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InvisibleMESCALATO
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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: matts]
    #2773957 - 06/08/04 05:27 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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you could take prints and reintroduce them to the field, by putting them in the cow's trough or put them where the cows eat grass




is that truely an option and if so how would you suggest placing the spores back on to the field? fill a gallon jug of water with enough spores to change the color purple, and just walk around pouring spore water on the grass the cows may eat? if it is something that will help the field i will do it, sounds like a little bit of work but i can do it, just will that really help?


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: MESCALATO]
    #2778068 - 06/09/04 01:47 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

First off on big cattle ranches, paddocks, fields, etc, cattle ae moved from fenced area to fenced area. In some locations they are moved away in colder onths anbd returned in warmenr weather. I have seen fields grow for several years and then no shrooms ffor a few and then the cattle return and mosrte shrooms grow and the cattle are then moved again. Usually no shrooms (Cubes or copes) will grow where yong calves gracze and they will not fruit during the urine stages whent he spores formthe last crop are inthe ground.

Thent he cattle move to another area of thefield and then wander back wehere they were a few weeks before.

I have seen these pattens over a thity year perieod.

mj

No one overpicks anything. Lawn musrhooms for instance grow ell as long as the lawn is kept fetiolized. if the fertilization stops and the nitrogens and phospahates are gone than after two to three yeas the shrooms will not return. no matter how many billions of spors ae inthe lawn.

In a pasture, while some shrooms come fromt he cows eating grasses with shrooms on them or from eating shrooms gatherered when curdling the grasses, the majority of mushrooms in a pasture grow from spores on blaces of grass where manure is dropped later by the cattle.

mj


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2778080 - 06/09/04 01:51 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: matts]
    #2778106 - 06/09/04 02:00 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Farmers do not feed antifungals for mushrooms into any feed or field. They do spray nutrients into the fields ot help produce fatter cows.

And the fungals they fi eed cows are for bacteria inthe go cattle not usd to kill mushrooms in a field.

That is urban legend.

Adn what does the color purple have to do with a gallon ju\g of water. Pouring spores into a field does not mean a sigle shroom will grow from it. ASk any picker inthe pnw who has crawled through patches of P. cyanescens and then did similar crawls in numerous areas where no shrooms grew at all and even thought that person may have gathered billions of spores crawling int he bushes scissor cutting cyans, willnever find any inthe other grounds where he crawled. T it just does not work that way


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2778132 - 06/09/04 02:11 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: matts]
    #2778151 - 06/09/04 02:15 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2778195 - 06/09/04 02:32 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

i beg to differ with you,they do spray fields here.

i used to think that was urban legend until i metg a farmer who told me otherwise.

they dont spreay the fields because of mushrooms,but more for insects,and other things that degrate the field or the grass.

it does kill the mush though.

i alwasy thought it was urban legend,until i was otherwise.


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
    #2778225 - 06/09/04 02:45 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

^^ Have you ever thought that the farmer might just SAYING that in order to keep you out of the field? I think so. Come on, antifungals aren't that effective anyway. Let's think about to kill the fungus in your foot, and think about a simple one, Tinactin. It takes a week plus of daily treatment the miniscule amount of fungus is contaminating your foot.

Also, fungus is needed to decompose cow shit. Why the hell would they not want it to decompose? Do they want a field full of cow shit that could have easy been decomposed by fungus? No. I agree with mjshroomer. Reasons why they wouldn't do it

1) ineffective
2) noxious to the field
3) it's not worth their pain in the ass to do all that bullshit so they stop a couple of people leaving beer cans out.

They're out to make money, not to help law enforcement. just look at all of the producing fields.


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2778716 - 06/09/04 05:28 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

nah shrooms didnt grow in his field anyway

but he wouldnt lie to me.

he is a family member.

and anyway,foot fungas and mush fungas are in 2 different ball parks i think.

he told me because there are fungas harmful to cows that grow in grains and different grasses.

im just passing info on.

the fields are not sprayed for mush,but it kills them just the same.


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
    #2779395 - 06/09/04 08:57 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

^^ He may not be lying to you, but he might have been misinformed. Show me some research on "fungus harmful to cows." I really can't buy it until then.


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: MESCALATO]
    #2779407 - 06/09/04 08:59 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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MESCALATO said:
Quote:

matts said:
you could take prints and reintroduce them to the field, by putting them in the cow's trough or put them where the cows eat grass




is that truely an option and if so how would you suggest placing the spores back on to the field? fill a gallon jug of water with enough spores to change the color purple, and just walk around pouring spore water on the grass the cows may eat? if it is something that will help the field i will do it, sounds like a little bit of work but i can do it, just will that really help?





It's possible that one of the spores may end up producing, but the chances are low. Spores produce by freak chance because they have to have ideal conditions. You could start the spore growth off in an agar then place the growth on a substrate such as cow shit (for Psilocybe cubensis).

*edit* For nitpickers.  :mad:


Edited by thearmedforces (06/09/04 11:50 PM)


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2779761 - 06/09/04 11:13 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: matts]
    #2779818 - 06/09/04 11:47 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

>> Spores produce by freak chance when they are under ideal conditions.

I misspoke, sorry. I meant, spores produce by freak chance because they have to be under ideal conditions in order to start growth.

Listen, by freak chance I mean out of the thousands of spores that there are, not many end up producing. Think about all the thousands of spores in a producing how field, now think of the patches. So doing the math, saying there are 30 patches over the thousands of spores in the relative area of the field. By that percentage, it is a freak chance. Taking a couple spore prints and mixing it with water, although it sounds good, your are not raising the chances of production significantly (unless there are no spores in your field whatsoever, in that case you will be raising chances 100 percent.

matts, when you grow mushrooms, you are giving the spores ideal growth conditions; conditions that are not found in the wild. This raises the chances of a spore producing by an enormous percentage. We're talking about the wild here, not cultivation.

In conclusion, if the field has produced in the last recently, then you are not significantly helping mushroom production by spreading a small amount of spores around.


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: GForce]
    #2780091 - 06/10/04 02:10 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Agree with GForce here...dry your shrooms on a paper towel or over a simular receptical. Next time out, put it in a baggie and take it with you in your pack/bag/whatever. Get upwind of the field (or not)
and open the window, open the baggie, and hang the spores out in the breeze. Don't litter.


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: doormouse]
    #2784075 - 06/11/04 07:10 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: matts]
    #2784109 - 06/11/04 07:28 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

sounds like i should just do a test. after my next hunt i will print as many mushrooms as i can. fill up milk jugs with heavyly consintrated spore solution and water fresh pies, pies surrounded in grasses, any where that looks like a good home. even in the deep grass where no manure is so if a cow decides to eat that grass the cow gets spores too. its worth a try can't hurt can only help.

i will also try spray bottles as well. i just feel bad for picking so many that they might not come back, i have to try to re introduce a fraction of the spores i am taking away.


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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: MESCALATO]
    #2784124 - 06/11/04 07:45 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: over picking a cow field. [Re: matts]
    #2784156 - 06/11/04 08:12 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

yep thats the kinda prints im talking about. even the card board box i used to harvest with is covered in spores and thats from a few hrs of being in the box.
i bet i could line the bottom of the box with aluminium, collect spores on the aluminum as i harvest and then print the best mushrooms on that foil after i get them home. then i would have a sheet of wild spores to re introduce.
worth my effort although there is no way of telling if it works or not but i aam going to try it is the least i can do for the spores.

thanks matts.


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