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Patchouli_Savage


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koods said: Forcing trailer trash pill popping alcoholics to have their babies is gonna work out real good 
I mean, forcing any desperate woman to continue an unwanted pregnancy will certainly increase FAS rates. If a woman is desperate enough not to be pregnant and can't find a way to terminate, resorting to excessive alcohol intake to induce a miscarriage isn't far fetched at all.
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MagicMush123 said: If they weren't babies then you wouldnt be advised to stop drinking alcohol as soon as you know that you're pregnant
Only if you intend on bringing the pregnancy to term.
Idk wtf you're talking about. If you weren't artificially stopping the pregnancy a baby would be born
Right but a fetus isn't a baby. It's an embryo until 8 weeks and then it's a fetus, and it's a fetus until it is born. If it's using my body as a host I get to decide whether it lives or dies. Killing a fetus is not the same thing as killing a child. If it is completely dependent on me and cannot survive outside of my body, then it is a parasite and I, as a sentient, conscious established human being, get to decide if I am going to assume the risk of bringing it to term, birthing it, and then being responsible for it until it becomes an adult. If I don't want to continue a pregnancy, that should be between me and my doctor and nobody else should have an opinion about it. Not supreme court justices I didn't vote for, not trolls on the internet who probably can't even find the clitoris, and not some bible thumping child rapist holding a sign outside of planned parenthood.
I only came in here initially to ask about the anti choice people's view on IVF. This was to understand two things, the first being your guys' level of understanding of pregnancy in general, and the second to deduce just what lives you guys are interested in protecting. I learned that you are all extremely uneducated about pregnancy and women's health in general, because you've never had to learn about it, because pregnancy isn't something that will ever happen to you, so maybe sit down and shut the fuck up about something that doesn't even affect you. I can only guess the reason your opinions about something that can't even happen to you are this strong because you're hoping to baby trap somebody one day. There's no other logical reason, but considering you guys are also using an imaginary sky god to justify your arguments tells me logic isn't something you're capable of anyways.
In refusing to outline your ideas about IVF you've made it clear that none of you have even considered the embryos that are created and thrown in the trash during IVF for women and couples who can't conceive but don't want to adopt. This just shows us that you only care about what happens to embryos that have already secured a human host, because the root of this isn't about saving the babies, it's about controlling women. It's ironic, isn't it? People who believe in forced birth encourage women who don't want a baby to put it up for adoption without considering that only wealthy people in this country can adopt and those people usually choose IVF over adoption.
If you believe that abortion should be outlawed but IVF should not, then you're making it clear that your opinions aren't actually about the "potential life of the child." This is about controlling women's bodies, lives, and sexuality.
We are due for someone to make a post here soon asking why women don't post in the shroomery very much and why there aren't a lot of active female members. This thread and others like it will useful references to help that person understand why.
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NakedNexus
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Hartford]
#27840312 - 06/28/22 08:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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varoan said: the limiting of peoples choice or information is never a good thing. taking control and forcing someone to follow what you think will only piss them off. the issue is they are not only arguing, they are forcing people via power of law now.
but discussing each sides argument is something that should be done here. ignorance of the other side only hurts you, even if the argument is weak. making up some ridiculous argument like comparing shit to a fetus isn't helping, that's just peak internet trolling.
The problem is none of their talking points hold up after you hear them all. There is no science behind it, just biased opinions that almost always lead back to some theological nonsense. Why waste your time trying to attack or refute every bullshit excuse they pull out of their asses when the former ones are debunked? They don't care about information or knowledge, they want to dictate the rules because they believe they can and should. I say enough debate, we know their stance, now is the time for activism.
What talking point doesn't hold up?
1. Your misogyny first of all; hating women who are free with their bodies doesn't hold up, it just makes you look like another angry white boy. This is in reference to your first post.
2. Same as the first mostly, insulting people and claiming they are killing babies when no one is doing anything like that. You misconstrue words to fit your argument which just proves how weak it is. Try writing, killing fetuses is violence and maybe you won't sound as weak.
3. You reference your anecdotal experiences of people being bitter because of their abortions, which, obviously has no place in this debate. There is a good chance you are either projecting your own bitterness or they are mean and angry for another totally unrelated reason, one of which may be dealing with you on a regular basis.
4. You use chopsticks argument about how all these aborted babies could be the next this or that, yada yada. Which is probably the best argument that can be made but is also nonsensical as fuck. A different, alive person could/would accomplish whatever accolades these people are attributed. No one lives in a bubble when creating/inventing/discovering other things, there are always others who had a hand or did it completely separately.
5. How many innocent lives (people that are actually alive right now, not fetuses attached to women) have you protected? You could be doing a lot of good if you actually wanted to help people and not just crusade against others who believe differently from you.
6. How do you know the unborn need or want your help? Aren't they all going to heaven if they die before they get a chance to believe in white Jesus? Or is that purgatory? Either way you assume a lot for someone who can neither agree or disagree with you, going so far as to give them a magical category of protections no one else will ever receive.
7. Fetuses are not people, they are a clump of cells. That is why we have the word fetus, otherwise we would say things like preformed baby, or other indications it shared more features with babies than cells that most mammals share.
8. I actually agree, pastors, churches and all organized religion are very much at the root of most of our problems. They prey on the weak and brainwash others into following beliefs that are constantly against their best wishes.
9. Finally, yes your views are small and pathetic, regardless of what you want to believe, thinking you can force your views on others is very small minded and very sad. I would pity you but I'm sure your god will let you know how much you let him down when you finally kick it.
There, did I miss anything? These are all responses to your original posts.
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chopstick
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NakedNexus said: God help us all if we have to listen to one more moral or spiritual argument against abortion. Here is an idea: mind your fucking business and let others do the same. I swear it is the same with every religious nut, convinced only their code of ethics apply to any and every situation ever, determined to shove their holier-than-thou chode down everyones throat.
Let women do what they want, they are human and should be able to choose their own destiny. A fetus is a parasite until its born, what women choose to do with that is up to them. Limiting them to one option will never work and won't stop abortions, will only make them more dangerous. Those who actually care about babies would be for more education, contraception, parental leave, etc etc. Its never truly about protecting life, it is about punishing those that are different, controlling those too dumb to think for themselves.
Did it ever occur to you that you are just as militant, crazy & delusional as a religious nut?
A fetus is a parasite? Really? What will you people come up with next
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NakedNexus
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Psilimax]
#27840365 - 06/28/22 09:57 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Nah I don't go around telling others how to live their lives. I'll argue on behalf of women because none of them deserve this, even the delusional ones that believe they are saving babies.
Yep, go look up the definition of parasite if you need to be refreshed. Never mind ill do it for you since obviously ya don't know how to do your own research.
"an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense"
Where does the definition not fit?
Edit: ill debunk this one before you get to it, fetuses aren't humans. Forgot who I was even replying to, thank goodness for the ignore button.
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donwats
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I think this whole thing is a scam to further divide the country.
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varoan
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once again we are trolling with arguments that don't make sense. a fetus is a parasite, so almost all mammals reproduce by having parasite offspring?
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NakedNexus
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Re: Forced birth [Re: varoan]
#27840413 - 06/28/22 10:30 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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It may very well be, why would they start tearing apart these old settled cases if not to poke the hornet nest? And yeah, our fetuses, others fetuses, they consume and add nothing but discomfort until the birth. I won't argue anymore about them being parasites since it is obviously just an opinion for me, but it makes more sense than treating them like "unborn babies".
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koods
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Re: Forced birth [Re: varoan]
#27840416 - 06/28/22 10:31 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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obligate parasite (obligatory parasite) one that is entirely dependent upon a host for its survival.
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koods
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NakedNexus said: God help us all if we have to listen to one more moral or spiritual argument against abortion. Here is an idea: mind your fucking business and let others do the same. I swear it is the same with every religious nut, convinced only their code of ethics apply to any and every situation ever, determined to shove their holier-than-thou chode down everyones throat.
Let women do what they want, they are human and should be able to choose their own destiny. A fetus is a parasite until its born, what women choose to do with that is up to them. Limiting them to one option will never work and won't stop abortions, will only make them more dangerous. Those who actually care about babies would be for more education, contraception, parental leave, etc etc. Its never truly about protecting life, it is about punishing those that are different, controlling those too dumb to think for themselves.
Did it ever occur to you that you are just as militant, crazy & delusional as a religious nut?
A fetus is a parasite? Really? What will you people come up with next 
It is a parasite. It fits the definition. You have an emotional problem with that. But facts don’t care about your feelings. A fetus is a distinct organism that lives off the blood of its host and cannot survive outside this environment. It’s a parasite, and like a tapeworm eventually it detaches and is pooped out
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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods] 1
#27840466 - 06/28/22 11:12 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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koods said:
It is a parasite. It fits the definition. You have an emotional problem with that. But facts don’t care about your feelings. A fetus is a distinct organism that lives off the blood of its host and cannot survive outside this environment. It’s a parasite, and like a tapeworm eventually it detaches and is pooped out
At this point I'm just used to delusional nonsense coming from you. You have no moral backbone or fiber, just hate & division. Of course the sanctity of life means nothing to you. After you die during the review process you will look back on your life and be forced to ask yourself, how did you go so wrong and end up such a distorted individual?
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NakedNexus said: Nah I don't go around telling others how to live their lives. I'll argue on behalf of women because none of them deserve this, even the delusional ones that believe they are saving babies.
Yep, go look up the definition of parasite if you need to be refreshed. Never mind ill do it for you since obviously ya don't know how to do your own research.
"an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense"
Where does the definition not fit?
Edit: ill debunk this one before you get to it, fetuses aren't humans. Forgot who I was even replying to, thank goodness for the ignore button.
Oh yeah just put me on ignore, that'll solve all your life's problems! LOL
What a loser. And he only proves my point further with every post he makes. This is just more proof that the militant crazed left, for whatever reason, gets off on ending life. It would be one thing if they could just admit that they were taking a life when somebody gets an abortion instead of coming up with a million pathetic excuses. Then I could atleast respect that decision. But they don't. And they lash out when questioned.
They don't actually really truly care about abortion, this is just another thing that has been fed to them by the mass media and is contributing to their delusional hate-filled psychosis which they will end up spending most of their lives trapped in.
It's pathetic.
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koods
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It is a parasite. It fits the definition. You have an emotional problem with that. But facts don’t care about your feelings. A fetus is a distinct organism that lives off the blood of its host and cannot survive outside this environment. It’s a parasite, and like a tapeworm eventually it detaches and is pooped out
At this point I'm just used to delusional nonsense coming from you. You have no moral backbone or fiber, just hate & division. Of course the sanctity of life means nothing to you. After you die during the review process you will look back on your life and be forced to ask yourself, how did you go so wrong and end up such a distorted individual?
Facts don’t care about your feelings
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#27840476 - 06/28/22 11:23 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Facts don’t care about your feelings
You wouldn't know what a "fact" was even if it smacked you in the face. You're too far gone to be helped unfortunately. Little more than a zombie created by mass media influence. Oh well, it can't be helped
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Oh yeah just put me on ignore, that'll solve all your life's problems! LOL
What a loser.
Dude are you sure your gender was assigned correctly ? All you do is bitch and Karen the fuck out .
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NakedNexus
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Oh yeah just put me on ignore, that'll solve all your life's problems! LOL
What a loser.
Oh well, certainly solves one of my problems on this site hahaha. The Psychonaut does not concern himself with opinions of trolls.
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You guys dehumanizing a fetus by likening it to a parasite is a monstrous injustice. It's pure evil. Your arguments are unhinged from realty. They are lead by the desire for unbridled hedonistic savagery and you'll fall by your own councils.
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Hartford]
#27840595 - 06/28/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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You sound like a Muslim extremist . Have fun on your trip back to religious fundamental dark ages .
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NakedNexus
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Hartford]
#27840601 - 06/28/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Man I wish we had some unbridled hedonistic savagery, that shit sounds dope!
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Hartford]
#27840672 - 06/28/22 01:28 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hartford said: the desire for unbridled hedonistic savagery
Hells ya
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koods
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Hartford]
#27840823 - 06/28/22 03:26 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hartford said: desire for unbridled hedonistic savagery
Yassss!
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