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InvisibleCymbal
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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845037 - 07/01/22 01:36 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

we definitely don’t all share a common vision of the future and the whole abortion debate should’ve proved, if anything, we don’t all agree on what constitutes life.

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If drinking Budweiser  out on lake  chin deep in tits and ass isnt the primary concern  during the 4th  of July weekend your doing it wrong .




I quit drinking and drugging a couple months ago. To top it off, I’m in a committed relationship and my girl’s tits and ass aren’t as interesting as they were when we first started dating 2 yrs ago :frown:

Edited by Cymbal (07/01/22 01:47 PM)

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845063 - 07/01/22 01:57 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Unite over what? The only thing we all have in common is our democratic government. Everything else is privatized and not of public concern. My young Gen Z nephew, whose father is a hardcore republican, informed me that democracy is nothing more than contemptible “mob rule”.

The younger generations of conservatives are embracing fascism to a degree that I don’t think most of us realize yet. And how could they not when their politicians, at least during my lifetime, have made it their primary talking point that government is to be despised and corporations need to be allowed to function unhindered by public input? The right has preached this philosophy of eroding the public commons while they’ve simultaneously constructed this massive national security state. It won’t end well and there’s really no room for comprise and unity.




WOW! You are way off :laugh:

The Bush's, Cheney's, Romney's etc.. are rinos (They are in bed with the libtards) They are the globalist cabal set on destroying human freedoms and forcing everyone into a China like system. Its not even a debatable subject anymore ITS FACT. Also Conservatives HATE the police/nanny state. Its the libtards/Rinos that want to federalize local police. And its the globalist not the conservatives that own everything. They borrowed and printed trillions dumping that debt on Americas, now they own everything and use it to control us. WAKE UP

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Re: July 4th [Re: donwats]
    #27845065 - 07/01/22 01:58 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ok. It’s all somebody else’s fault

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Re: July 4th [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27845072 - 07/01/22 02:02 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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If drinking Budweiser  out on lake  chin deep in tits and ass isnt the primary concern  during the 4th  of July weekend your doing it wrong .




Can't those things be of primary concern on any day of the year? What do those things have to do with the 4th of July? Perhaps that sort of superficial celebration is part of the problem.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845083 - 07/01/22 02:14 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Because I have to work  the rest of the year to pay for my 60,000 boat that costs 200 an hr to drive .
  It takes at least 45 min of driving my wife and  her hot friends around watching them get drunk before the tops start to accidentally fly off .


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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845095 - 07/01/22 02:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Cymbal said:
we definitely don’t all share a common vision of the future and the whole abortion debate should’ve proved, if anything, we don’t all agree on what constitutes life.





While the specifics may not be exactly the same, the general goals are a commonality.

I think both sides can agree that we want human Life to continue, we want our children and all future generations to have happy, healthy lives, we want food to be available for all, we all want freedom, and many other things that I won't take the time to list right now.

I agree, the abortion thing is another division. However, it doesn't take much to see how it's a manufactured division. The court made this a current issue, when it was largely a non-issue prior to the overturning, and they did this at an already highly polarized time. Divide and conquer.

Also, whether or not a governing body allows abortions isn't important to human Life. It's a heated debate with strong feelings on both sides, but the result does not determine whether or not people go hungry. It's another topic that's distracting most people from the real critical issues.

I understand where you're coming from, though. We've been born and raised in this division and it's difficult to imagine there being an end or a solution.


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Re: July 4th [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27845105 - 07/01/22 02:30 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Because I have to work  the rest of the year to pay for my 60,000 boat that costs 200 an hr to drive .
  It takes at least 45 min of driving my wife and  her hot friends around watching them get drunk before the tops start to accidentally fly off .




Ah, I see. The 4th is the only day you have off? That's got to suck. Sounds like no way to live, my brother, but to each their own.

Just remember, future generations may want to be chin deep in tits and ass out on the lake, too, but they may not get that chance if we don't start making some changes. And the only change that I'm really calling for is unity.


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InvisibleCymbal
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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845167 - 07/01/22 03:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

We don’t agree that we want human life to continue, hence, the partisan debate over global warming. The Supreme Court’s ruling on the EPA makes that clear.

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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845181 - 07/01/22 03:23 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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And the only change that I'm really calling for is unity.




The problem with Unity is that one side explicitly does not want or care for unity. This is why democrats are widely seen as useless lumps of shit. They keep trying to be all bipartisan, and as a result just keep getting dragged to the right.

As Barry Goldwater once said, religion and politics do not mix. Christians believe that they are on the side of God. As in, that they are on the side of absolute, capital T+J Truth and Justice. When you're on the side of absolute Truth and Justice, you do not compromise, because why would you compromise your heavenly future to unify with heathens and demons and people that are just inherently wrong?

The GOP is so thoroughly infiltrated by religious zealots that they cannot seek compromise. And at this point, I'm not even talking about specifically christian religions, the religious idea of being absolutely 100% correct about everything has pervaded the party.

The only "compromise" the GOP would ever accept is total and unconditional submission.

Edit: This is very apparent within the persecution fetish adopted by the right. Within the christian religion, being persecuted is seen as a good thing. Saints and martyrs were persecuted. Of course, now that Christianity is the dominant religion and runs the show, it is hard for them to be persecuted. So, they invent persecution. Suddenly, being told that you cannot force other people to pray with you is "persecution".

Same thing is happening to the GOP. Being forced to follow the same content moderation policies as everyone else is "censorship".

Edited by Kryptos (07/01/22 03:33 PM)

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845201 - 07/01/22 03:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Is that the will of the people? Or the will of the governmental "right" backed by financial interests?

The will and perspective of a court cannot be conflated with the will and perspective of the people which the court is said to be acting in the name of.

Being a court decision, the people had no say in the ruling.

It is unfortunate that the health of Earth is politicized, but it's been made that way due to the shady goings-on behind the scenes that have a largely corporate foundation.

The government can divide itself all it wants in the name of corporate interest, but we, the people, should never be divided.

The court dictated the lines by saying "conservative members voted this" and "liberal members voted this", and they expect the people to fall within those lines. Whether or not we go along with it is our choice.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845230 - 07/01/22 03:54 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The voters are the engine of the governmental “right” backed by financial interests

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Re: July 4th [Re: Kryptos]
    #27845241 - 07/01/22 04:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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ElVatoFirme said:
And the only change that I'm really calling for is unity.




The problem with Unity is that one side explicitly does not want or care for unity. This is why democrats are widely seen as useless lumps of shit. They keep trying to be all bipartisan, and as a result just keep getting dragged to the right.

As Barry Goldwater once said, religion and politics do not mix. Christians believe that they are on the side of God. As in, that they are on the side of absolute, capital T+J Truth and Justice. When you're on the side of absolute Truth and Justice, you do not compromise, because why would you compromise your heavenly future to unify with heathens and demons and people that are just inherently wrong?

The GOP is so thoroughly infiltrated by religious zealots that they cannot seek compromise. And at this point, I'm not even talking about specifically christian religions, the religious idea of being absolutely 100% correct about everything has pervaded the party.

The only "compromise" the GOP would ever accept is total and unconditional submission.

Edit: This is very apparent within the persecution fetish adopted by the right. Within the christian religion, being persecuted is seen as a good thing. Saints and martyrs were persecuted. Of course, now that Christianity is the dominant religion and runs the show, it is hard for them to be persecuted. So, they invent persecution. Suddenly, being told that you cannot force other people to pray with you is "persecution".

Same thing is happening to the GOP. Being forced to follow the same content moderation policies as everyone else is "censorship".




Hmm, excellent points.

I'm by no means claiming to have the answers, nor am I calling for censorship. In fact, the things I'm saying would likely be censored on Twitter or the like. When it comes to social media, one is expected to contribute to the fire or move along.

I agree, politricks and religion do not mix.

However, I'd go as far as to say that the current government and the people it rules over don't mix, either. Any time a politician from either side of the political spectrum does anything, it's treated as if anybody that claims the same side of the spectrum will agree with said actions, which isn't the case.

The government is set up with two opposing sides, black or white, whereas most regular people are grey. Of course, some of the more, let's say, "indoctrinated" people do go along with whatever their "side" says or does, and perhaps that is a majority of the people, I'm not sure, but that is not the case for all people.

What I know is that the way it is, is not the way it has to be.

The religious aspect is a difficult one to tackle because of how ingrained it is in American culture. One can't call for the removal of religious ideologies from government without being considered anti-christian or anti-religious, as your point on forced prayer exemplifies.

You've given me some food for thought, particularly with the religious aspect, and for that I thank you.


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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845261 - 07/01/22 04:09 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Cymbal said:
The voters are the engine of the governmental “right” backed by financial interests




This is true for both sides, because even the "left" caters to financial interest.

However, the supreme court is another beast entirely. We do not decide who ends up in those positions, the president and the senate do.

Also, just for the record, I don't play their political game, so I don't claim the right or the left, so if I come across as a supporter of one side or the other, it's unintentional.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845273 - 07/01/22 04:14 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

As I just said in the Moore thread, the people are not on the side of the GOP. If they were, then the government would have been dissolved Jan 7th, 2021.

This is why they are working through the court system. They tried going loud through the front door, they got shut down. Now they're sneaking around trying to find an unlocked window.

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Here's some more food for thought. Coke vs. Pepsi. Why isn't there a third competitor? Well, Coke competes with Pepsi, but when a third guy shows up to the party, both Coke and Pepsi team up to shut that shit down. Otherwise, they'd be a risk to both. RC Cola might show up in a few isolated markets in big cities, but they aren't allowed to actually gain more than a niche market share.

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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845294 - 07/01/22 04:20 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The left is a more diverse group because you’re lumping social democrats, socialists, anarchists, communists, etc., in there with the vile liberals.

The right is a more unified ideology coalesced almost exclusively around the interest of private capital.

You’re a reductionist. There will be no unity for the foreseeable future. Unity will arise through the mutual suffering of the masses, once the general public’s standard of living has been uniformly brought so low that violence and revolt becomes its common end. (There’s no guarantee that day will ever come, of course.)

Edited by Cymbal (07/01/22 04:47 PM)

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal] * 1
    #27845371 - 07/01/22 04:54 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

This is why I say that every leftist should still vote blue no matter who. The right and far right both vote red no matter what.

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Also, you have a skewed view on revolt. Look into the Narodniki. First off, that's literally where "populism" comes from. Narodnik means populist in Russian (narod = people). Second, notice that they consisted of the middle classes, not the serfs. Problem was, the serfs had nothing. People that have nothing are dependent on crumbs. Even the fastest and best planned revolution will take several weeks....which is long enough to starve to death if you live paycheck to paycheck.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Kryptos]
    #27845376 - 07/01/22 04:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Agreed

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Re: July 4th [Re: Kryptos]
    #27845447 - 07/01/22 05:48 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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As I just said in the Moore thread, the people are not on the side of the GOP. If they were, then the government would have been dissolved Jan 7th, 2021.

This is why they are working through the court system. They tried going loud through the front door, they got shut down. Now they're sneaking around trying to find an unlocked window.

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Here's some more food for thought. Coke vs. Pepsi. Why isn't there a third competitor? Well, Coke competes with Pepsi, but when a third guy shows up to the party, both Coke and Pepsi team up to shut that shit down. Otherwise, they'd be a risk to both. RC Cola might show up in a few isolated markets in big cities, but they aren't allowed to actually gain more than a niche market share.




Concerning the coke/pepsi analogy, it implies that they work together in the name of profit and market domination.

Applying that to the government, we would assume that both the left and right are working together in the name of profit and market domination. However, their "market" is one of political control. The RC cola politicians remain niche, fringe markets that never gain enough ground to implement real change.

I'm not sure where you live, but I live in a very red county and there is still much support for the right. Living where I do, I seen that trump was going to win long before the media considered it a real possibility. I'm not saying I have insight that others don't, because anyone living here would've known the same thing, but I am saying what happened on 1/6 has a lot more support than one would think.

What supporters of the right, and even the left, often fail to recognize is that they are coke and pepsi working together to stifle the competition and assert domination.


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Re: July 4th [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #27845479 - 07/01/22 06:08 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Yup.

Republicans are Coke, Democrats are Pepsi, and actual leftists are RC cola.

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Re: July 4th [Re: Cymbal]
    #27845544 - 07/01/22 06:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The left is a more diverse group because you’re lumping social democrats, socialists, anarchists, communists, etc., in there with the vile liberals.

The right is a more unified ideology coalesced almost exclusively around the interest of private capital.

You’re a reductionist. There will be no unity for the foreseeable future. Unity will arise through the mutual suffering of the masses, once the general public’s standard of living has been uniformly brought so low that violence and revolt becomes its common end. (There’s no guarantee that day will ever come, of course.)




Hmm, perhaps I do tend to reduce things to their most simple forms, as I feel that allows one to reach the common denominator which, in theory, would have greatest application. I'm not sure if you meant for that to be a derogatory statement towards me, but I think most people would benefit from reducing things down to the basics. I'm only human, though, so my thinking is subject to flaws.

I fear that what you say is true, that it'll take mass suffering to bring about unity. However, I don't think that's the only path to unity. Why wait for pain before making the changes that we know are needed to prevent the pain?


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