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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: psi]
    #27881679 - 07/29/22 12:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You mean where he got sentenced to a year of work release for child prostitution?


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27881685 - 07/29/22 12:38 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Kind of seems like you are just moving the goalposts, but what about Ghislaine Maxwell's conviction?

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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: psi]
    #27881710 - 07/29/22 12:51 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Being in the ruling class doesn’t mean it’s impossible to go to jail, it means that the rules that apply to the working class don’t apply to you. There is still an appeal to maintain institutional legitimacy, which is why the Dems and Biden’s Justice Dept got dragged kicking and screaming into the Jan 6 hearings in the first place. Also, it doesn’t mean that there is some smoke-filled room vetoing the judicial branch at the behest of the ruling class. If they weren’t relatively susceptible to justice, then they wouldn’t worry about setting the precedent of jailing a former president to begin with.


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: psi]
    #27881711 - 07/29/22 12:52 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Bringing it back to Trump, if he does somehow get convicted and serve time, could you put a number on how much time he would have to serve in prison in order for you not to write it off as not counting?

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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: psi]
    #27881722 - 07/29/22 12:59 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I would say there’s a zero percent chance he serves any jail time at all.

Honestly surprised this point is even up for contention on a place like the shroomery, where we know getting caught with a joint in a red state could mean far more punitive action from the justice system than if we were caught running an international pedophile ring.


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27881745 - 07/29/22 01:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Just as a thought experiment though, how much time would Trump have to serve for it to count as a real consequence in your books?

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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: psi] * 1
    #27881758 - 07/29/22 01:32 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Exile from the United States and full compensation being demanded from the capital police civil suits.

Or the usually penalty for trying to overthrow the state…think it involves the neck... :bye:

Not that anyone asked:awedance:

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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: mushboy]
    #27881790 - 07/29/22 02:06 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I don't disagree with the general point about the elite being less likely to see consequences, I just thought The Eminence oversold it somewhat.



Personally I wouldn't be too surprised at either scenario regarding Trump seeing significant criminal consequences or not. I'd say it's more likely than not that nothing happens to him though.

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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: psi]
    #27881814 - 07/29/22 02:24 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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Just as a thought experiment though, how much time would Trump have to serve for it to count as a real consequence in your books?




Like time spent in an actual cell? One day.


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: mushboy]
    #27884458 - 07/31/22 06:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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comparing trumps real crimes to pizzagate is really.. really.. funny. and sad.
:feelsbadman:



Huh? Where did I do that?


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27884474 - 07/31/22 06:55 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

i was making a observation based off comparisons to the clitons and trump and how they are the same 'circle' guilty of 'crimes'.

even if they were the same circle the best dirt on hillary is some email bs and pizzagate compared to trumps treason/attempted coup.

if you were not making that comparison i apologize for my commentary. even tho its relevant to the convo imo.

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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: mushboy]
    #27884484 - 07/31/22 07:02 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Ah I get youwhat you were saying. In my own opinion they are all rich and politically "powerful" and also run in the same circles, were friends, hang out at the same parties etc... So I would consider them a type of "ruling class". But a made up reddit conspiracy vs an actual coup attempt are definitely not equivalent.


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27884524 - 07/31/22 07:37 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

you are right they are the powerful but how they got that way is an important step.

bill was raised by a general store owner in the south who would give credit out to everyone. including black people in a time of extreme segregation. decent thing to do back then. his birth father was killed in a car accident when he was a kid.

hillarys parents ran a factory or something and she was a book warm inspired by nasa.

trump...:lol:

he was raised in extreme privilege by a guy who built housing for the military, was investigated numerous times by the feds for war proffering, was sued for discriminatory practices and denied hi german heritage AND sported a hitler mustache. he would mock his other son, trumps brother, to the point of turning him into fatal drinker. i can relate to that one.

maybe the same social circles sure but i casually know some horrendous people just by association from other friends..family members too but that hardly means we are the same people.

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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #27884553 - 07/31/22 08:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

While the differences are clear and I agree with most of what you're saying, they are effectively in an oligarchish type class of their own and the rules apply differently to them. And if they start prosecuting people in their class,then they open themselves up for more prosecution. I'm not really putting their character or actions even on trial, outside of the fact that they don't hold their own accountable.that may change though, trump looks like he might face some shit.


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #27884578 - 07/31/22 08:11 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I mean hell trump campaigned on "lock her up" and when he won and his constituents were chanting it he just said "nah nah, we're done with that". He didn't want to set that precedent either because he knew what it could mean for him in the future.


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27884589 - 07/31/22 08:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

i took it as because trump knew it was bullshit

he didnt want the embarrassment considering he already lost the popular vote to her and he would of lost in court if he tried that crap.

but your saying its because he wanted to protect his own kind, the ruling class, and himself? ... thats harder to believe.

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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: mushboy]
    #27885707 - 08/01/22 05:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I'm sure he also knew he had nothing to actually charge her with, but yes to some degree I think he didn't want to open up some kind flood gates where politicians at high levels are actually held accountable.But I also understand that Donald Trump will also just say whatever he thinks will rile up his proles with no intent on following through.


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #27885735 - 08/01/22 05:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

If you can get one then you could get any of them.  I doubt we'll break tradition by holding anyone at those levels accountable any time soon.  Maybe they'll find a way to give Trumpy a slap on the wrist of some kind that would prevent him from holding office without doing any time or forfeiting any significant assets.

Maybe they could use this one somehow.  He'll be too old to run again 5 years after conviction


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27886414 - 08/02/22 05:46 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I think a lot of high level Republicans want Trump gone, and maybe that would be more amusingly fulfilling to have him unwanted, than to be martyred by the Democrats. It would bug him more to be unimportant than to be convicted.


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Re: Why isn’t there a thread for the Jan 6 hearings? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27886872 - 08/02/22 12:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

The guy who was turned in by his kid for assaulting the capital just got 7 years .  He actually told his kids to not turn him in because " traitors get shot " according to the article .  .
  Could you imagine saying something like that to your own family because you have a boner for Trump that won't quit .
  He should have got life with no parole . IMO .


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