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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 1
    #28080975 - 12/03/22 08:38 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

After much experimentation with the seed extract from 25 to 40grams, I have all but given up...I noticed a sedating quality to the tincture each time that really pissed me off, much prefer LSD to the extract.

I am done with MG experimentation. I have returned to only using my bridgesii cacti grow stash and paneoleus cyanescens grow and LSD, which I have used for decades. I can recommend pan cyans in combo with 150 to 250mg pure tetrahydroharmine, gives an experience that is extremely euphoric, intensely visual and spiritual, a lot like LSD when combined with the THH, one of my absolute favorites of all time.

1) bridgesii 600 gram to 800 gram pieces from around the core tea, 350 to 450mg plus mescaline in the tea = 11 out of 10

2) panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms in combo with 150 to 250mg THH, 6 hour incredible experience = 11 out of 10

3) LSD with bridgesii cactus combo = 11 out of 10

4) oral 200mg harmine + 200mg oral THH + sublingual under the tongue DMT, can re-dose under the tongue dmt every hour up to 3 hours = 11 out of 10

Gordotek's pan cyan grow which I have used sucessfully for a long time:

https://mycotopia.net/topic/110495-a-simple-method-tek-for-growing-panaeolus-cyanescens-aka-copelandia-cyanescens-hawaiians-blue-meanies-pans-and-pan-cyans/

https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-simple-tek-44645256

How pure THH or tetrahydroharmine adds to the experiences, here are my experiences combining it with sublingual HPBCD DMT. What I do now is take 200mg of harmine and 200mg of pure THH orally, then 1 hour later once I feel the harmine and THH, I take sublingual HPBCD DMT (around 100mg) hold under tongue for 15 minutes, all dissolves, gives a 1.5 hour very strong extremely euphoric and visual experience, then I re-dose more sublingual DMT at the 1.5 hour point again, holding under tongue, continues to work at full strength, as the oral harmine has a half life of from 1 to 3 hours, continues to work for 3 hours to 5 hours.

I way prefer taking DMT under tongue instead of orally, as zero nausea, goes straight to brain, no dizziness, the only way I use it, very bad ass this way. None of the negatives of oral Ayahausca. There is something about DMT moving thru the stomach that makes it nausea prone, dizzy, and weird and strange, this is all avoided by using it under tongue. The harmine lowers MAO in the brain for 3 to 5 hours, so you can use the dmt under tongue with many re-doses, as it prevents the DMT from being zapped by mitochondria in the brain.

https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

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0. THH is not an MAOI or a RIMA but a psychedelic serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SRI) found in caapi with many similarities to mescaline. She is a feminine teaching spirit.

1. Part 10 of this paper: shows how to convert harmaline to pure THH in 1.5 hour for the first time (very fast) with 75% yield. TIHKAL THH entry also achieved 75% yield. Post also shows how to check the blue glow under blacklight to make sure it is pure. Any green in the glow means you still have un-converted harmaline, but follow instructions and you won't have any unconverted.

1. Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115:
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Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron.



In my experience, THH doubles the half-life of DMT, so when used sublingually or orally, you get a full strong 90 minutes out of it with long afterglow.

2. She is in the same beta-carboline family as ibogaine. She is the 2nd highest alkaloid in Caapi. She has a 10.5 hour half-life with peak at 5.25 hours.

3. DMT only colors are subdued and dark, but THH brightens the DMT visuals: out of this world impossible bright neon colors are a trait of high dose oral tetrahydroharmine + moderate dose 60 to 70mg+ sublingual or oral HPBCD DMT: neon red-greens, neon orange-blues, neon purple-yellows.

4. DMT does not block serotonin on it's own, but THH does...this results in not only stimulation but euphoria in combo with the DMT: and real Ayahuasca visions become apparent...important teamwork. Ibogaine, LSD, mescaline, shrooms, 5-meo-dmt, bufotenin in Amazonian snuffs, all block serotonin, THH blocks serotonin.

5. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, she is like the beta-carboline version of mescaline, few people have used her over 100mg. I have seen the receptorome chart for THH vs. mescaline. She not only blocks serotonin like mescaline, but agonizes all 3 adrenal receptors A1-A3 associated with beauty and aesthetic enhancement, just like mescaline. Beauty enhancement is "over the top" when THH is included, she is diamondlike shimmering in her beauty.

Actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Researchers have called THH the "tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" and rightly so.

6. THH is found in average 150mg in a cup of Caapi based Ayahuasca tea, when 2 cups are drank by some of the more advanced members for evening at the vegetals (UDV, Santo Daime, Shuar Indian) people are consuming around 300mg of THH.

7. Music will only sound bad-ass incredible if you include from 150mg to 300mg oral THH with your sublingual or oral DMT.

8. This pure THH at 300mg all by herself is extremely visual, she's an isomer of a hormone like substance made in the brain naturally.

9. The entry in TIHKAL for 300mg THH is completely wrong, where the unexperienced person compares it to the effects of 100mg harmaline. She is nothing at all like harmaline, and like 69ron once said about the person's comment in TIHKAL, he or she would not be able to tell their ass from their elbow. I agree, what complete nonsense. Dr. Shulgin wrote that he never got the chance to try THH, but wrote that more studies on it are "badly needed."

10. professor8 (found here from 11/1/2010 he writes like a poet w/special powers of imagination & expression):
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Tetrahydroharmine (THH) has the ability to raise your vibration in a most powerful, yet subtle way. It brings a crystalline prismy texture to spice and adds a super clear watery dimension to Aya, like looking down through 10meters of shimmering Caribbean Sea on clear blue day. It brings a dimension of pure light to the entheogenic experience and encourages entities & intelligences of only the Highest Order. If one is not accustomed to perceiving these experiences with a spiritual perspective most of the nuances & subtleties THH brings on are overlooked and remain unseen and one would better enjoy Harmaline as a house painter chooses a roller over a brush, its about preference & choice.




11. Trips (from here on 12/2/2011):
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As to how the THH altered the experience -> I find rue extract+DMT to be very similar to mushrooms. I found the THH added to the rue+DMT to shift the experience to a state much closer to that provided by LSD. It was more clear, more energetic, more focused, and when confusion struck it was definitely more "acid-like".



The world is moving in the direction of the Left Brain: technology and science. What the world needs is to move in the direction of Right Brain development: empathy, spirituality, connectedness. Compounds like tetrahydroharmine in Caapi could be said to improve emotional intelligence. Is this component of caapi a smart-nutrient for the right side of the brain? you be the judge.

At 300mg of THH all by itself, there are heavy open-eyed tracers like lightening flashes, and hours of teaching closed eye visions that start with colored sparkles and fireworks (red, green, yellow, blue) that dart around and progress into full-fledged way-beyond 4k visions with eyes closed that are not only static but often animated like slow and high speed movies, but all one monochrome color like green or blue for me, when you add DMT, the visions then become colored and patterning on animals for example will display their associated colors, DMT also adds on to or builds on top the THH visions, expanding them, but the teachings and insights & visions are credited to the Vine, just as Gayle Highpine writes in linked paper:

12. Gayle Highpine (Ayahuasca researcher):
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The vine carries the content of the message, the teaching, and the insight. The purpose of drinking Ayahuasca is to receive the message the vine imparts.



Tetrahydroharmine or THH ranks very high on the "periodic psychedelic table" among all the known entheogens for inducing realistic way beyond 4k monochrome teaching visions for hours...adding even small amounts of DMT brightens and colorizes the visions, example: reptiles, birds & animals such as serpents/snakes/toucans/parrots/jaguars with patterning show their respective associated colors. Many times I have viewed multi-colored serpents, birds & jaguars several times over hour long CEV periods, serpents are the manifest spirit of Ayahuasca.

pic: my bridgesii cacti grow every year (1/2 of my stash shown) yields enough cactus for tripping every 2nd Friday for at least half the year.



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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 3
    #28084328 - 12/05/22 07:44 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

That was an abrupt 180 from the previous 6 months when you were touting this tincture so passionately.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Swza] * 1
    #28084694 - 12/05/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Interesting change of tides. This a concotion i will never want to repeat anytime soon. The deliriant, unpredictable quality of it is just not worth it. I should not have taken it as my main drug at the Bass Canyon festival this year. Big regret there. Im sticking with CWE and Methanol extracts only.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28086703 - 12/06/22 09:04 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Wow thanks for being honest. Guess I won’t be trying. Theres a few good reports on MG that had me intrigued but eh I agree with Cactus being hard to beat.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Spicy] * 1
    #28086718 - 12/06/22 09:11 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I recommend trying it once, just so you have the personal experience. Just dont do it at a festival or some big event. Do it at home when you have lots of hours to spare. That being said, i wouldnt try it unless you are just super curious like i was....


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28087819 - 12/07/22 06:40 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Spicy, please ignore that last post, I was suffering from severe Mountain cedar and mold allergies when I wrote that, and was tripping at same time I was sick and taking a sedating allergy med, big mistake, that's why I felt overly tired, and have been working 1 day of overtime every week for months on end, and it all caught up to me, fatigued from the overworking as well. My past experiences were never that sedating. Plus I did not take it with a light dose of other stimulating psychedelic like LSD or cactus tea like I normally do.

I dont regret any of this, as I went back to taking plain LSD without the morning glory extract, and it sucks! The only way I will take LSD from now on is with the liquid extract, it adds untold dimensions to the experience.

I even add it to my 500 gram bridgesii tea, by taking it 1 hour later with or without pure 150 to 250mg pure THH....it makes the music sound WAY better, colors are richer and super saturated, euphoria is greater, visuals are flowing and not choppy...

super strong tracers, much deeper healing head space, extends trip longer...I always keep 1 to 2 jars on standby frozen in the freezer to add from 25 to 40 grams zero nausea extract to either my LSD or cactus tea.....

very profound experience with the extract, not at all the same without it, makes the cactus feel more like 800 gram tea, and makes the LSD much deeper visual and music enhancing experience.....highy recommend. The cactus tea or LSD will counteract any minor sedation from the seeds...I've used the MG extract for over 9 months now, and it's super profound when added to light doses of other psychedelics.

I always keep pounds of fresh seeds from the supplier around for this reason, never trip without it again, it makes a super huge difference to include it always.

The extract hits 6 adrenal receptors beyond even LSD...this is what I believe makes the major difference. These receptors are implicated in music, beauty and aesthetic enhancement.

I've had experiences where I've added 40gram MG tincture to 3 hits of LSD and it made it one of the most powerful experiences of my entire life, and I've tripped hundreds of times...it made it feel very similar to a high dose cactus experience...super profound.

Best music drug imho next to cactus, mind blowing music enhancement, dream come true. Very sexual and super euphoric as well. 

One tip: drop the 1/4 shot of everclear or whiskey and just use straight up 3 to 3.5 shots of cold sherry wine with added 40mg DL tartaric acid, the added tiny bit of liquor is not needed.

Pic 1: Here is a pic of 50 gram seed zero nausea sherry wine tincture, after it sat in fridge for 5 hours, decanted off the tincture (seen on right) from the mud at the bottom (seen on left), freeze and defrost overnight the day before you trip, by adding it to a light dose of any stimulating psychedelic like LSD or cactus (1 hour after drinking cactus tea).

Pic 2: From "Plants of the gods": Hallucinogenic nectar appears to flow from the blossoms of the morning glory plant, and "disembodied eyes" and birds are other stylistic features associated with the intoxication. An ancient Indian Mother Goddess and her priestly attendants with a highly stylized vine of Ololiuqui, in one of the murals from Teotihuacan, Mexico, dated about A.D. 500.



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Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD:

Combo is extremely visual & spiritual, energizing like mescaline, infinite beauty and music enhancement & super euphoric.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398

Pic 1: After the substrate is fully colonized, it will look almost completely white, uncover and add your casing layer.

Pic 2: Had success just growing on a table top with humidifier sitting on same table, directing the mist toward the cake pans.

Pic 3: Final fruiting pic

Pic 4: 300mg of pure tetrahydroharmine or THH at very top of pic in weigher to take with the pan cyan.

Pic 5: One of my favorite woman house DJ's: Music sounds infinitely beautiful with the combo of pan cyan + THH





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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 1
    #28096803 - 12/14/22 03:43 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk] * 1
    #28096817 - 12/14/22 04:24 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

You should also check out the following overview I made yesterday. It's my most comprehensive one, yet. The first part talks about methods for isolating lysergic acid amide from the rest of the ergolines, but you can skip past that part.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28095423


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: s240779]
    #28125893 - 01/05/23 01:58 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

Really great mood (strong afterglow) this morning after having a +5 Shulgin level experience last night with a tea I made from 750 grams of home grown very potent bridgesii chunks from around the core boiled into a tea. Drank the tea first, then 1 hour later took 5 hits of LSD, also drank a morning glory seed solution in sherry wine made from 25g (875) seeds.

I took the MG seed wine at same time as LSD. The MG seed wine adds divine spirituality, infinite beauty & euphoria, incredible dimensions, extreme saturated color & music enhancement to the experience along with the mescaline. Absolutely amazing experience all night long. Highly recommend. I do this at least once a month.


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: tregar] * 2
    #28126830 - 01/06/23 03:28 AM (1 year, 22 days ago)

I tried this Tek once more and got nothing again. Fresh seeds are needed.

I waited 16 days from last trip.
Took 3 shots cold port wine, 1 shot whiskey, 36 grams of lemon juice. Got 3.5 pH. I grinded 20 grams of cold Heavenly blue seeds in cold coffee grinder. Then I shook mixture in dark cover for 1 minute every 15 minutes. After 45 minutes filtered through fine wire coffee filter. Let it sit in fridge overnight. Took liquid above mud, shook it again for 2 minutes. Drank. After 4 hours I didn't get any euphoria or visuals. Just side effects.

My seeds are not extra fresh from vine, or from grower. But I checked them 2 weeks ago in other long time extraction Tek and got very impressive visuals like geometry in air, rainbow colours, symbols and faces. I also got side effects, that's why I wanted to try something more.

I think seeds contain LSH in 2 fractions. First fraction is fast extracting and degrades fast. Second fraction live longer and extracts slower. Also fast fraction contains more useful things, when slow fraction contains more unwanted things.

That's why fast Teks with fresh seeds give good results, like visuals, euphoria and very less side effects. When time passes, fast fraction degrades. Fast Teks may not work. Slow Teks will work, but with more side effects.

So, for good trip fresh seeds from the grower are needed, or own plant.

Tregar, thank you for your investigation. It is very interesting to read about history of morning glory, chemistry and especially for your original and very effective method reducing nausea by moving all mud to the bottom of the jar overnight. I use it every time, when make morning glory extract and it works well.
When I grow my own plant, I will try your Tek again


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Re: LSH tek: 500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2 [Re: energie2k]
    #28128843 - 01/07/23 05:39 AM (1 year, 21 days ago)

Really great mood (strong afterglow) the other morning after having a +5 Shulgin level experience last night with a tea I made from 750 grams of home grown very potent bridgesii chunks from around the core boiled into a tea. Drank the tea first, then 1 hour later took 5 hits of LSD, also drank a morning glory seed solution in sherry wine made from 25g (875) seeds. I took the MG seed wine at same time as LSD. The MG seed wine adds divine spirituality, infinite beauty & euphoria, incredible dimensions, extreme saturated color & music enhancement to the experience along with the mescaline. Absolutely amazing experience all night long. Highly recommend. I do this at least once a month.

energie2k said:
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I tried this Tek once more and got nothing again. Fresh seeds are needed.

I waited 16 days from last trip.
Took 3 shots cold port wine, 1 shot whiskey, 36 grams of lemon juice. Got 3.5 pH. I grinded 20 grams of cold Heavenly blue seeds in cold coffee grinder. Then I shook mixture in dark cover for 1 minute every 15 minutes. After 45 minutes filtered through fine wire coffee filter. Let it sit in fridge overnight. Took liquid above mud, shook it again for 2 minutes. Drank. After 4 hours I didn't get any euphoria or visuals. Just side effects.

My seeds are not extra fresh from vine, or from grower. But I checked them 2 weeks ago in other long time extraction Tek and got very impressive visuals like geometry in air, rainbow colours, symbols and faces. I also got side effects, that's why I wanted to try something more.

I think seeds contain LSH in 2 fractions. First fraction is fast extracting and degrades fast. Second fraction live longer and extracts slower. Also fast fraction contains more useful things, when slow fraction contains more unwanted things.

That's why fast Teks with fresh seeds give good results, like visuals, euphoria and very less side effects. When time passes, fast fraction degrades. Fast Teks may not work. Slow Teks will work, but with more side effects.

So, for good trip fresh seeds from the grower are needed, or own plant.

Tregar, thank you for your investigation. It is very interesting to read about history of morning glory, chemistry and especially for your original and very effective method reducing nausea by moving all mud to the bottom of the jar overnight. I use it every time, when make morning glory extract and it works well.
When I grow my own plant, I will try your Tek again




Excellent work energie2k, and great work on each time separating the bottom mud out, and just decanting and using only what is above it, the most important part of the tek for zero nausea.

--> P.S. I no longer include the 1/4 shot of everclear, but only use the several cold sherry wine shots only with 40mg DL tartaric acid powder added. It works beautifully the same without the hard liquor shot. <--

1) Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398

2) How to make the zero nausea morning glory wine: Zero nausea morning glory LSH tincture based on 2022 LSH study, natural LSD: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299

3) HPBCD DMT sublingually active under tongue: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

4) One-shot hpbcd dmt ayahuasca and sublingual hpbcd dmt ayahuasca, absorbs 2 to 3 times better than DMT salts, masks taste: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111979-one-shot-hpbcd-dmt-ayahuasca-and-sublingual-hpbcd-dmt-ayahuasca-absorbs-2-to-3-times-better-than-dmt-salts-masks-taste/

5) Salvinorin HPBCD Cyclodextrin Complexation for Sublingual Administration: https://mycotopia.net/topic/112080-salvinorin-hpbcd-cyclodextrin-complexation-for-sublingual-administration/

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=95057
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Floors Made of Water Under Dancing Stars
Morning Glory & Alcohol
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Citation:  Psychopsilocybin. "Floors Made of Water Under Dancing Stars: An Experience with Morning Glory & Alcohol (exp95057)". Erowid.org. Jul 10, 2017. erowid.org/exp/95057

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8 g oral Morning Glory (extract)
24.75 oz oral Alcohol - Beer/Wine (liquid)

BODY WEIGHT: 190 lb

'Morning Glory Wine'

I have tried several different morning glory preparations now, including alcohol tinctures, eating ground up seeds, LSA conversion using peppermint oil, and cold water extracts, all of which have been a let down until my last attempt. This time, I used 24g of heavenly blue variety purchased in early spring from a local store, almost as soon as the new seed displays were set out for the year. I'm not sure, but I think part of my success this time may have come from buying the seeds before they sat in the summer heat causing the goodies to degrade.

After rinsing the seeds in soapy water, I placed them in a blender and added about a half a cup of distilled water. At this point, I turned off all of the lights, and lit a few candles on the other side of the room to provide just enough light to work by. Then I used the pulse setting to grind all of the seeds as best as I could. Next, I poured the ground seeds into an empty wine bottle made from a dark amber glass, and then poured an entire new bottle of red wine into the morning glory bottle. This mixture sat for three days, while being shook up twice a day or so. On the third day, the bottle was opened and the solid matter strained out. A small portion of the liquid was held under a black light to test for LSAs, but to my disappointment, it did not glow. My friends and I decided to give it a shot any way, and what happened next rocked my world.

0:00 The wine was divided into 3 nearly equal portions, and we all began to drink it slowly. My friends by the way, are both women about the same age as I am.

0:15 It doesn't taste especially great, but it is MUCH better than other morning glory preparations I've tried in the past. Still, my body seems to recognize the smell and I start to feel a bit nauseous. My friends however have had no experience with morning glory yet, and they aren't experiencing any nausea or stomach woes.

0:30 We are all still slowly sipping our drinks, but my past experiences with mg are starting to get to me, and I think I may vomit. I was swearing off ever trying morning glory again and thinking that this experience would be like all of my others where I spend 6 hours sick and never actually trip, when my friend tries to convince me that its just all in my head.

0:50 We are starting to notice lights becoming brighter and I get excited because I realize that it is actually working, My stomach has calmed down and no one feels the slightest bit of nausea or sickness, in fact, nobody did for the rest of the trip, no stomach cramps, or vomiting, nothing.

1:20 We finally finish all of our drinks and are starting to feel the effects, and decide to watch Yellow Submarine, which I had never seen before.

2:00 The effects are really beginning to kick in, everything seems to take on a glow, and lights are almost hard to look at because they seem so bright. None of us can control our laughter and we all describe a feeling of warmth over our bodies.

3:00 We are all incredibly happy and laughing at everything, and every now and then noticing small open eyed visuals. Everything looks 'pretty' and we spend time staring at random things like the colorful flowers printed on paper towels.

4:00 The trip peaked around this time, and we decided to go to the bedroom where they had a black light and glow in the dark stars glued to the walls. I have never hallucinated in my life like I did in that room. The wall seemed to disappear and the stars were floating in the air and dancing around. They glowed so bright and I was mesmerized for a moment, when one of my friends said that the floor was water and that we should jump into the boat, which was actually the bed, As soon as I looked down, I saw ripples in the floor by my feet, and it looked just like i was standing in water so I hopped in the bed and stared at the stars some more. I started to feel this strange since of innocence being shared by all of us, like we were all just kids playing and there was nothing wrong about us tripping out on one bed together.

4:10 We decided the 'boat' was moving too much so we swam back to the living room and watched another movie.

I have tried a few other hallucinogens, mushrooms, 2C-I, salvia, and dextromethorphan, but I have never felt anything like I did that night on morning glory. I was so happy, had an incredible body buzz, and amazing feeling of empathy. I can't describe, but somehow I felt just like I was a little kid again, there was no frustrating confusion like that of 2C-I or salvia, and there was no stomach pains or nausea, it was by far the most intense and incredible experience I have had yet, and look forward to trying it again one day.

Exp Year: 1991



From the wayback machine, 45 people case report on seed trips from 20 to 500 seeds: https://web.archive.org/web/20160313200928/http://www.lycaeum.org/diseyes/olo/glory.txt
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Charles Savage, Willis W. Harman and James Fadiman, Ipomoea purpurea: A Naturally Occurring Psychedelic

Medium Dose, 100-150 Seeds (22 Subjects)

In this range the effects resemble those reported for medium-dose (75-150
micrograms) LSD experiences, including spatial distortions, visual and
auditory hallucinations, intense imagery with eyes closed, synaesthesia and
mood elevation. These effects, which occur mainly during the period of 1 to 4
hours after ingestion, are typically followed by a period of alert calmness
which may last until the subject goes to sleep.

High Dose, 200-500 Seeds (12 Subjects)

In this range the first few hours may resemble the medium-dose effects
described above. However, there is usually a period during which the
subjective states are of a sort not describable in terms of images or
distortions, states characterized by loss of ego boundaries coupled with
feelings of euphoria and philosophical insight. These seem to parallel the
published descriptions of experiences with high doses (200-500 micrograms) of
LSD given in a supportive, therapeutic setting as reported by Sherwood et al.
(1962).

All the subjects who had previous experience with LSD claimed the effects of
the seeds were similar to those of LSD.



https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php?topic=12577.0
From Chemist Peter Webster, found in link above: The KYKEON recipe - new
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In 1969, I went to Mexico with the intention to study the peyote cactus and ololiuhqui, two visionary plants long used by Central American shamans.

The more potent of the two types of ololiuhqui is of course the common blue morning-glory vine found throughout Mexico, Ipomoea purpurea, and it contains lysergic acid amide, or ERGINE, in a combined form with acetaldehyde.

[11] In the course of preparing extracts of ololiuhqui, I tested my preparation to find that its psychoactive properties were quite powerful indeed. When taking a sufficient dose, the effect was quite the equivalent of LSD.



Pic: From "Plants of the Gods: Their Sacred, Healing, and Hallucinogenic Powers", Hallucinogenic nectar appears to flow from the blossoms of the morning glory plant, and "disembodied eyes" and birds are other stylistic features associated with the intoxication. An ancient Indian Mother Goddess and her priestly attendants with a highly stylized vine of Ololiuqui, in one of the murals from Teotihuacan, Mexico, dated about A.D. 500.



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After working with the sherry wine extract for over 10 months now, what I have discovered is that the best experience is in the dosage range from 25 to 30g of seeds. Once you approach 50g of seeds, there is not enough acetaldehyde available in the wine to convert all the LSA to LSH, hence where you start to run into sedating qualities.

I have full on major color enhancement, euphoria, 3-d visual effects, tracers, LSD like effects from all angles visuals to colored energy fields surrounding all objects...and music enhancement is bad ass in the 25 to 30g range. Combined with LSD is an awesome experience beyond my wildest dreams, adding multiple dimensions to the normal LSD experience that is mind-blowing. Remember there is only 10mg of acetaldehyde per each shot glass of cold sherry wine.

If you want to add additional acetaldehyde, you can add a tablespoon or so of fresh ground coffee grinds to an empty tea bag, staple shut, and dunk the teabag into your cold wine solution, and shake the jar for a minute or so, then consume to add extra acetaldehyde. Ground coffee grinds contain large amounts of acetaldehyde (around 1/2 as much as sherry wine).

Arcamone, 1961:
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LSH is the chemical adduct formed from the reaction of LSA and acetaldehyde. Fermented liquor, such as some wines, contain acetaldehyde. Thus a probable explanation for the formation of LSH from claviceps paspali and fermented alcohol, is the adduct formation of LSA and acetaldehyde, depicted in Figure 1.





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You should be open to the idea that LAH does indeed decompose into LAA in the body, but that it still induces a better experience because it decomposes into Peter Webster's hypothetical equilibrium of LAA. I emailed Peter Webster and asked him if LAH could be worked into his hypothesis and this was his reply:

Note: ergine is a synonym for LAA.

A very good hypothesis! I had overlooked that possibility completely, but it wouldn't strictly be "catalysis" in the strict sense of the term. Perhaps the LAH decomposes into ergine and/or isoergine to preferentially and more quickly reach the equilibrium concentrations. Let's say a sample of seed has almost entirely ergine, and very little isoergine, PLUS some LAH. Reaching the stomach, acid-catalysed equilibrium process starts to take place on the ergine, but is fairly slow. The LAH present however, might quickly hydrolyse to ISOEREGINE thus producing more quickly a ergine/isoergine ratio similar to the acid-catalysed equilibrium that would follow only after some delay.

In this case, the activity in the stomach>blood>brain of a sample of seed would depend on BOTH the starting ergine/isoergine ratio AND the quantity of LAH present that could more quickly "adjust" the ergine/isoergine ratio to the required psychedelically-active concentrations.

Note that the "equilibrium-mixture hyppothesis" remains just that, a hypothesis, but I think it does account for some or many of the observed facts better than other hypotheses, such as seed variability vs experience variability, lack of psychedelic effect when either ergine or isoergine is injected (as Hofmann did), preparation methods such as the native Americans' cold water extraction, etc.
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An important detail to add is that Webster's claim of 'lack of psychedelic effect' for LAA is false. Webster is referencing a 1947 note that Hofmann wrote when he IMed 500 mcg of LAA and his note does, indeed, sound a little psychedelic.* As you can see in the below excerpt from the publication that contains a transcription of this note, Hofmann describes the effect of LAA as 'psychotomimetic' and he and his colleagues originally just thought it was a random synthetic derivative of ergot and they were obviously putting all of their attention on another random synthetic derivative of ergot. Furthermore, Hofmann eventually determined that 'you need one to two milligrams' of LAA to get 'a good effect';** and I believe research has shown that there isn't much difference in bioavailability between injected LSD and oral/sublingual LSD... Additional quotes from Hofmann on the effects of these natural ergolines can be found here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27904253


*The active principles of the seeds of Rivea Corymbosa and Ipomoea violacea. Albert Hofmann. Harvard Botanical Museum Leaflets. 20, 6 (1963). https://archive.org/details/biostor-160836. Pages 208–209.


Pharmacological and clinical activity of the isolated alkaloids

There is no doubt that the alkaloids isolated from the seeds of Rivea corymbosa and Ipomoea tricolor are the active principles of these magic plants. Aside from the described alkaloids, a large quantity of a new glucoside, which was named turbicoryn by M. C. Pérezamador and J. Herrán, was isolated from the seeds of Rivea corymbosa.24 25

It is most improbable that the presence of this glucoside has anything to do with the psychotomimetic action of ololiuhqui as, according to our observations, the seeds of Ipomoea tricolor, which are stronger than the Rivea seeds, contain none of this glucoside or only small traces of it. On the other hand, the high pharmacological and psychic activity of the lysergic acid amides, as well as of elymoclavine and lysergol, is certain.

D-lysergic acid amide (designation of compound undergoing tests: LA 111) was tested pharmacologically and clinically during the course of investigations on d-lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD 25) and related compounds long before it was known to be a component of ololiuhqui. Already at that stage we had, in experiments on ourselves, ascertained a psychotomimetic activity with a marked narcotic component with dosages of 0.5 to 1 mg. The following paragraph is taken from a hitherto unpublished record of the first experiment which the writer performed upon himself with LA 111 on 30.10.1947.

10.00 h: Intramuscular injection of 0.5 ml of 1 per mille solution of LA 111 ( = 0.5 mg d-lysergic acid amide).

11.00 h: Tiredness in the neck, slight nausea.

11.05 h: Tired, dreamy, incapable of clear thoughts. Very sensitive to noises which give an unpleasant sensation.

11.10 h: Desire to lie down and sleep. Genuine physical and mental tiredness, which is not experienced as an unpleasant sensation. Slept for 3 hours.

15.00 h: Return of normal condition with full capacity for performing work.

This action of d-lysergic acid amide was later confirmed by the comparative systematic investigation of H. Solms.26 27 He describes the action as follows: LA 111 induces indifference, a decrease in psychomotor activity, the feeling of sinking into nothingness and a desire to sleep . . . until finally an increased clouding of consciousness does produce sleep.

Clinical investigations have been initiated with d-isolysergic acid amide but no results are available yet. Upon taking 2 mg. of isoergine himself, the writer experienced tiredness, apathy, a feeling of mental emptiness and of the unreality and complete meaninglessness of the outside world.

Elymoclavine and lysergol elicit an excitation syndrome in various animals that is caused by a central stimulation of the sympathicus.28 The results of clinical testing are not, as yet, available.

Psychotomimetic effects are unknown for ergometrine, which is used to a large extent in obstetrics as a uterotonic and hemostatic agent. When using the small dosages which are administered for this purpose, the alkaloid apparently has no action on the psychic functions. Its occurrence in the alkaloid mixture of Ipomoea tricolor can thus have no significant effect on the action of badoh negro. Furthermore, chanoclavine, which has no outstanding pharmacological activity, appears to play no part in the occurrence of the psychic effects of badoh and badoh negro.

According to the results of experiments performed thus far with pure alkaloids, it appears as though d-lysergic acid amide, elymoclavine and lysergol and possibly also d-isolysergic acid amide are mainly responsible for the psychic effect of ololiuhqui.

Systematic comparative investigations are presently being performed with the pure alkaloidal principles of ololiuhqui and total extracts from the seeds so as to ascertain the psychic effect on humans. These will show whether the alkaloids described alone are responsible for the psychotomimetic effects, which, in view of our present knowledge, seems probable, or whether other factors play a part.

Ipomoea violacea corrected as Ipomoea tricolor. See this page for details. It should also be noted that Rivea corymbosa has been updated to Turbina corymbosa and alternatively, Ipomoea corymbosa. Ergometrine (lysergic acid propanolamide) has also been updated to ergonovine.


**Stanislav Grof Interviews Dr. Albert Hofmann (1984). MAPS Bulletin 9.2 (Fall 2001): 22–35.

Grof: Have you actually tried the ololiuhqui yourself?
Hofmann: Yes, I did. But, of course, it is about ten times less active; to get a good effect, you need one to two milligrams.
Grof: And what was that experience like?
Hofmann: The experience had some strong narcotic effect, but at the same time there was a very strange sense of voidness. In this void, everything loses its meaning. It is a very mystical experience.

...

When I discovered lysergic acid amides in ololiuhqui, I realized that LSD is really just a small chemical modification of a very old sacred drug of Mexico.

Ololiuqui corrected as ololiuhqui (uh-lowlee-uh-kee).
Void corrected as void.

NOTE: Although the spelling ololiuqui has gained wide acceptance and is now the commonest orthography, linguistic evidence indicates that this Nahuatl word is correctly written ololiuhqui.
Note by R.E. Schultes included in the following essay: Notes on the Present Status of Ololiuhqui and the Other Hallucinogens of Mexico. R. Gordon Wasson. Harvard Botannical Museum Leaflets, vol. 20 (1963)



In The Road to Eleusis (1978), Hofmann stated,

The effective dose of lysergic acid amide is 1 to 2 mg by oral application.

indicating that the 'one to two milligrams' term in the Grof interview was a reference to LAA.



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