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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Ganja420Boy] * 1
    #28327045 - 05/20/23 01:09 AM (8 months, 4 days ago)

The Dream Joint ...you can get a pound of seeds for $60 . I just bought some a few weeks ago .
I found this place a year ago and have been using it for an mhrb source. I've ordered from them about 15 times and so far so good


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Crackeddoor.77]
    #28408086 - 07/25/23 03:40 PM (6 months, 5 hours ago)

Eva Radke said:
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Absolutely igorcarajo.  Go midway down on page 11 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/fpart/11/vc/1 and you will see pictures labeled pic 1 thru pic 8 with step by step instructions. Notice: NO EVERCLEAR is mentioned. But we warned  if you attempt this very easy process with WATER instead of wine, the emulsion in the fridge will not ever clear as I learned the hard way.  Wine is an absolute in this process. You will be rewarded with zero nausea just as promised, but with all the actives. From that wine extract on ward is where you began the process of aldehyde experiments, always being sure to add a tablespoon of vinegar which contains the acetic acid which is the chemical catalyst for the amide (LSA) to form new bonds with any in the area aldehydes (acetaldehyde in wine = LSA to LSH), LSA to LSI etc.


Yes, as Eva said the easy steps to follow for the zero nausea mg wine are on page 11. Isovaleraldehyde is around the price of two movie tickets for 25ml. Just 2 drops needed. All this is explained on page 1 with dozen pics.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
    #28410244 - 07/27/23 11:27 AM (5 months, 29 days ago)

Important note: isovaleraldehyde used to be widely available even on *mazon and *igh media, (extracted or synthesized in India) but now only a couple places have it for sale directly to individuals, search for 25ml bottle, other places only sell to businesses or university. I am sorry it's not widely available, it is found in mint leaf and steam distilled mint oil. A 25ml bottle (around the price of 2 to 3 movie tickets) has 500 drops, so 2 drops per dose you add and spin with your morning glory wine for 1 hour at high speed on your stir mantel with 1 to 2 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar (contains acetic acid which is the chemical catalyst for the aldehyde adduction) will last around 250 doses or a lifetime.

See post #1 downloadable attachment in references section at the end of paper, for the study that even back in 1937 showed cinnamaldehyde (an even longer chain aldehyde than isovaleraldehyde) adducts onto LSA like looking molecules, and remains stable.

Forensic tests have shown that LSH does indeed reach the brain and was found in bloodstream and urine of 2 teenagers, so it does remain stable and reach the brain...

...and yes LSI does indeed also remain stable and reach the brain. The study even showed that a catalyst was not even needed to work with cinnamaldehyde, but I use a chemical catalysts (acetic acid in vinegar) to speed up reaction and guarantee it's success anyways, just like the studies I posted on post #1.

Convert ml to drops: https://www.unitconverters.net/volume/milliliter-to-drop.htm

LSA + isovaleraldehyde = Lysergic acid Isovaleraldemide.

I will post more trip reports in future.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
    #28410796 - 07/27/23 07:12 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

I’m much more interested in seeing some actual analytical tests done on your samples that are claimed to be converted to LSI/LSH rather than another trip report.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Bardy]
    #28417770 - 08/02/23 06:46 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

Having an ultra bad ass time tonight, 4 hours in...combined the zero nausea morning glory wine made with 25 grams heavenly blue seeds and several drops isovaleraldehyde with 3 hits of LSD, felt like 6 hits of acid and all the alkaloids in the morning glory seeds made it feel ultra-natural with intense shimmering of all visuals, deep insights, divine healing. The 6 other alkaloids in mg add so much more to the experience..very unique.

I never take LSD unless I combine it with at least 20 grams plus of morning glory wine, feels so much more like a high dose natural version of LSD, hits all the extra adrenal receptors that LSD normally does not hit, (same ones mescaline hits) this makes it extra colorful, no man made feeling at all, music is ultra enhanced way beyond just LSD. The shimmering of visuals is to die for. I like to combine the MG wine with LSD, cause I have lots of LSD and need to use it up. Been enjoying the tunes of jaytech all night.

If you need help making the zero nausea mg wine just go to page 11, and go half way down and follow the easy steps with pics: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/page/2/fpart/11/vc/1

https://jaytechmusic.podbean.com/


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
    #28432220 - 08/13/23 11:25 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

Forensic tests have shown that LSH (LSA + acetaldehyde adduct = LSH) does indeed reach the brain and was found in bloodstream and urine of 2 teenagers, so it does remain stable and reach the brain: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20018470/

I've had numerous pm's to condense the tek onto 1 page with pics, as lots of people are wanting to try this, so here it is...print this out and carry it with you and study it, it's super easy and fast I promise.

COMPLETE TEK ON HOW TO MAKE LSH and LSI combo or just LSI (your preference) on this one page with supporting studies, very simple:

Self trip with 600 seeds:
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LSI trip report made from MG seeds: on my 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with 3 drops isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful. Mentally: Deep healing head space.



If you only have a few HBWR seeds, you can mix them for a few minutes with pure peppermint oil drops, see post #1 for recommendation on how many drops of pure peppermint oil to use, or just read below.

This trip report from Kash (long time LSA master) below is taken from post #3 of the beginning of this thread....keep in mind that LEMON JUICE also contains isovaleraldehyde, my best trip report using just a few HBWR was when I mixed them with fresh lemon juice from the fridge for a while, then consumed.

Do not use the cheap grocery store peppermint alcohol extract, instead buy real Peppermint oil max dosage: Adults: 0.2 to 0.4 mL (4 drops to 8 drops max for adults, DO NOT EXCEED: https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues/2007/0401/p1027.html

I still don't recommend using HBWR but it will still work to form LSI, see post #2 at very beginning of this thread: all about why this is so (MG vs HBWR seeds)...the main reason is that HBWR contains high amounts of ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction...whereas MG only has traces of it, I've used MG up to 25g and still no cramping or vasoconstriction. You can get way higher on MG seed LSI whereas with HBWR you will start to experience the somatic side effects of cramping way sooner due to the ergometrine if you are not careful on dosage, it's a balancing act with HBWR. 

Psychonauts (psychedelic astronauts): you can still find isovaleraldehyde out there, you just have to look, try looking for the 25ml bottle.

Kash:
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Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil (contains 2mg acetaldehyde per 5 drops, editors note: and contains even more isovaleraldehyde) yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.

I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.



p.s if you read post #2, you will see that ALL the best MG trip reports involved adding fresh lemon juice, examples below, this is because LEMON JUICE ALSO contains isovaleraldehyde:

vespiary:
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Having read someone's description of a cold water extraction with added lemon juice, I decided to try it one day. I've tried this method several times and will describe my best trip to date following these notes…

I've found that the ideal dose for my body weight (5'9, 200 lb.) is 30 grams of seeds. I TRIPPED HARD AS HELL.

I saw geometric patterns in everything…

It ranked up there with the best trips of my life, and that includes Mescaline, LSD, and Mushrooms. The trip lasted for about 8 hours and seemed to peak at about 3 hours. Unlike an acid trip where I peak rapidly and then come down fast, this is more like I peak slowly, level off, and then come down slow. I am always in control of my faculties.



Hermes (Lycaeum):
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With a 400 morning glory seed extract into cold distilled water with a squirt of lemon juice, I see amazing three and seemingly four-dimensional shapes morphing and bifurcating. Often I get religious and esoteric themed visuals, like fractal cherub wings and winged eyes like those in some of Alex Grey's work. Eyes are all over everything! I see pyramids and sphinxes and Gigeresque biomechanical forms. I see amazing geometric lattice structures. I watch mathematical space-filling algorithms doing their thing.

I also find that I can control the imagery by an act of will. Anything I intend to visualize comes forth and then goes beyond what I had imagined and then transforms into something else. This is great for artists! I could swear that on one occasion while listening to Mozart's Requiem, Heaven itself opened up inside my skull! It was incredible! OH, THE BEAUTY! I saw glorious celestial architecture and there were seraphs singing along with the chorus in the music. I just can't even begin to describe what this was like.

I had tears streaming down my face. I was in the highest ecstacy I have ever known. And all of this with a nothing more than a good mindset, good music, and only about 500 seeds. I'll never forget it. It was probably all in my imagination, programmed by my Catholic upbringing. I don't know and don't really care where it came from. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever experienced, and I still feel great joy when I think of it. I felt so whole!



My comment: Lemon juice also contains ISOVALERALDEHYDE just like peppermint leaf.

Hermes (lycaeum March 2003) on morning glory visuals & strength, extracted into cold distilled water with a squirt of lemon juice:
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Depending on seed quality, you should get some weak to decent effects from 8 grams, like mild reality bending, marked enhancement of aesthetic perception, insights, weak open eye visuals, moderate but subtle closed eye visuals (especially with music). I find that more satisfactory results are achieved with more seeds, like 14 grams or more. This much is needed to enter truly psychedelic territory. I wouldn't recommend this much if you haven't tried lower doses with the same seeds and method, however.

I usually just measure by Burpee bags. These are 1.8 grams each. I have used anything ranging from 3 to 12 of these. Strangely, the 12 bag trip was relatively weak. They must have been some old seeds. My strongest experience ever with MG seeds was with the Martha Stewart brand from K-Mart. I had strong effects, with good open eye visuals, on only 300 seeds! I used a cold water extraction with some added lemon juice, but the alcoholic extract by Stretchman also here at the Lycaeum I tried was the strongest.

I had strong 4D lattice-like open eye visuals and warping and melting of furniture with only 400 seeds. There are about 32-36 seeds to a gram. The Martha Stewarts are more expensive than the Burpees. They are like $1.30 a bag or something close to that for a 1.2 gram bag. The Burpees are something like $0.88 a bag and each bag has 1.8 grams. That's $2.05 a gram for Martha Stewart seeds and $0.92 a gram for Burpee seeds. It seems to be a trade off.



My comment: lemon juice contains isovalearaldehyde as well.

Nogal (the Nook):
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Yes I know of someone who tried the CWE method with the Heavenly Blue variety, except with the substitution of a coffee grinder in place of a stone metate (I think that's what is called but I could be wrong), and a squirt of lemon in the water, with around 400-500 seeds. Closed and open eyed visuals were extremely breath taking. Some of the most prominent visions were of Aztec/Mayan glyphic patterns, a menacing and demonic technicolor nymph made of light who tried to seduce the viewer, and this bizare trail of energy spheres which each contained a different stylized animal form (again definately of Aztec/Mayan origin).



My comment: lemon juice contains isovalearaldehyde as well.

dmthead420:
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Seems this does do alot more, its alot more refined, clean, less body high all mind high.. i extracted 700 riveas into 100 ml of lemon juice , 50ml water .. that sat 9hrs in the fridge(water stayed the color of lemon juice but smelled like alkaloids) i filtered and added 100ml of sherry wine and that sat 6hours..

A buddy and i sampled 12ml of this and the effect is way different from just eating the seeds or just a simple water extract..

No body feelings AT ALL, not even the normal body buzz.. just a extreme lsd like head and abstract thoughts, better sense of understanding.... Real soon i am def going to try a large dose ..I Feel GreaT...I will no longer do it any other way.....my friend says the same.



Norman, mycotopia, said on 16 September 2019:
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Years ago I stumbled across a simple method for dosing HBWR.
Grind the seeds and cover them with white wine, let sit in the fridge for a day or so, shaking occasionally, decant, filter and drink.
No nausea no aches no vasoconstriction.
I am now off alcohol completely so I’m thinking of an alternative method short of a full on extraction.
I’m convinced that something in the wine besides water and alcohol is what makes the trip so clean. I’ve tried twelve percent water alcohol mixes in the past and still had the nasty side effects and at the same time the trip is not as strong.
I’m thinking acetaldehyde and or tartaric acid may be involved or at least a good place to start.
Any thought on what chemically may be going on?



Red22:
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"This paper states tha "LSH" was identified in blood and/or urine samples in two individuals who ingested the seeds. This is interesting because Peter Webster alleges that LSH will immediately decompose when in the body. This paper indicates that that's not true.

Klinke HB, Müller IB, Steffenrud S and Dahl-Sørensen R, Two cases of lysergamide intoxication by ingestion of seeds, which resulted in one fatality due to falling from a building and one surviving witness. Forensic Sci Int, 2010, 197(1-3), e1-5. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20018470/





Easy steps, I've used this process over two dozen times in a 2 year period, it works with zero nausea:

---> You can even drink this LSH and LSI enhanced liquid extract at the same time you drop your LSD for an experience that is way beyond LSD, the LSH and LSI adds infinite dimensions to the normal LSD experience, like incredible (I mean phenomenal !) music enhancement, every sound in the music is "epic", infinite beauty enhancement, strong sensual feelings, strong neon like color saturation, flowing visuals, energy fields seen in constant motion around all objects, heavy tracers, etc. These qualities LSH and LSI adds are very similar to what cactus tea adds in my experience when added to LSD. 

This is most likely due to LSH and LSI hitting 5 more adrenal recpetors associated with beauty, aesthetics and sensuality beyond normal LSD, see radioligand chart for LSH. I used this potion every time I tripped, you can even add it to cactus tea by taking drinking the LSH potion 1 hour later (always stagger 1 hour so the amides do not clash with the trace maoi's in cactus, only take in that order) it's incredible.
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--> How to make the ZERO NAUSEA morning glory wine which is used for all aldehyde experiments, example: forming LSH and LSI from the LSA in the seeds: <--

How this works, from 2022 aldehydes paper, see 1960's study by Arcamone, go to post #1 to read all the studies (5 papers). LSH and LSI do make it to the bloodstream and urine, so it does indeed reach the brain so long as you keep it in it's original state (in acidic wine so it does not decompose back to LSA which will happen in plain water or nonacidic solutions) store in fridge or freeze in freezer to keep forever, drink as so.

Pic 1: Sherry wine is the wine highest in acetaldehyde.

Pic 2: With only a lamp on in garage, no overhead bright light: grind 15 grams or 525 heavenly blue morning glory seeds in a coffee grinder (35 seeds per gram) using 10 second grind with occasional shaking of coffee grinder, pause 5 seconds, then grind again 10 seconds, repeat x 4 times, you will end up with a dust like consisteny, all the alkaloids are extracted from within the tough rubbery embryo of the seed. 525 seeds x .01mg LSA per seed = 5mg LSA

Pic 3: Place ground seed dust into a 1/2 pint tall jar (*almart case of 12, canning section), add 4 shots of cold just opened fresh sherry wine from the fridge, and around 30mg of DL tartaric acid which aids the extraction (from hi media store, *mazon, auction or similar). Do not use plain L-tartaric acid used in wine making, get the good stuff, which contains the D isomer. D-lyergic acid amide isomer salts are the potent form of salts. 

And also ADD a tiny splash or 1 to 2 teaspoons of acetic acid or VINEGAR (I use apple cider vinegar) to catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA: acetaldehyde in this case onto the amide of LSA, and isovaleraldehyde to form LSI. The vinegar acts as an important catalyst as it contains acetic acid, and speeds the formation of new adduct product, see study below:

From Mehra, R.K & Panya, K.C. 1938, The condensation of aldehydes with amides - part III, the condensation of cinnamaldehyde with acetamide. Proc Natl Acad Sci India Phys Sci 7(6). 376-380

NOTE: from paper: Acetamide (very similar to LSA) when cinnamaldehyde adduct added, forms: N,N'cinnamylidenediacetamide just as LSA + isovaleraldehyde forms LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide. RATS RESPOND TO it as if they had been given LSD, and this human rat loves the effects, the closest thing in nature I've ever experienced that is very similar to LSD. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE !!! :heart::heart::heart:

Cinnamaldehyde should not be used as it contains nearly twice the number of carbons and hydrogens and thus weak activity due to this (weights way too much)...only use isovaleraldehyde (weight is perfect) to form the potent LSI. However, I am showing the study so that you see an even "longer chain aldehyde than isovalearaldehyde" will even adduct onto acetamide or LSA as proven in study. 

YOU WILL LOVE LSI, it is so very similar to LSD !!!





Re-seal your sherry wine by spraying wine preservation canister which has inert gas (contains argon, carbon dioxide, etc.) around ten dollars from *mazon into your wine before sealing with cork and placing back in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde in the wine will not oxidize to vinegar as normally happens over a 5 day period when corked without preserving. 

Put lid on and shake contents for 1 to 2 minutes.

Place jar into fridge for 10 minutes after the 2 minute shaking, during this time the nauseating seed debris can be seen falling to the bottom.

Pic 4: Filter entire contents of jar thru a "coffee wire filter" from *almart or *amazon or your local grocery store sitting atop a glass, the liquid above the seed debris will filter real fast in seconds, then filter the debris at the bottom from the jar, once the debris is in basket, use a spoon to press down on it to get all the liquid out, this only takes around 10 seconds.

Pic 5: Place this filtered liquid in the fridge for 3 hours or even overnight, within 3 hours, all of the nauseating to the intestines seed debris will have fallen to the bottom. This process begins within an hour after sitting in fridge, check each hour and watch as the seed debris falls by around an inch each hour.

Pic 6: After 3 hours or longer, decant the liquid from above the bottom 1/4" of seed debris, this is what you want to consume, it is psychedelic and results in zero nausea, as there is no seed debris in it. DO NOT DRINK the SEED DEBRIS at very bottom or you will become nauseated and sick, don't worry, there are no alkaloids in it. 

Note: never try to extract your seeds using just plain acidified water, I have tried this before, your seed debris will not separate out in the fridge, and you end up with a complete emulsion in the coffee wire filter which will not filter at all, wine is needed to effect the proper extraction, and allows the liquid to separate from the seed emulsion below, this will not happen with a plane water extration. This is how the ancient Aztec and Mayan extracted the seeds using balche, an alcohol they made themselves, see 2nd pic. 

Rest of the pics:

sources of isovaleraldehyde: pure chemical (on line 25ml bottle) or you can use fresh lemon juice or pure peppermint oil, I prefer to use the pure chemical.

Use ice bath on your stirrer to keep wine as a combo of LSH + LSI (as LSH adduct acetaldehyde boils off at room temp, so always keep cold, to form LSI only, omit the ice bath, as LSI does not boil off till 198 degree F).

All the alkaloids are concentrated in the fridge decanted liquid above the seed debris. This contains your LSA which has adducted to the acetaldehyde in the wine, forming new amounts of LSH, since the wine is at ph=4, the new LSH adduct product will remain stable indefinately, store in fridge if you plan to use within a few days, or you can freeze and de-thaw in fridge overnight to use next day. It dethaws fast since it is wine.

You just formed LSH using the method above, to form LSI, simply take your 4 shot morning glory wine, and at this point add your 3 drops of isovaleraldehyde along with 1 to 2 teaspoons apple cider vinegar (if you don't have the pure chemical then add teaspoon or more of lemon juice, or several drops of pure peppermint oil) to form new molecule similar to LSD in every way. Be sure to spin for around 1 hour at high speed. I always use the pure chemical as I have it. Don't forget to add the apple cider vinegar as it contains the acetic acid catalyst which speeds up the adduct chemical reaction.




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References: Lysergic acid Isovaleraldemide, LSI

The aldehyde in peppermint oil and leaf and lemon juice is Isovaleraldehyde otherwise known as 3-methylbutanal. If you are a business or researcher you can order it directly, there are also two places that sell direct to individuals, just google it. They delivered it straight to my door, one place starts with a "*******" All you need to add is two drops of this to your LSA sherry wine liquid extract as it spins on the stir mantel for 1 hour at high speed, also must add 1 teaspoon of either vinegar or apple cider vinegar (my preference), as the acetic acid in the vinegar is the catalyst for the condensation of the isovaleraldehyde onto the LSA forming Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide, see study above.

There is .01mg LSA in 100 seeds (.01 x 100 = 1mg LSA), just a 100 seed extract has effects very similar to 100ug of LSD, LSI is 1/10th the potency of LSD. Immense visual power with closed eye geometrics, wild colors, music sounds bad ass, divine healing power. I have prepared an extract with 200 seeds and the strength increases similar to 200ug of acid.

I have been tripping my ass off every 14 days or so taking this LSI liquid extract around 1 hour after a very small bridgesii tea prepared with only 450 grams of bridgesii cactus chuncks from around the core (around 225mg mescaline), as I love the combo of cactus + LSD, this is no different. Yes, I have tried LSI many times without the cactus, super potent, highly recommend. I will be using LSI for the rest of my life.

This aldehyde is completely safe and has been administered in high does to rats with no ill effects. This aldehyde as you can see from paper makes up a substantial part of peppermint oil and leaf.

More on LSI:

chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2
chemical formula for isovaleraldehyde is (CH3)2 CH2 CH2 CHO

Notice isovaleraldehyde even LOOKS EARILY similar to the tale end of psilocin or DMT with nearly the same exact chemical formula as the tail end of psilocin or DMT, see pics in middle :eek:

diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.

Both the 3-aminopentane and the isovaleraldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.

The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and isovaleraldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.

Dr Nichols:
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The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.

Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.

We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.



3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD.

Last several pics: Home grown fresh potent mg seeds....if you can't grow them yourself, buy them on-line in bulk and store in freezer to keep potent until you use...also shown: the priest may have made LSI from claviceps paspali ergot (same alkaloid profile as the mesoamerican morning glory) as it grows it the famous Rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis, and served it for 2,000 years in ancient Greece to the psychedelic initiates (hundreds of people drank it at once every Sept). The Kykeon brew was known to contain ergot and fresh peppermint (contains isovaleraldehyde) all mixed together for some time. This easily made brew could have easily fed hundreds of people.



Other topics: Alchemy chemistry fun:

Compilation of pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copeandia cyanescens trip reports, crown jewel of mushrooms:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398/page/1

How to extract 2.4g dmt from 170g bark using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask (heat and break resistant), post #15:
https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

Tetrahydroharmine or THH and how to make her, Caapi visionary feminine teaching spirit:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/page/1

Zero nausea HPBCD or aloe vera enhanced penetration Ayahuasca capsules:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/page/1

Cactus tea before waterpark to beat the heat:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28411312/page/4



Make your own 1-acetaldehyde LSD at home from LSD, very similar to ALD-52 or the real orange sunshine:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28441105

LSD high dose trip: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28451382

On my very first pan cyan mushroom trip, where I went to a house music club tripping with friends, I viewed laser light patterns on the floor of the club, where the women danced, I believe the mushrooms showed me how to form never before seen patterns, as went I went home, over the next several months, I built my own 6 channel audio generator that when these combined frequencies (3 on x channel and 3 on y channel) were sent to a laser x and y galvanometer, were able to produce brand new laser patterns such as collapsing circles and spinning lines 360 degrees which looked beyond belief in the fog as 3-d, I then went on to market these laser scanners to clubs on the strip, and they were a huge success...I owe this creative invention to the mushrooms which sparked new creative energies, way beyond thought, from a higher source where the mushrooms tap into. My love for house music stems back to those days of visiting many clubs as an entertainment laser lighting fixture creator and programmer and making friends with the many DJ's. Over the summer myself and friends were lifeguards at the local water park. But on the weekends we went to parties or house music clubs. 

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 *DELETED* [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: butterflydawn]
    #28436817 - 08/17/23 07:24 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

He's not entirely off base, imho.

ex.

Some of the finer details concerning Hoffman's account of how his initial exposure to LSD-25 occurred can seem sketchy / suspicious. Especially the claim that it was unintentionally absorbed via skin contact; which, at least, to me - seems more like a literary embellishment meant to serve as an alibi to save face, rather then have it melted down later by rumor & gossip from both his peers and or the public in general. 

Having said that, regarding LSD itself as either being transdermally active in humans or not - which is it?  If it's not an 'either or' deal - then how active is it % wise?

What's the bottom line?  Because, from what I've tried, and, of that of what I've read about it, the answer varies.  However, it seems as if general consensus about that leans heavily on the side of something more less like:  'Possibly, but no...not so much really':shrug: .:doh:







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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
    #28436949 - 08/17/23 09:35 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

Quote:

tregar said:
Important note: isovaleraldehyde used to be widely available even on *mazon and *igh media, (extracted or synthesized in India) but now only a couple places have it for sale directly to individuals, search for 25ml bottle, other places only sell to businesses or university. I am sorry it's not widely available, it is found in mint leaf and steam distilled mint oil. A 25ml bottle (around the price of 2 to 3 movie tickets) has 500 drops, so 2 drops per dose you add and spin with your morning glory wine for 1 hour at high speed on your stir mantel with 1 to 2 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar (contains acetic acid which is the chemical catalyst for the aldehyde adduction) will last around 250 doses or a lifetime.

See post #1 downloadable attachment in references section at the end of paper, for the study that even back in 1937 showed cinnamaldehyde (an even longer chain aldehyde than isovaleraldehyde) adducts onto LSA like looking molecules, and remains stable.

Forensic tests have shown that LSH does indeed reach the brain and was found in bloodstream and urine of 2 teenagers, so it does remain stable and reach the brain...

...and yes LSI does indeed also remain stable and reach the brain. The study even showed that a catalyst was not even needed to work with cinnamaldehyde, but I use a chemical catalysts (acetic acid in vinegar) to speed up reaction and guarantee it's success anyways, just like the studies I posted on post #1.

Convert ml to drops: https://www.unitconverters.net/volume/milliliter-to-drop.htm

LSA + isovaleraldehyde = Lysergic acid Isovaleraldemide.

I will post more trip reports in future.




Can we see some analytical testing done to verify this method? I'd love to see some confirmation this works via GC/MS or LC/MS spectra.

I get that we are often on the front lines in regards to this type of thing and the data comes later, but being somebody who is trained in chemistry you could have the means to cut that stage out entirely.

I think if you want this to catch on it will be more likely to happen with analytical data available that others can replicate with their own third party testing. Otherwise this is just starting to look like the new oilahuasca.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: TheDirtFarmer] * 3
    #28437586 - 08/17/23 08:25 PM (5 months, 8 days ago)

We just keep getting oodles and oodles of writing that basically boil down to the statement “I mixed these two things together and it feels different to me maaann”.

It’s also not good that actual LSD is being taken with the so called LSI, because that’ll just cloud your judgment even more. Nothing about this is scientific at all but it’s being presented as such.

Good for you Tregar if you’ve found something you like, I won’t knock you for that, but if you’re certain that this stuff is pretty much as good as LSD and actually want to convince people then we need to see evidence, not just anecdotes about how your trip felt different… there’s 16 pages of thread with you saying the same things over and over, it’s like you’re stuck in a time loop.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Bardy]
    #28440284 - 08/20/23 08:32 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Here is a post where several of us talk about using HBWR seeds, my comments several posts down: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=28440282&page=0&vc=1#28440282

Some people will try to keep you down, but I'm a life long chemist, it's my job to perform chemistry and research all day long for a living. I only post what works. My motive is to help others heal from addictions, pain and suffering such as depression, I've helped many to do this and it makes me happy and gives me satisfaction. I should know because I cured my own addictions and depression of seeing loved ones die. My favorite Shamanic tools for this are traditional real Ayahuasca, pan cyan mushrooms and LSI and LSD and cactus tea.

--> Go up a few posts on this page 16 for the complete 1 page tek with pics and easy fast steps for making LSH or LSH + LSI combo, or just plain LSI...it only takes a few minutes to prepare with a couple hours sitting in fridge, then she is ready to drink <--

And yes, I do have analysis of LSI, but I am saving that and all the details for the book. This has already gotten out, as I started writing about this over a year ago, and isovaleraldehyde has already become banned for shipment by 100% of the chemical suppliers out there last I checked. The last thing the Gov't wants is for kids to make LSI at home, it's too damn easy. You had your time to buy the stuff while it was still available, but nobody took me seriously, now it's too late. It's really ashamed as our democracy has made psychedelics illegal, even though the founders of our democracy in Greece drank the sacred Kykeon brew at Eleusis for 2,000 years every Sept like clockwork.

Other topics: Alchemy chemistry fun:

Compilation of pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copeandia cyanescens trip reports, crown jewel of mushrooms:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398/page/1

How to extract 2.4g dmt from 170g bark using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask (heat and break resistant), post #15:
https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

Tetrahydroharmine or THH and how to make her, Caapi visionary feminine teaching spirit:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/page/1

Zero nausea HPBCD or aloe vera enhanced penetration Ayahuasca capsules:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/page/1

Cactus tea before waterpark to beat the heat:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28411312/page/4



Make your own 1-acetaldehyde LSD at home from LSD, very similar to ALD-52 or the real orange sunshine:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28441105

LSD high dose trip: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28451382

On my very first pan cyan mushroom trip, where I went to a house music club tripping with friends, I viewed laser light patterns on the floor of the club, where the women danced, I believe the mushrooms showed me how to form never before seen patterns, as went I went home, over the next several months, I built my own 6 channel audio generator that when these combined frequencies (3 on x channel and 3 on y channel) were sent to a laser x and y galvanometer, were able to produce brand new laser patterns such as collapsing circles and spinning lines 360 degrees which looked beyond belief in the fog as 3-d, I then went on to market these laser scanners to clubs on the strip, and they were a huge success...I owe this creative invention to the mushrooms which sparked new creative energies, way beyond thought, from a higher source where the mushrooms tap into. My love for house music stems back to those days of visiting many clubs as an entertainment laser lighting fixture creator and programmer and making friends with the many DJ's. Over the summer myself and friends were lifeguards at the local water park. But on the weekends we went to parties or house music clubs. 

https://soundcloud.com/discover
https://www.friskyradio.com/
https://jaytechmusic.podbean.com/


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
    #28446926 - 08/25/23 11:34 PM (4 months, 30 days ago)

Paranoia from the drug war is really the same historical paranoia from unjustified authority. I agree with you. It is frankly disturbing. I, as some may know, am disturbed more often than I care to remark, and this is really because of an increased awareness, which I think is also what psychedelics do. They are called mind expanding but I think it does this by increasing one's awareness of things, which become trivial bits of knowledge afterwards. I think it can make a person aware of things in another they may often overlook... perhaps even useful in finding out someone's real intentions... And furthermore it can make you see certain things... For me it was always the highway, or any road with many cars. It looks horrifying to me on any psychedelic, I must admit... I don't know the exact way to put it, but it has something to do with the wasteland-like colors and material. The fact people are hypnotized by the road also becomes much clearer. I usually see all the people... and I have a lot of empathy on psychedelics, so it makes me want to leave the car and address them and announce that everyone needs to come together immediately, and that everyone needs to get off the road right now and just walk together... or something approximating that. I cannot be around large groups of people in an environment like that, which... many roads are packed full of people but I digress. I would never actually do such a thing, but I really think roads suck people's souls away and steal their time. Maybe this is just me. I do not like heavy traffic or roads with a lot of cars. That environment is what in architecture is called a 'non space,' like the tiny curb that homeless man is walking on beside the road. It isn't meant for any person to be there, and if you find yourself there... it is probably not pleasant without the psychedelic... much less with. Yikes! For me it is even being in a car on a psychedelic. The car does not look normal. Everything isn't normal about it. I'd rather a nice, comfy, safe place.
Maybe I experience more paranoia than most... I think the drug war has been a massive failure. I think mushrooms must be legalized by virtue of the first amendment, but that is beside the point. Anyone should be able to grow any medicinal substance. Should people be able to grow 5 acres of coca and manufacture cocaine hydrochloride by the kilo, which they then sell? I don't think so. Cannabis, however, has a variety of uses. I think there should be laws distinguishing the specific details of substances, and I think the only drug enforcement laws should regard large amounts of actually dangerous substances like cocaine, fentanyl, flakka, etc; pure substances extracted or put through a chemical process to make large quantities which are then sold on the black market. I think that could be extinguished with a rational perspective, which would allow people to legally purchase lsd, mdma, mushrooms... how much does a person really need of this stuff? I think rational laws COULD be constructed that could give people enough of what they need... But this leaves people scratching their heads. So people should just be running around high on god knows what? This is why it is an error to delete the historical, shamanic usage of these substances, especially that of ancient Greece. Some people may say that it is not only impossible to make a return to the traditions of ancient Greece but that we shouldn't even bother. This is a serious mistake. Something approximating Eleusis needs to come back into existence. I believe the downfall of Eleusis is really what led to the rise in Christianity and the downfall of Rome, and the dark ages, which were only ended with the Renaissance, and is really in the modern day with, for instance, the American government being founded by those whom credited certain Romans as the inspiration, but I digress again. If there was an adequate and public outlet for the use of psychedelics (not just in clubs and paid music festivals) then that would give psychedelics a practical understanding. It would once again be associated with the spiritual element of our existence, which people call 'spiritual' but is really emotional connection. This can be done in large groups with psychedelics, as they still do in South America. I have never done ayahuasca, but it does interest me. They did it by the thousands in ancient Greece and Rome... and that blows my mind, I can't believe people aren't recreating it now... But then again I can because the current system is a certain variation of thought from antiquity, which specifically states, just as Voltaire did and I quote "The rabble are not worthy of enlightenment," and... everyone knows the Plato... that 'the rabble' ought to be governed by philosopher kings and real and persistent illusions. Considering people to be 'the rabble,' which becomes a hypostatized concept, which is mistakingly treated as a real thing, is the real illusion. 'The rabble' is created by those with the intentions of Plato, and it is in the very address, that very perspective where it becomes so. I think the awareness of this thing itself is something psychedelics show, and this is why I definitely don't watch any news anchor or talk show on a psychedelic. It is the sort of perspective which labels people as objects and classifies things according to hypostatized ideals that I think psychedelics dissolve. I highly doubt Plato took any psychedelic late in life, but I digress again.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar]
    #28446943 - 08/26/23 12:30 AM (4 months, 30 days ago)

I don't think any of the ancient temples make sense without the Telesterion. This is the largest Temple ever built, to hold thousands of people during a group psychedelic experience. It could easily be done again and perhaps better. The only issue becomes implications. The implications of people doing this together really goes against the materialism, egoism, and idealism of capitalism, which really destroys democracy... Democracy was ruined twice before... By the same thing we are facing today; a loss of meaningful connectedness to one another. When people lose that they look to ideals, rules and to dictators.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28446983 - 08/26/23 03:02 AM (4 months, 30 days ago)

I'm starting to think that LAH really is the strongest chemical in these seeds. I just made a lengthy post about my views on reddit and I even saw fit to quote you in the post, Blue_Lux: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskDrugNerds/comments/15ytks6/comment/jxswlec/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Also, I just learned that it was recently discovered that a certain claviceptaceous fungi generates almost entirely LAH! And it can be cultured using agar! If this is true, then we have home cultivation of lysergic shrooms in the future!

The fungus Metarhizium brunneum produces ergot alkaloids of the lysergic acid amide class, most abundantly lysergic acid α-hydroxyethylamide (LAH).

...the plant root symbiont and insect pathogen
Metarhizium brunneum produces ergonovine and LAH, with the concentration of LAH dwarfing that of ergonovine by approximately 200 to 1[5, 6].

Contribution of a novel gene to lysergic acid amide synthesis in Metarhizium brunneum. Britton, K.N., Steen, C.R., Davis, K.A., Sampson, J.K., Panaccione, D.G. BMC Res Notes 15, 183 (2022). doi: 10.1186/s13104-022-06068-2



SEM of the fruiting bodies of the fungus ergot (Claviceps purpurea).
Credit: Eye Of Science / Science Photo Library



My reddit thread contains additional quotes: https://www.reddit.com/r/LSA/comments/15y5ifd/fungus_unrelated_to_ergot_generates_almost/


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: s240779]
    #28447419 - 08/26/23 01:06 PM (4 months, 30 days ago)

That is fascinating. Whatever the Greeks were growing silvestribus sæpibus densa or lucis opacis must have been some sort of fungus. I thought Psilocybe serbica fit the picture, but Creon antigone is convinced it is still likely ergot. I think there is a linguistic argument to be made that it was not (only) ergot as ergot is not a masculine noun in antiquity, and boletus and fungus, the words for 'mushroom,' as well as torus (protuberance), are masculine nouns. αΐρα, aera, argana, which are old words for ergot, are all feminine. In the Vergil quote it is "Toros et prata recentia incolimus." Prata recentia is neuter and means fresh grasses but could mean something like artificial meadows but I digress. Toros is masculine. I am fascinated by the possibility of some other sort of fungus growing psychedelic protuberances, especially lysergic fungi... like... Wwwhhaaat? I will have to keep reading about these things. Thanks.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: s240779] * 1
    #28447438 - 08/26/23 01:26 PM (4 months, 30 days ago)

The only thing I will say is ergonovine is pretty dangerous. You have to really know what you are doing... I can't see how the Greeks would prefer something like that over readily growing psilocybe species.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: s240779]
    #28447462 - 08/26/23 01:51 PM (4 months, 30 days ago)

Oh and 1 more thing. I am a skeptic, so I am inclined to think really important information is deliberately obfuscated. I wonder a lot about what was going on in ancient Greece in the Telesterion. What were they taking? Was it psilocybin? LSA? LSD? LSH? Was it yet an unknown mixture of a fungal species like the Metarhizium brunneum? Whatever it was, I think it was safe to consume and also deeply transformative. With regard to Albert Hofmann... It seems to me that so many things are covered up about our history that the Greeks could have actually been taking LSD, and the so-called invention of LSD was really just the first synthesis with modern science. This seems too complicated, although lysergic fungi are fascinating in themselves. I think a much simpler solution is mushrooms, and so that is still what I stand by, but i don't want to type another essay, so I'll end this here. ❤


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: s240779]
    #28447470 - 08/26/23 02:00 PM (4 months, 30 days ago)

Sorry. I have to say this. Have you noticed in for instance the Young Thug trial, they tried to use lyrics from some of his raps as evidence. This is almost always thrown out, because it can be referring to things that are not real, because it is art. Young Thug even says in a song he is talking if I remember correctly about killing someone and then says "I can't get in trouble, because I'm talking about *something else*"
This is exactly what Cicero and Vergil did about Eleusis, and also Pausanias. This is why the language is not direct and looks "constrained," to use the words of Harvard Scholat Gregory Nagy. The reason for this is deliberate, I think, for the same reason as Young Thug. It was a poetic construction with multiple meanings for Vergil, and 'densa' literally means "you condense." The language is clearly designed to avoid the authority that would actually kill them for divulging such secrets. It gives a new meaning to 'poetic justice' to conceal the truth of Eleusis with words and yet have it staring right at you.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: s240779]
    #28448862 - 08/27/23 05:10 PM (4 months, 29 days ago)

No response? Is what I said insane? I am to the point where I feel lost, and I don't know anymore whether I am actually onto something or whether, because people don't seem to care about anything other than base pleasures and money, all of this is inconsequential to care about, and is therefore meaningless. If something is meaningful yet nobody cares about it then it isn't meaningful, is it? I have spoken with two distinguished classics professors, and they speak in riddles. No one will address these things. I have tried to talk to people about it, and they don't seem to get it, or perhaps it is just me, which would make some sense because almost everything in my life has been a disaster.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28450622 - 08/28/23 11:25 PM (4 months, 27 days ago)

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Blue_Lux said:
Oh and 1 more thing. I am a skeptic, so I am inclined to think really important information is deliberately obfuscated. I wonder a lot about what was going on in ancient Greece in the Telesterion. What were they taking? Was it psilocybin? LSA? LSD? LSH? Was it yet an unknown mixture of a fungal species like the Metarhizium brunneum? Whatever it was, I think it was safe to consume and also deeply transformative. With regard to Albert Hofmann... It seems to me that so many things are covered up about our history that the Greeks could have actually been taking LSD, and the so-called invention of LSD was really just the first synthesis with modern science. This seems too complicated, although lysergic fungi are fascinating in themselves. I think a much simpler solution is mushrooms, and so that is still what I stand by, but i don't want to type another essay, so I'll end this here. ❤




Wanna know? I don't want to disrespect the OP's thread because he is clearly good at what he does...a little too good if you ask me. This really is the topic for another thread. I've just been preoccupied with other threads and I would have to post a lot of links which is time consuming. I'll do it soon, before the harvest moon. So in respect to the OP's thread I would like to add this:

I have been taking lots of 'LSD' type drugs since 1999. In the early days there were a few types of phenomenal LSD, and then there was something call silver acid which I'm certain was LSA. The LSD I used to get was nothing short of mind bending. I'm talking aliens, house melting, extreme time dilation, near death experiences, seeing though walls, leaving foot prints as you walk, real hallucinations where a poster would become a whole fluidly moving world. Then there was this shortage and RCs dominated the market. In 2004 I got ahold of these white on white blotters that were supposed to be really good old school LSD. They were so good I learned how to teleport, and teleported myself out of the rave party, around town, into the drunk tank when my powers wore off and I got stuck.

After 2007 or so the supply of the LSD we used to have access to disappeared. Then around 2010 I got various forms of what I would consider to be 'silver acid'. Some better than others. All with unpleasant side effects. Then there is this one kind we all regard as the 24k. This stuff is not like any of the LSD from the past. The visuals and experience are different however it is defiantly Lysergic. No other drops make me want to eat more like this stuff. It has cool visuals, kinda slow, calm and melty. It gives me the feeling of wanting to become a monk. If there wasn't so much shitty LSA out there and I knew I was getting the 24K, I would actually start taking LSD/LSA again.

I think people get a little hung up on LSI and LSH. LSI and LSH are just stable forms of LSA. Wether you ingest LSH or LSI, the drug we are all getting high on is LSA. I think the OP has shown us how to make the stuff without the nasty side effects.


tregar, is this clean stuff shown here the 24K? Or do you think the 24k is something more like ALD-52 sourced from an online vendor as a legal analog and then altered like in your sunshine acid thread?



Edited by djbabyjesus (08/29/23 01:04 AM)


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