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July 4th * 1
    #27844693 - 07/01/22 07:56 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

All the rah rah flag waving and such sure does ring hollow at the moment. It’s hard to celebrate independence from British rule 250 years ago while we’re knee-deep in dependence upon much more nefarious interests.

Independence ended on Jekyll Island in November 1910, anyway.

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Re: July 4th [Re: outlier52]
    #27844701 - 07/01/22 08:03 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

How do you know that banking interests are any more nefarious than royal interests?


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Re: July 4th [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27844703 - 07/01/22 08:10 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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How do you know that banking interests are any more nefarious than royal interests?




A Venn diagram would show a significant overlap between the two for sure. It’s just that the efficacy of these agendas has been increased exponentially through the machinations our technocratic overlords.

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Re: July 4th [Re: outlier52] * 1
    #27844736 - 07/01/22 08:45 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I’ll spend the night of the 4th indoors, praying that neither my roof nor the drought-stricken mountainside catches on fire, as all of my retard idiot neighbors attempt to replicate a war zone with their goddamn fucking fireworks.

I rue the day my ancestors packed up their shit and ever moved to this country. My lineage goes way, way back like to the beginning. So, if I really think about it, my forebears probably weren’t given a choice of whether to go or stay. They were most likely put on the ship by force with all of the other religious fanatics, cretins, and criminals and exiled to America.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27844749 - 07/01/22 09:11 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I’ll spend the night of the 4th indoors, praying that neither my roof nor the drought-stricken mountainside catches on fire, as all of my retard idiot neighbors attempt to replicate a war zone with their goddamn fucking fireworks.

I rue the day my ancestors packed up their shit and ever moved to this country. My lineage goes way, way back like to the beginning. So, if I really think about it, my forebears probably weren’t given a choice of whether to go or stay. They were most likely put on the ship by force with all of the other religious fanatics, cretins, and criminals and exiled to America.




My family is mostly from England. My 14th great-grand uncle was Henry VIII. From English royalty to Appalachian hillbillies in three centuries. Man our lineage sure took a nosedive!

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Re: July 4th [Re: outlier52]
    #27844756 - 07/01/22 09:22 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Maybe your great grandson will be hillybilly king of the post apocalyptic Americas

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27844760 - 07/01/22 09:25 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Maybe your great grandson will be hillybilly king of the post apocalyptic Americas




Idiocracy becomes more prophetic by the hour these days.

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Re: July 4th [Re: outlier52]
    #27844764 - 07/01/22 09:29 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I saw it in the theaters when it was first released. Everyone I went with said it was stupid trash. I thought it was borderline genius. I remind my friends of this, and they agree that time has indeed proven them wrong.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal] * 1
    #27844788 - 07/01/22 09:57 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I’ll spend the night of the 4th indoors, praying that neither my roof nor the drought-stricken mountainside catches on fire,





If I were you I wouldn't ask god to keep morons from starting fires  or even talk to him at all , that douchebag sends rainstorms with lightning through California in the middle of the summer sometimes . No rain really , just lightning .


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Re: July 4th [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #27844871 - 07/01/22 11:25 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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No rain really , just lightning .




God told me he does that in hopes that California catches on fire because they deserve it


Amen

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Re: July 4th [Re: MightyWhite]
    #27844877 - 07/01/22 11:34 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ok , there aren't really any gay /tranny baby killin hardcore avocado toast eating liberals in the forested mountain areas where these fires take place though . The places that are affected the most by wildfires here are full of maga signs .
  The places that burn vote for Republican.


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Re: July 4th [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27844909 - 07/01/22 12:10 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Well, just like the man said.

They deserve it.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Kryptos]
    #27844917 - 07/01/22 12:17 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The fires were so bad last year I couldn't see  the maga signs 100 yards down the street from my parents house the first day of bow season .
  They couldn't take it anymore so they moved to Arkansas , now the people down the street have confederate flags .
  Same difference I guess .


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Re: July 4th [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #27844921 - 07/01/22 12:18 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

No one deserves it other than the ruling elite that’s behind both parties. Republicans are no different from Democrats; they have the same employer but are handed different scripts. It’s not conservative versus liberal, gay vs. straight, black vs white or tastes great vs. less filling. It’s the ruling elite vs. the rest of us. We’re being sliced into a million intersectional factions in order to hasten the collapse of our country and prevent any cohesive opposition to their agendas.

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Re: July 4th [Re: outlier52] * 1
    #27844923 - 07/01/22 12:20 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Republicans are very different from Democrats. One party is an explicitly pro business conservative party, and the other is fascist.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Kryptos]
    #27844932 - 07/01/22 12:26 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Psilynut2 said:
No rain really , just lightning .




God told me he does that in hopes that California catches on fire because they deserve it


Amen




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Ok , there aren't really any gay /tranny baby killin hardcore avocado toast eating liberals in the forested mountain areas where these fires take place though . The places that are affected the most by wildfires here are full of maga signs .
  The places that burn vote for Republican.




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Well, just like the man said.

They deserve it.




While I think that these 3 comments are hilarious, especially Kryptos coming in with that one-liner, they also exemplify another reason why celebrating the 4th is so contradictory: The US is so damn divided.

Don't get me wrong, there's always been division, but it seems the divide is increasing.

Can't we all just get along?

Divide and conquer is their game plan.

Unite and prosper is the solution.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27844975 - 07/01/22 12:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Unite over what? The only thing we all have in common is our democratic government. Everything else is privatized and not of public concern. My young Gen Z nephew, whose father is a hardcore republican, informed me that democracy is nothing more than contemptible “mob rule”.

The younger generations of conservatives are embracing fascism to a degree that I don’t think most of us realize yet. And how could they not when their politicians, at least during my lifetime, have made it their primary talking point that government is to be despised and corporations need to be allowed to function unhindered by public input? The right has preached this philosophy of eroding the public commons while they’ve simultaneously constructed this massive national security state. It won’t end well and there’s really no room for comprise and unity.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27844995 - 07/01/22 01:05 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Divide and conquer is their game plan.

Unite and prosper is the solution.




Precisely. Divide and conquer currently masquerades under the term “intersectionality.” Even a group that like LGBT(add letters and/or symbols as appropriate) that may have
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Unite over what? The only thing we all have in common is our democratic government. Everything else is privatized and not of public concern. My young Gen Z nephew, whose father is a hardcore republican, informed me that democracy is nothing more than contemptible “mob rule”.

The younger generations of conservatives are embracing fascism to a degree that I don’t think most of us realize yet. And how could they not when their politicians, at least during my lifetime, have made it their primary talking point that government is to be despised and corporations need to be allowed to function unhindered by public input? The right has preached this philosophy of eroding the public commons while they’ve simultaneously constructed this massive national security state. It won’t end well and there’s really no room for comprise and unity.





I embrace neither faction, but to be fair I should add to this the left’s love of censorship. The parties are both shit sandwiches sold on different bread.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845011 - 07/01/22 01:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Unite over what? The only thing we all have in common is our democratic government. Everything else is privatized and not of public concern. My young Gen Z nephew, whose father is a hardcore republican, informed me that democracy is nothing more than contemptible “mob rule”.

The younger generations of conservatives are embracing fascism to a degree that I don’t think most of us realize yet. And how could they not when their politicians, at least during my lifetime, have made it their primary talking point that government is to be despised and corporations need to be allowed to function unhindered by public input? The right has preached this philosophy of eroding the public commons while they’ve simultaneously constructed this massive national security state. It won’t end well and there’s really no room for comprise and unity.




Unite over humanity.

Unite over the future.

Unite over Life.

We have far more in common than only the government.

The lines that separate are illusory. There is so much room for compromise, but it requires the hard-headed to humble themselves.

Who's the one that decides what's "left" and what's "right"? The same one telling us to pick a side? The division of an entire country in that manner will always lead to roughly half of the country being unhappy with whomever is elected, and unhappy with whatever laws are passed.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme] * 1
    #27845027 - 07/01/22 01:29 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

If drinking Budweiser  out on lake  chin deep in tits and ass isnt the primary concern  during the 4th  of July weekend your doing it wrong .


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845037 - 07/01/22 01:36 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

we definitely don’t all share a common vision of the future and the whole abortion debate should’ve proved, if anything, we don’t all agree on what constitutes life.

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If drinking Budweiser  out on lake  chin deep in tits and ass isnt the primary concern  during the 4th  of July weekend your doing it wrong .




I quit drinking and drugging a couple months ago. To top it off, I’m in a committed relationship and my girl’s tits and ass aren’t as interesting as they were when we first started dating 2 yrs ago :frown:

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845063 - 07/01/22 01:57 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Unite over what? The only thing we all have in common is our democratic government. Everything else is privatized and not of public concern. My young Gen Z nephew, whose father is a hardcore republican, informed me that democracy is nothing more than contemptible “mob rule”.

The younger generations of conservatives are embracing fascism to a degree that I don’t think most of us realize yet. And how could they not when their politicians, at least during my lifetime, have made it their primary talking point that government is to be despised and corporations need to be allowed to function unhindered by public input? The right has preached this philosophy of eroding the public commons while they’ve simultaneously constructed this massive national security state. It won’t end well and there’s really no room for comprise and unity.




WOW! You are way off :laugh:

The Bush's, Cheney's, Romney's etc.. are rinos (They are in bed with the libtards) They are the globalist cabal set on destroying human freedoms and forcing everyone into a China like system. Its not even a debatable subject anymore ITS FACT. Also Conservatives HATE the police/nanny state. Its the libtards/Rinos that want to federalize local police. And its the globalist not the conservatives that own everything. They borrowed and printed trillions dumping that debt on Americas, now they own everything and use it to control us. WAKE UP

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Re: July 4th [Re: donwats]
    #27845065 - 07/01/22 01:58 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ok. It’s all somebody else’s fault

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Re: July 4th [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27845072 - 07/01/22 02:02 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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If drinking Budweiser  out on lake  chin deep in tits and ass isnt the primary concern  during the 4th  of July weekend your doing it wrong .




Can't those things be of primary concern on any day of the year? What do those things have to do with the 4th of July? Perhaps that sort of superficial celebration is part of the problem.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845083 - 07/01/22 02:14 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Because I have to work  the rest of the year to pay for my 60,000 boat that costs 200 an hr to drive .
  It takes at least 45 min of driving my wife and  her hot friends around watching them get drunk before the tops start to accidentally fly off .


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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845095 - 07/01/22 02:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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we definitely don’t all share a common vision of the future and the whole abortion debate should’ve proved, if anything, we don’t all agree on what constitutes life.





While the specifics may not be exactly the same, the general goals are a commonality.

I think both sides can agree that we want human Life to continue, we want our children and all future generations to have happy, healthy lives, we want food to be available for all, we all want freedom, and many other things that I won't take the time to list right now.

I agree, the abortion thing is another division. However, it doesn't take much to see how it's a manufactured division. The court made this a current issue, when it was largely a non-issue prior to the overturning, and they did this at an already highly polarized time. Divide and conquer.

Also, whether or not a governing body allows abortions isn't important to human Life. It's a heated debate with strong feelings on both sides, but the result does not determine whether or not people go hungry. It's another topic that's distracting most people from the real critical issues.

I understand where you're coming from, though. We've been born and raised in this division and it's difficult to imagine there being an end or a solution.


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Re: July 4th [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27845105 - 07/01/22 02:30 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Because I have to work  the rest of the year to pay for my 60,000 boat that costs 200 an hr to drive .
  It takes at least 45 min of driving my wife and  her hot friends around watching them get drunk before the tops start to accidentally fly off .




Ah, I see. The 4th is the only day you have off? That's got to suck. Sounds like no way to live, my brother, but to each their own.

Just remember, future generations may want to be chin deep in tits and ass out on the lake, too, but they may not get that chance if we don't start making some changes. And the only change that I'm really calling for is unity.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845167 - 07/01/22 03:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

We don’t agree that we want human life to continue, hence, the partisan debate over global warming. The Supreme Court’s ruling on the EPA makes that clear.

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    #27845181 - 07/01/22 03:23 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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And the only change that I'm really calling for is unity.




The problem with Unity is that one side explicitly does not want or care for unity. This is why democrats are widely seen as useless lumps of shit. They keep trying to be all bipartisan, and as a result just keep getting dragged to the right.

As Barry Goldwater once said, religion and politics do not mix. Christians believe that they are on the side of God. As in, that they are on the side of absolute, capital T+J Truth and Justice. When you're on the side of absolute Truth and Justice, you do not compromise, because why would you compromise your heavenly future to unify with heathens and demons and people that are just inherently wrong?

The GOP is so thoroughly infiltrated by religious zealots that they cannot seek compromise. And at this point, I'm not even talking about specifically christian religions, the religious idea of being absolutely 100% correct about everything has pervaded the party.

The only "compromise" the GOP would ever accept is total and unconditional submission.

Edit: This is very apparent within the persecution fetish adopted by the right. Within the christian religion, being persecuted is seen as a good thing. Saints and martyrs were persecuted. Of course, now that Christianity is the dominant religion and runs the show, it is hard for them to be persecuted. So, they invent persecution. Suddenly, being told that you cannot force other people to pray with you is "persecution".

Same thing is happening to the GOP. Being forced to follow the same content moderation policies as everyone else is "censorship".

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845201 - 07/01/22 03:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Is that the will of the people? Or the will of the governmental "right" backed by financial interests?

The will and perspective of a court cannot be conflated with the will and perspective of the people which the court is said to be acting in the name of.

Being a court decision, the people had no say in the ruling.

It is unfortunate that the health of Earth is politicized, but it's been made that way due to the shady goings-on behind the scenes that have a largely corporate foundation.

The government can divide itself all it wants in the name of corporate interest, but we, the people, should never be divided.

The court dictated the lines by saying "conservative members voted this" and "liberal members voted this", and they expect the people to fall within those lines. Whether or not we go along with it is our choice.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845230 - 07/01/22 03:54 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The voters are the engine of the governmental “right” backed by financial interests

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    #27845241 - 07/01/22 04:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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And the only change that I'm really calling for is unity.




The problem with Unity is that one side explicitly does not want or care for unity. This is why democrats are widely seen as useless lumps of shit. They keep trying to be all bipartisan, and as a result just keep getting dragged to the right.

As Barry Goldwater once said, religion and politics do not mix. Christians believe that they are on the side of God. As in, that they are on the side of absolute, capital T+J Truth and Justice. When you're on the side of absolute Truth and Justice, you do not compromise, because why would you compromise your heavenly future to unify with heathens and demons and people that are just inherently wrong?

The GOP is so thoroughly infiltrated by religious zealots that they cannot seek compromise. And at this point, I'm not even talking about specifically christian religions, the religious idea of being absolutely 100% correct about everything has pervaded the party.

The only "compromise" the GOP would ever accept is total and unconditional submission.

Edit: This is very apparent within the persecution fetish adopted by the right. Within the christian religion, being persecuted is seen as a good thing. Saints and martyrs were persecuted. Of course, now that Christianity is the dominant religion and runs the show, it is hard for them to be persecuted. So, they invent persecution. Suddenly, being told that you cannot force other people to pray with you is "persecution".

Same thing is happening to the GOP. Being forced to follow the same content moderation policies as everyone else is "censorship".




Hmm, excellent points.

I'm by no means claiming to have the answers, nor am I calling for censorship. In fact, the things I'm saying would likely be censored on Twitter or the like. When it comes to social media, one is expected to contribute to the fire or move along.

I agree, politricks and religion do not mix.

However, I'd go as far as to say that the current government and the people it rules over don't mix, either. Any time a politician from either side of the political spectrum does anything, it's treated as if anybody that claims the same side of the spectrum will agree with said actions, which isn't the case.

The government is set up with two opposing sides, black or white, whereas most regular people are grey. Of course, some of the more, let's say, "indoctrinated" people do go along with whatever their "side" says or does, and perhaps that is a majority of the people, I'm not sure, but that is not the case for all people.

What I know is that the way it is, is not the way it has to be.

The religious aspect is a difficult one to tackle because of how ingrained it is in American culture. One can't call for the removal of religious ideologies from government without being considered anti-christian or anti-religious, as your point on forced prayer exemplifies.

You've given me some food for thought, particularly with the religious aspect, and for that I thank you.


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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845261 - 07/01/22 04:09 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The voters are the engine of the governmental “right” backed by financial interests




This is true for both sides, because even the "left" caters to financial interest.

However, the supreme court is another beast entirely. We do not decide who ends up in those positions, the president and the senate do.

Also, just for the record, I don't play their political game, so I don't claim the right or the left, so if I come across as a supporter of one side or the other, it's unintentional.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845273 - 07/01/22 04:14 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

As I just said in the Moore thread, the people are not on the side of the GOP. If they were, then the government would have been dissolved Jan 7th, 2021.

This is why they are working through the court system. They tried going loud through the front door, they got shut down. Now they're sneaking around trying to find an unlocked window.

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Here's some more food for thought. Coke vs. Pepsi. Why isn't there a third competitor? Well, Coke competes with Pepsi, but when a third guy shows up to the party, both Coke and Pepsi team up to shut that shit down. Otherwise, they'd be a risk to both. RC Cola might show up in a few isolated markets in big cities, but they aren't allowed to actually gain more than a niche market share.

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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845294 - 07/01/22 04:20 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The left is a more diverse group because you’re lumping social democrats, socialists, anarchists, communists, etc., in there with the vile liberals.

The right is a more unified ideology coalesced almost exclusively around the interest of private capital.

You’re a reductionist. There will be no unity for the foreseeable future. Unity will arise through the mutual suffering of the masses, once the general public’s standard of living has been uniformly brought so low that violence and revolt becomes its common end. (There’s no guarantee that day will ever come, of course.)

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal] * 1
    #27845371 - 07/01/22 04:54 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

This is why I say that every leftist should still vote blue no matter who. The right and far right both vote red no matter what.

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Also, you have a skewed view on revolt. Look into the Narodniki. First off, that's literally where "populism" comes from. Narodnik means populist in Russian (narod = people). Second, notice that they consisted of the middle classes, not the serfs. Problem was, the serfs had nothing. People that have nothing are dependent on crumbs. Even the fastest and best planned revolution will take several weeks....which is long enough to starve to death if you live paycheck to paycheck.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Kryptos]
    #27845376 - 07/01/22 04:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Agreed

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Re: July 4th [Re: Kryptos]
    #27845447 - 07/01/22 05:48 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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As I just said in the Moore thread, the people are not on the side of the GOP. If they were, then the government would have been dissolved Jan 7th, 2021.

This is why they are working through the court system. They tried going loud through the front door, they got shut down. Now they're sneaking around trying to find an unlocked window.

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Here's some more food for thought. Coke vs. Pepsi. Why isn't there a third competitor? Well, Coke competes with Pepsi, but when a third guy shows up to the party, both Coke and Pepsi team up to shut that shit down. Otherwise, they'd be a risk to both. RC Cola might show up in a few isolated markets in big cities, but they aren't allowed to actually gain more than a niche market share.




Concerning the coke/pepsi analogy, it implies that they work together in the name of profit and market domination.

Applying that to the government, we would assume that both the left and right are working together in the name of profit and market domination. However, their "market" is one of political control. The RC cola politicians remain niche, fringe markets that never gain enough ground to implement real change.

I'm not sure where you live, but I live in a very red county and there is still much support for the right. Living where I do, I seen that trump was going to win long before the media considered it a real possibility. I'm not saying I have insight that others don't, because anyone living here would've known the same thing, but I am saying what happened on 1/6 has a lot more support than one would think.

What supporters of the right, and even the left, often fail to recognize is that they are coke and pepsi working together to stifle the competition and assert domination.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845479 - 07/01/22 06:08 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Yup.

Republicans are Coke, Democrats are Pepsi, and actual leftists are RC cola.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845544 - 07/01/22 06:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The left is a more diverse group because you’re lumping social democrats, socialists, anarchists, communists, etc., in there with the vile liberals.

The right is a more unified ideology coalesced almost exclusively around the interest of private capital.

You’re a reductionist. There will be no unity for the foreseeable future. Unity will arise through the mutual suffering of the masses, once the general public’s standard of living has been uniformly brought so low that violence and revolt becomes its common end. (There’s no guarantee that day will ever come, of course.)




Hmm, perhaps I do tend to reduce things to their most simple forms, as I feel that allows one to reach the common denominator which, in theory, would have greatest application. I'm not sure if you meant for that to be a derogatory statement towards me, but I think most people would benefit from reducing things down to the basics. I'm only human, though, so my thinking is subject to flaws.

I fear that what you say is true, that it'll take mass suffering to bring about unity. However, I don't think that's the only path to unity. Why wait for pain before making the changes that we know are needed to prevent the pain?


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Re: July 4th [Re: Kryptos]
    #27845568 - 07/01/22 07:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Yup.

Republicans are Coke, Democrats are Pepsi, and actual leftists are RC cola.




No, Its the libtards and Rinos vs Trump those are the choices those are the parties.

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Re: July 4th [Re: donwats]
    #27845569 - 07/01/22 07:06 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

And its great to have a two party system again because its been the same party playing both sides for the last 30-40+ years.

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Re: July 4th [Re: donwats]
    #27845578 - 07/01/22 07:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Could you elaborate on Trump’s policies and why you believe they were such a divergence from typical Republican governance?

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal] * 1
    #27845721 - 07/01/22 08:35 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The one of most importance was putting a end to sending our troops off to fight pointless wars. How about going to North Korea just to say hello instead of labeling them the axes of evil. How about exposing the crimes of the bush administration...etc etc

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Re: July 4th [Re: donwats]
    #27845727 - 07/01/22 08:40 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Fourth of July is for drinking some beer, eating some BBQ hot dogs and hamburgers, and blowing shit up. You guys are over thinking this.

Edited by nooneman (07/01/22 08:41 PM)

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Re: July 4th [Re: donwats]
    #27845777 - 07/01/22 09:25 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The one of most importance was putting a end to sending our troops off to fight pointless wars. How about going to North Korea just to say hello instead of labeling them the axes of evil. How about exposing the crimes of the bush administration...etc etc




I think you’re giving Trump a little more credit than he deserves, but your commitment to peace is laudable

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845782 - 07/01/22 09:31 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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The one of most importance was putting a end to sending our troops off to fight pointless wars. How about going to North Korea just to say hello instead of labeling them the axes of evil. How about exposing the crimes of the bush administration...etc etc




I think you’re giving Trump a little more credit than he deserves, but your commitment to peace is laudable



I don't know.  Trump is the only president in history to go into North Korea.



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Re: July 4th [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27845794 - 07/01/22 09:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

And Mexico’s going to pay for the wall am I right boys?

He’s real good at being neighborly…


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Re: July 4th [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27845798 - 07/01/22 10:10 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Did he ever make them pay?


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Re: July 4th [Re: outlier52]
    #27846155 - 07/02/22 08:12 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I don’t think so.  Something all the confiscated drug money coming over the border could’ve paid for though.


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Re: July 4th [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27846186 - 07/02/22 08:57 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

We'd of heard Trump crowing about that as he dry humps the podium if it happened.

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Re: July 4th [Re: falcon] * 1
    #27846306 - 07/02/22 10:40 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Probably only because he couldn't believe that Mexico would be so stupid as to take him seriously.
I think that Falcon91Wolvrn03's comment/question was rhetorical.

Edited by mycot (07/02/22 11:21 AM)

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Re: July 4th [Re: mycot] * 1
    #27846319 - 07/02/22 10:50 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The migrants are falling off the border wall and being rushed to American hospitals

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna33301

The USA, with its privatized healthcare, spends more $$$ than the developed nations with socialized systems of medicine. We also have one of the worst treatment outcome rates.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2019/us-health-care-spending-highest-among-developed-countries

(Not to imply that I believe in open borders. I don’t. A liberal immigration policy is less about bringing skills and needed labor into the country than it is about driving down wages for American workers.)

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Re: July 4th [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27846334 - 07/02/22 11:16 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Did he ever make them pay




    No he got sidetracked trying to figure out how to steal an election .


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    #27846454 - 07/02/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Did he ever make them pay




    No he got sidetracked trying to figure out how to steal an election .




And now most of the world wishes he would have.. LoL

Not that he did

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Re: July 4th [Re: donwats]
    #27847251 - 07/03/22 03:52 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I think most of the world is pretty happy Trump is gone.

Except North Korea and Russia. And Brazil. And Hungary. And Poland.

You know, the kind of places you don't really want to be.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Kryptos]
    #27847496 - 07/03/22 09:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I think you may have forgot: Mexico, Canada, Australia, most of Europe, Japan, and Taiwan.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27847743 - 07/03/22 01:36 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The one of most importance was putting a end to sending our troops off to fight pointless wars. How about going to North Korea just to say hello instead of labeling them the axes of evil. How about exposing the crimes of the bush administration...etc etc



Quote:

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I think you may have forgot: Mexico, Canada, Australia, most of Europe, Japan, and Taiwan.



We may have a new winner most retarded Politics Subforum poster.

Someone get this man an award!!!

I think we should all stop for a round of appluase... He just beat out this level of poster:

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donwats said:
The one of most importance was putting a end to sending our troops off to fight pointless wars. How about going to North Korea just to say hello instead of labeling them the axes of evil. How about exposing the crimes of the bush administration...etc etc




I think you’re giving Trump a little more credit than he deserves, but your commitment to peace is laudable



I don't know.  Trump is the only president in history to go into North Korea.





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Did he ever make them pay?





I dont even know how relatively intelligent people Kryptos post here regularly. It is the bottom of the bell-curve of the Dunning-Kreuger effect.

If they arent Russian/Chinese paid internet shills, i feel kinda bad for them. Im surprised they're not bragging about how well Trump utilized Twitter... By, i believe i did the math once, tweeting an average of once every 8 minutes for like 12 or 16 hours..

:stanhopefacepalm:


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Re: July 4th [Re: metalfaith] * 1
    #27847844 - 07/03/22 03:25 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I like to argue, and they occasionally toss me easy layups when it comes to one liners.

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    #27848332 - 07/03/22 09:50 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I dont even know how relatively intelligent people Kryptos post here regularly. It is the bottom of the bell-curve of the Dunning-Kreuger effect.

If they arent Russian/Chinese paid internet shills, i feel kinda bad for them.



Can you explain what you mean here?  It sounds to me like:

"WAAAAAH!!!  Some people think different than me.  They must be stupid.  DURRRR!!!

But maybe you're smart enough to explain yourself?  Or maybe not, we'll see...


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    #27848394 - 07/03/22 10:37 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I like to argue, and they occasionally toss me easy layups when it comes to one liners.



Listen, more power to you.

I did enjoy your quote from shivas.. I think in another thread.

I just used to think I liked arguing... But you guys are fucking pros.
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

I do enjoy dipping in from time to time. In more "productive", or is suppose on-topic, ways.

Anywhoo.. Carry on gentlemen.

Remind me why we cant agree on:

1. Removing unlimited money donations from pokitucs
2. Removing lifetime congressman
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Re: July 4th [Re: metalfaith]
    #27848409 - 07/03/22 10:48 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ah yes. I remember why...

Trump is the new Jesus.

Guns are more important.

Abortion is more important.



I thought i swore off 3rd party as useless after 2016.... As long as Trump isnt running... I might vote 3rd party.

Im not buying into the retarded fear-mongering... Its like 4 years is JUST enough time for morons to forget the similarities.

But Trump really does have supernatural away over people or sumin.. Hes too dangerous. Ted cruz is insulting his wife just to stay in power. Now thats dangerous.

Stand by everything i say... But def pretty buzzed.


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Re: July 4th [Re: metalfaith]
    #27848416 - 07/03/22 10:50 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I did debate all through high school and college, and coached debate afterwards. I'm probably gonna get a law degree if I am in a position to do so without sacrificing my current career.

I REALLY like to argue.

Hell, I'm currently arguing how much I like to argue.

Although, I don't think I have many one liners in response to shivas, I find them to be an extremely intelligent and interesting poster. Maybe the thing with the lesser of two evils, but I don't really consider that to be a one liner in the same sense. Snappy response, sure, but not one with an undercurrent of questioning the intelligence of the person I'm responding to.

Unlike, for example, page one of this thread.

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Re: July 4th [Re: metalfaith] * 2
    #27848419 - 07/03/22 10:52 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I dont even know how relatively intelligent people Kryptos post here regularly.





Kryptos? The guy that thinks Libertarianism is about : "Go back a hundred years and look up how firefighters worked.They'd show up and start negotiating a price to put out the fire currently engulfing your house, while the rst of the firemen robbed you blind."

Like what? LoL

Kryptos who posts: "Idaho state senator proposes death penalty for women seeking abortions." from some wanta be mainstream media source. Ofc Hes not a senator just a maybe candidate for lieutenant governor and he only nodded in agreement when pressed by moderators then took it back the next day.

Then more idiots chime in as if it was real.. LoL

That relatively intelligent person? LoL

And what does that make you?

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Re: July 4th [Re: metalfaith]
    #27848439 - 07/03/22 11:07 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Remind me why we cant agree on:

1. Removing unlimited money donations from pokitucs
2. Removing lifetime congressman
3. Reducing unnecessary spending



I can agree with these things, though I'm indifferent to #2 (why shouldn't we be able to keep reelecting someone who's good?)


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Re: July 4th [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27849601 - 07/04/22 07:50 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Fireworks are like drugs, fun for a bit when used properly but respect of them is needed unless you want to risk your health.

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Re: July 4th [Re: varoan] * 1
    #27849653 - 07/04/22 08:23 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Happy july 4th to all my American friends!

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