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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: nooneman]
#27837718 - 06/26/22 05:06 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Acid is trippy like that.
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Northerner]
#27838217 - 06/26/22 10:55 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I dunno man. I've eaten very many different acids from many different sources over the decades. It all kinda just seems like acid.
The same batch that put me in a dark heavy hole a few months ago put me in a light sparkling wonderland this last weekend.
Tried the blind test a few times, getting friends to dose me out of a selection of different acids. I got it wrong every time, couldn't guess which one.
Also had some batches that were consistently fucking great experiences as well. Figure that. Totally inconsistent in its consistency.
I'm not an expert or anything, but I've ridden this rodeo a bunch of times and haven't yet found a rule for batches and purity and effect.
I mean I agree in many ways.
But that black goop. It made me have the gnarliest come up ever - I was dry heaving hugging the toilet laying on the floor of my bathroom, shaking a bit and quivering. But my friend who took it? None of those effects at all.
I've never experienced that again on cleaner batches. As well on that black goop, by like 6 hours in, my back was killing me like I was a 90 year old man. My friend also experienced that back pain. Impure LSD also gives me micro muscle tension, it's very strange.
And on the best LSD of my life, stuff made by an actual sandoz chemist, one time I had a very rough trip in a bad set and setting.
I think it comes down more to physiology and neurochemistry then it does come down to LSD batches. Some people experience the effects, others don't.
But even the black goop provided one of the most insanely deep trips that I will remember a few moments from for the rest of my life.
As well, I've never had a bad trip on LSD. But the best LSD of my life has also given me slightly troubling experiences in rough set and settings. So much comes down to set and setting, and the in-the-moment neurochemistry, more than anything else.
Edited by Typerwritermonky (06/26/22 10:55 PM)
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epilectric said: yea i have to admit i basically arrived at the same conclusion today with your help and the help of acid. acid = acid
sorry for keeping to beat this old horse but i have to retract this statement.. maybe pure acid = pure acid
but after trying the pharmaceutical one... and then trying the swiss again... and then another normal/pure batch.. i now am 100% certain that the swiss one is different - more body load and visuals even at lower doses
the two other batches did feel exactly the same - no nausea whatsoever
so either it was a bad synthesis, impurities or ... LSA? does LSA cause nausea and fractals even at lower doses?
IMO, you should not focus if different batches have different effects. LSD has per se a wide spectrum of effects, so eating different batches don't allow you to rule out if the differencies are due to the product or to different situation triggering you different responses. They may lay in set, setting and other things like alimentation, sleeping etc.
I think what really convinced me (i don't have definitive response, but my opinion) was doing the same stuff for a long period gave me all the effects spectrum, while i had very similar experience from different batches. My point is that, even if impurities had some small influence on your trip (but i dont believe it, at least up to few mg doses, wich are already extreme), these effect would be 'hidden' from set and setting.
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: nooneman]
#27838428 - 06/27/22 05:53 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Acid is acid. There are no ergot alkaloids active in small enough amounts to affect a trip. Acid just causes stomach trouble sometimes.
I never, ever, ever used to get nausea with acid until one time I did. No clue why. That's acid for you. You never quite know what to expect.
Ergotamine is prescribed at as little as 1mg. Methylergometrine clinical efficacy occurs around 200 µg. Not much info about the rest of the peptide ergot alkaloids but I would venture there are some more µg actives.
I think this oft repeated statement that there can't be any impurities or byproducts in a level that could impact a trip is a really kinda wrong. If 200 µg is an effictive dose of methylergometrine for an acute condition one would expect some fraction of that to be impactful on the efficacy of another drug, lsd, acting on the same receptors.
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nooneman said: Acid is acid. There are no ergot alkaloids active in small enough amounts to affect a trip. Acid just causes stomach trouble sometimes.
I never, ever, ever used to get nausea with acid until one time I did. No clue why. That's acid for you. You never quite know what to expect.
Ergotamine is prescribed at as little as 1mg. Methylergometrine clinical efficacy occurs around 200 µg. Not much info about the rest of the peptide ergot alkaloids but I would venture there are some more µg actives.
I think this oft repeated statement that there can't be any impurities or byproducts in a level that could impact a trip is a really kinda wrong. If 200 µg is an effictive dose of methylergometrine for an acute condition one would expect some fraction of that to be impactful on the efficacy of another drug, lsd, acting on the same receptors. 
This assumes any clandestine chemists synth technique is so poor they someone have trace amounts of precursor in their finished batch.
Anything that would be present at the final stage would be inactive at microgram doses. Methylergometrine isn't an intermediate steps for most LSD synthesis techniques to my knowledge.
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric]
#27841849 - 06/29/22 05:29 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The "type' of LSD has nothing to do with stomach issues. Its in your head. Go buy a different source LSD (with another stupid made up name). Now you get someone to give the LSD to you but not tell you which is which. You will not be able to pick the Stomach issue LSD in a blind taste test. All LSD is the same, all differences you feel is the different micrograms. There is no "dirty" LSD that gives all users universally stomach issues. Give it to me I will take it and not have any issues, because i don't believe in "clean" LSD.
Blind taste test gets rid of so much of this bullshit, I don't know why people don't do it. Instea of clinging to same bullshit about fluff or needlepoint. Go blind taste all LSD is the same.
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: viraldrome]
#27845817 - 07/01/22 10:41 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Can acid go bad?
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: candyman345]
#27847190 - 07/03/22 01:02 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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It can oxidize into iso-LSD, which is inactive. Also when exposed to constant sunlight, it will break down into lumi-LSD, also inactive.
This reduces the potency of the batch, but that's it. It doesn't change the actual d-LSD-25 left in it that's affecting you. I've had vials turn black, as in the liquid, and it's fine.
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So it would still be all right to eat?
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: candyman345] 1
#27848035 - 07/03/22 06:16 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah absolutely. Totally fine to eat. The paper won't degrade into anything problematic, and as long as the liquid was made properly with alcohol, then it's totally fine.
Now if the paper is all moldy, maybe toss it. If the liquid has noticeable hunks of bacteria floating in it, add some alcohol first to the liquid to sanitize it, and then it would be fine.
Acid doesn't go bad, it just degrades into inactive isomers.
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Thank You for the response.
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: candyman345]
#27849770 - 07/04/22 10:01 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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What’s the story on that ‘brown acid’ at woodstock?
Was it seriously lethal LSD or just some test chemical RC junk floating around at the festival? Or was it just a hoax?
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: candyman345]
#27849870 - 07/05/22 12:24 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The brown acid was just acid, microdots, it's just that the festival was a major clusterfuck. Way to many people jammed into a way too small area with not enough food, sanitation or shade and all tripping balls... then it started to rain heavily. Everyone was lost and tripping and muddy and fucked up, tripping people started freaking the fuck out at the extreme situation.
Set and setting.
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Northerner] 1
#27850315 - 07/05/22 11:37 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I heard that it was 'extra stronk' too.
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: viraldrome]
#27850395 - 07/05/22 12:24 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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i bascially agree, usually it's just set and setting. but this particular batch is different from others as it gives me and others nausea everytime, while other batches don't.
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: schmutzen]
#27850566 - 07/05/22 02:47 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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namaste said: I heard that it was 'extra stronk' too. 
That's what I read too. 60's acid  The whole thing about the "brown acid" was a DJ announcement, which is what made it famous and probably even freaked out a bunch of people who had already taken it. Notorious festival. People started arriving a week before they were supposed to and cut the wire fences down. The organisers realised that they couldn't control the sea of people so just decided not to, and announced it was free. So 300,000 people showed up... lol
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Northerner]
#27850837 - 07/05/22 05:58 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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As LSD ages, [79 years since 1942] it seems to be more well behaved than it was in the 60s and 70s, much like a human as They experience life longer. They get wiser and understand what is appropriate or not.
Now with the nausea, it all depends. That one confuses Me. Perhaps the other substances One might be on while mixing with acid?
Shrooms make My stomach upset sometimes. Maybe LSD molecules are like microscopic mushrooms?
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: candyman345]
#27851244 - 07/05/22 09:39 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The brown acid was fine LSD. It was just literally concentrated solution poured onto brown thin cardboard paper.... from people who took it, the estimated dosage per tab is 500ug+ from what I've read, with many hot spots being 1mg+. So you ate a 4 square or something, and now you're on 2-4mg of LSD. Which of course caused people to bug out.
So the LSD itself was fine, but even on 2mg of sandoz LSD you're going to be fucking way gone and probably not in a good way. There's no way I could handle 2mg of the finest LSD myself in that environment.
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ok got quite some nausea on the purer batch today as well.. but still a lot less visual disturbances and patterning (which can be desired but not always)
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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric]
#27902455 - 08/13/22 09:35 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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you may have some stomach issues related to serotonin.
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