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Enlil said: Yes they could. The only court Required by the Constitution is the Supreme Court. The rest of the federal system is completely a creature of statute.
For that matter, even judicial review by SCOTUS is just a courtesy/convention conjured from thin air and extended by the good graces of congress
Not exactly, but it is interesting to ponder what SCOTUS could do to stop Congress if they decided to ignore them.
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Enlil]
#27846420 - 07/02/22 12:18 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Isn’t the entire system “completely a creature of statute”?
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846426 - 07/02/22 12:25 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Depends on what you mean by "entire system." Certainly, federalism isn't a creature of statute. When I read "entire system," I assume you mean federalism. So...I guess the answer is no.
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Enlil]
#27846429 - 07/02/22 12:27 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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The constitution is just a bunch of statutes.
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846436 - 07/02/22 12:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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You're thoroughly confused. The Constitution is completely different from a statute. That's the point of a constitution, after all. Statutes are decided by legislators who respond to public desires. A constitution is there to set boundaries to statutes in an attempt to reduce the effect of tyranny of the majority.
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Enlil]
#27846446 - 07/02/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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How did the constitution get there in the first place? Wasn’t it composed by a body of legislators who were, in essence, creating statutes? Legislators who were mindful of their own interests as much they were of public desires? I don’t see why the constitution needs to be treated like a holy writ. What happens when the minority becomes the one who poses the threat of tyranny against the majority (which seems to be the case 99.9% of the time throughout history, at least as far as a ruling minority subjects its accompanying majority to statutes)?
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846455 - 07/02/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Cymbal said: 1803 occurred in the 19th century
Yes. Maybe I didn't understand the point you were trying to make when you said that you didn't want to live in the 18th or 19th centuries.
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846460 - 07/02/22 12:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Cymbal said: How did the constitution get there in the first place? Wasn’t it composed by a body of legislators who were, in essence, creating statutes?
No, and I'm sorry the educational system failed you.
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846461 - 07/02/22 12:57 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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The Constitution of the U.S. is extremely malleable and has been amended many times. This is fundamentally different from how people treat things considered "holy writ".
Of course the framers had their own interests in mind, thus the need for ongoing amendments
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Enlil]
#27846467 - 07/02/22 01:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Cymbal said: 1803 occurred in the 19th century
Yes. Maybe I didn't understand the point you were trying to make when you said that you didn't want to live in the 18th or 19th centuries.
Yeah, I don’t want to live like that
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Cymbal said: How did the constitution get there in the first place? Wasn’t it composed by a body of legislators who were, in essence, creating statutes?
No, and I'm sorry the educational system failed you.
The framers weren’t legislators legislating?
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846507 - 07/02/22 01:54 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Not a fan of electric light or communication?
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846521 - 07/02/22 02:04 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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That's cool.
Did you have a position that you're able to articulate regarding judicial review as it applies to the OP or not really?
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Not as long as we are playing games with words and confining ourselves to rigid paradigms. The American situation will continue to deteriorate. Forecast is great conflagration
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846541 - 07/02/22 02:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Right, as long as you're going to play games I won't be able to understand what you're trying to say.
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846571 - 07/02/22 03:04 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Enlil wants to believe that there won’t be any practical applications of these judgments. He attempts to conjure them away with legalese. “Nothing to see here, guys.” The reason he does this is because the law is his religion, his god. He needs to keep faith. The dogma of his profession is the most concrete and stable thing in his life, the only aspect of this world that still makes sense. If he admitted to himself that the law was just another perspective, as arbitrary and contingent as all of the others, his sense of meaning would be shattered and he’d have no source to draw upon for hope.
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846581 - 07/02/22 03:18 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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The framers weren’t legislators legislating?
No.
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Enlil]
#27846583 - 07/02/22 03:20 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Wizards? Demigods?
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Re: Moore v Harper [Re: Cymbal]
#27846584 - 07/02/22 03:20 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Cymbal said: Enlil wants to believe that there won’t be any practical applications of these judgments. He attempts to conjure them away with legalese. “Nothing to see here, guys.” The reason he does this is because the law is his religion, his god. He needs to keep faith. The dogma of his profession is the most concrete and stable thing in his life, the only aspect of this world that still makes sense. If he admitted to himself that the law was just another perspective, as arbitrary and contingent as all of the others, his sense of meaning would be shattered and he’d have no source to draw upon for hope.
Red, I do believe you're talking out of your ass.
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