more colorful, way more music enhancing, way more visual and euphoric with divine healing. This wine can also be used for all your aldehyde experiments like making LSI, super potent, VERY similar to LSD but with a much more natural feel.
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Feel Like a Stranger Registered: 08/06/23 Posts: 159 Last seen: 18 hours, 47 minutes |
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I'm sorry if I missed it, but what's the dosing with this method? The wine from 15g/525 seeds is all consumed as one dose? Or is that split into multiple doses? Using this method, how much wine corresponds to a standard 100ug dose?
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shed light said:
Quote:The 25g limit is the most I've ever taken...be prepared, still not vasoconstriction at 25g or below. When you use the pure chemical isovaleraldehyde at a couple drops, then 100 seeds is indeed the equivalent of 100ug LSD, 200 seeds around 200ug of LSD. Unfortunately the average Joe will not be able to get this chemical any longer. You will need to substitute with a tablespoon of lemon juice, peppermint drops or peppermint tea instead, all sources of limited amounts of isovaleraldehyde. Here is a post that goes way back in time to why peppermint tea, etc. works, no one understood at the time why it worked so well, now we know, 69ron suspected something else undiscovered in the peppermint was responsible, and he was right. Special Note #1: 69ron (not me but a friend of mine from long ago, I have no idea what happened to him, but do miss him) once had a thread https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/
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Feel Like a Stranger Registered: 08/06/23 Posts: 159 Last seen: 18 hours, 47 minutes |
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Quote: I tried with the lemon juice (squeezed fresh directly from the lemon) as a substitute and added in a cup of peppermint tea after the initial 10 minutes in the fridge/filtration step. The end result was quite underwhelming at 16.6 grams of seeds. But this could be due to a number of bad practices in my method- improper grinder for the job, old seeds from the store, no actual DL tartaric acid. Hell, I'm not even sure the seed packets had the appropriate weights in them, as they seemed rather light for their advertised weight. I just scraped together what I could during the morning's errands and got results to match. Will have another go the proper way, following your instructions to a tee with better seeds and methods, minus the isovaleraldehyde. I'm not sure why a flavor/scent agent is so hard to acquire but I can't find any for sale outside the big chemical supply houses that require an account etc. Thank you so much for your amazing writeups and for your reply -------------------- Love is everything Life is good The opposite of negativity is gratitude Be KIND
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Quote: Doesn’t the purple flowers of MG contain a similar compound to cinnamaldehyde? From wiki: “Acylated cyanidin glycosides can be isolated from violet-blue flowers of I. purpurea. These anthocyanins were all based on cyanidin 3-sophoroside-5-glucoside, acylated with caffeic acid and/or p-coumaric acid.[8] Acylated pelargonidin glycosides can be isolated from the red-purple flowers of I. purpurea. The acylated anthocyanins were all based on pelargonidin 3-sophoroside-5-glucoside, acylated with caffeic acid and/or glucosylcaffeic acid.[9]“ Couldn’t this in theory be used as well? Like, maybe you could take MG seeds, the purple flowers, idk…maybe grapes for sugar, add wine yeast, ferment until it turns to a wine/vinegar and then separate the nasties? Then save that mother for future batches? Maybe adding other organisms to the mother making a sort of “super mother” capable of ‘Turning water into wine’….Idk, just asking for a friend ; ) Edited by djbabyjesus (09/22/23 12:32 PM)
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djbabyjesus said:
Quote:Excellent observation djbabyjesus! However, cinnamaldehyde contains double the amount of hydrogens and carbons thus weak activity, isovaleraldehyde contains the exact perfect number of hyrogen and carbons making it near equivalent to diethylamine from LSD, rats respond to this number as if they had been given LSD. It's the perfect weight and chemical structure to fit receptor perfectly, an ancient and modern miracle.
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Ah I see.
So…. I found this… “ Isovaleraldehyde, also known as beta-methylbutanal or iso-C4H9CHO, belongs to the class of organic compounds known as alpha-hydrogen aldehydes. These are aldehydes with the general formula HC(H)(R)C(=O)H, where R is an organyl group. Isovaleraldehyde exists in all eukaryotes, ranging from yeast to plants to humans. In yeast, isovaleraldehyde is involved in the metabolic pathway called the leucine degradation pathway. Based on a literature review a significant number of articles have been published on Isovaleraldehyde.” Let’s say someone took MG seeds/flowers, grapes and yeast…. Fermented until vinegar…. Through the “leucine degradation pathway” the yeast could hypothetically use available ingredients thus stripping (haha) the extra Hydrogen and carbon in the production of Isovaleraldehyde, ethanol etc.. Although, if you were already using yeast -> wine-> vinegar, the flowers would be unnecessary. Maybe the flowers help idk.
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Registered: 11/13/13 Posts: 341 |
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Also I found,
“ Tartaric acid levels in ripe grapes tend to lie between 3.5 and 11 g/L and they vary according to the variety of grape” As it turns out, the wine making process produces isovaleraldehyde as well. So maybe just make wine with grapes and MG seeds. It would take longer, but it could possibly yield a even better product due to the additional time, enzymes and unknown factors from fungal/bacterial fermentation. After one day of fermentation, there is a strong smell of ethyl acetate (paint fumes). This batch contains grapes, MG seeds/flowers, nutmeg, 5htp, l-dopa, lions mane, niacinamide(b3), natural yeast/bacteria and added bacillus subtillus. We’ll see how it goes…
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Just a few more questions if you would be so kind…. What is the role of diethyl ether in the synthesis of LSD? Does this add the “diethyl” part to Lysergic acid diethylamide?
Since diethyl ether is also produced during alcohol production… Then isn’t it possible the process of making MG wine, actually produces LSD, as well as other variations of Lysergic Acid? Hypothetically, if you let the fermentation go to the vinegar stage, couldn’t you then add zinc oxide or even aluminum oxide to produce LSD and the metabolite “3-hydroxy-lysergic acid diethylamide” 3-HO-LSD and/or 3-HO-LSA, 3-hydroxy-lysergic acid amide” Isn’t LSD actually a prodrug for 3-HO-LSD/LSA? Similar to the metabolism of diacetylmorphine (heroin) to morphine? (removes the acetyl group that was blocking the active 3-hydroxyl group) If this is true, it sounds very similar to the dephosphorylation of psilocybin to the active form, psilocin. One could make the case that an organism with the capability to create 5-HT by the addition of hydroxyl groups such as yeast, certain bacteria and mushrooms, would have the ability to turn LSA into 3,5-HO-LSD/LSA. Your thoughts? Edited by djbabyjesus (09/25/23 04:43 PM)
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Stranger Registered: 08/30/04 Posts: 1,083 Last seen: 1 month, 17 days |
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What I meant to say is that the 3-aminopentane discovered by Dr. Nichols to have LSD activity, corresponds directly to the isovaleraldehyde, as she has the exact same number of carbons and hydrogens, and this is phenomenal too...she even looks like the tale end of dmt or psilocin. I was lucky enought to still get a bottle of isovaleradhyde while it was still around...and let me tell you...she is like a natural version of LSD, I can see why the ancients were in adoration.
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So then someone could make 3-aminopentane from the MG flowers? And it’s active!? I wonder what it is like? And how to make it from the flowers? No sense in wasting good actives
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djbabyjesus said:
Quote: 3-aminopentane is only available to chemist who work at a University or chemist at a business address (not a residential address). Same with isovalearaldehyde. No chemical supplier will ship either chemical to a residential address. I was able to get isovalearaldehyde back when it was still available from ** *edia, heck, even ***zon had it a couple years ago. Look at a picture of the bottle I posted. You are correct djbabyjesus, isovalearaldehyde can also be found in peppermint leaf, pure peppermint oil, lemon juice, maybe even some wines, but mostly wines (like Sherry) contain acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde adduct + LSA = LSH or Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide, look above on this page and you'll see that LSH is a major component of fresh off the vine MG seeds, see the pics by Albert Hoffmann (discoverer of LSD). To form LSI, you only need a couple drops of isovaleraldehyde added to your spinning zero nausea MG shot wine along with 1 teaspoon of vinegar (the chemical catalyst which quickly forms LSI from LSA by a condensation reaction at the amide, as given by studies I cite above also). In the post above with all the pics, I explain the similarity of LSI to LSD and the 3-aminopentane discovered by Dr. Nichols. LSI causes the same stimulation as LSD (even if you take LSI at 6pm, you will still be wide awake at 3 in the morning). Same open eyed and closed eye visuals as LSD but LSI is more colorful and more music enhancing due to it imho hitting additional adrenal receptors that LSD does not hit (such as a2a, a2b, a2c). It makes up for potency (1mg lsi = 100ug Lsd) by it's additional action at multiple receptors that dmt, mescaline, psilocin all target. In other words, it lacks the "man-made" feeling of LSD but has the warm earthy signature of all the natural entheogens found in nature. Sorry, but I am unable to answer your questions about pro-drugs, I'm no expert on that. Just remember, to form LSD, it is formed from Lysergic Acid (not LSA) and a catalyst such as the peptide coupler Pybop stirring together with diethylamine, then it is separated from the catalyst (pybop) and cleaned. To form LSH, you use LSA and an aldehyde such as acetaldehyde stirring together to form LSH (with vinegar as the catalyst as it contains acetic acid which is the chemical catalyst) or to form LSI (the closest molecule in nature to LSD) you spin LSA with drops of isovaleraldehyde together with a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar (contains acetic acid condensation catalyst) as well.
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Hey thanks for the reply. Great info as usual. I saw in your other thread on cactus where you mentioned using zinc oxide….
Wiki says ‘diethylamide, can be produced via the alumina-catalyzed reaction makes diethylamine from ethanol and ammonia’. Since yeast produces ethanol and ammonia…. Could a similar procedure used in the cactus thread (adding zinc oxide) But instead use aluminum oxide during MG Seed sherry wine production to produce diethylamide? Then separate the alumina dust and spin with peptide coupler Pybop, then separate from the catalyst (pybop) and cleaned. Since the seeds also contain Lysergic acid… Is it possible this process produces a small amount of LSD, in addition to extracting LSH and converting some of the LSA to LSI and LSH? All the ingredients are there it seems. 🤷🏽 Sherry wine made from MG seeds with a few extra steps = LSH, LSI and LSD? Am I way off course here? Thanks again for your time 😎 Edited by djbabyjesus (09/30/23 01:44 PM)
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Forgive me if mentioned in the last 17 pages…
Quote: How’s that book coming? Been following the Eleusis topic, and the LSA chemistry, looks like some nice work! I’d add the book to my shelf. Do you know, will the book contain the LSH and LSI recipes? Edited by suba (10/02/23 01:50 AM)
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Also forgive me if u already mentioned this…are the purple grandpa ott strain of MG a no go? Are they just weak and need a larger dose or not recommended at all?
Is there a prime time to harvest? Like can they be harvested white or should I wait until they r brown/black? ~600 fresh seeds were collected. most had turned brown/black. soaked in lemon juice, sugar, a little partially made grape wine, added yeast, a little raw vinegar and a little spring water. Was gonna wait a couple weeks until it makes alcohol and becomes clear like when u add sherry wine. Should I toss this and start this over with different seeds? Edited by djbabyjesus (10/01/23 07:52 PM)
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suba said:
Quote:I'm reluctant to release a book now, only cause I'm disappointed no one can get isovalearaldehyde anymore. Hope ***zon will get it back in stock, right now they say "we are trying hard to have it back in stock". It is synthesized in India. Without the aldehyde available, this will be problematic, and all will have to use lemon juice, peppermint oil and or leaf...and there are only limited qty of it in these plants. I will wait and see what the future holds on availability..then decide...till then I've postponed the book for some time. Thanks for your interest suba. djbabyjesus said: Quote:Any variety of ipomoea should work, I only use heavenly blue as large amounts of them (lbs) are easily available (I keep them frozen at all times)...I don't grow them anymore...only a variety that is native to our state grows over and over each year on my planters. Should always wait until they are black to harvest otherwise the ergometrine in the seeds will not finish converting to LSH, etc. There are stages the alkaloids go thru to meet the conclusion of lots of LSH. Picking before that black color will leave you with zero to little LSH I have read in studies. Since you soaked in lemon juice (acidic) it seems all is well, like your recipe, hopefully you will be able to separate the alkaloids from the plant matter which is nauseating...if you do not have success..then simply follow the pics at the top of page 17 for zero nausea (no plant matter). If you for some reason you fail to trip on morning glory, then follow my threads on zero nausea cactus tea, zero nausea Ayahuasca capsules, panaeolus grow + THH (just like an incredible natural LSD!), etc...all these links are given on page 1 of this thread at the top, good luck, and keep me updated on your trip reports here....I will keep my fingers crossed that either ** *edia or ***zon will get the aldehyde isovaleraldehyde back in stock soon...c'mon India! you cannot order the chemical from china via alibaba either as it is prohibited, sad.
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Quote: I’m balls deep in those threads already my friend 😉 Awesome info I had no idea about. Your threads have opened my eyes to a whole new world of fun and enlightening experiences. I’m pretty sure B cappi vine is about to become one of my new best friends. The combos are where it’s at. Like gas to the fire 💦 🔥 🤯
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