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Re: Forced birth [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #27897036 - 08/10/22 08:15 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I have no idea what you are talking about. Everybody knows that some people think abortion is morally wrong. So what? They're a minority.




I view abortion with the same reverence as I view cracking a chicken's egg for breakfast. To say there isn't a religious component to the pro-life movement is ridiculous.

I say, keep it up conservative America. The more of these bold, drastic changes, that drag America kicking and screaming back into medieval times, the sooner your party will DIE. Your day in the sun will leave you burnt, bright red. Nightfall is coming, and a new day follows. I believe that.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #27898292 - 08/11/22 02:31 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I think the majority of people actually do think that abortion is morally wrong but are torn whether or not the law should actually reflect that

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Re: Forced birth [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #27898339 - 08/11/22 04:34 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You may be right. Forcing a women or young girl to give birth is also morally wrong. Different people have different priorities.


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Re: Forced birth [Re: MagicMush123]
    #27898711 - 08/11/22 10:23 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I think the majority of people actually do think that abortion is morally wrong but are torn whether or not the law should actually reflect that




At first, reading your post, I felt as though maybe I am a bit overly insensitive on this subject. Upon further reflection, I suppose I just don't view human life with the same reverence as most people. Whether that's a good thing or not, I'm not sure. In my view, humans are just another animal. I don't believe in souls, and I don't believe that everyone is special. It has always struck me as odd that people are so protective over babies, that are in no way developed as a human being, and grow ever more callous toward them, as they do develop.

I don't see anything wrong with using abortion as a form of birth control, aside from the fact that birth control medication can have a negative effect on the fetus's mother.

I suppose I am guilty of being highly immoral, by "most people's" standards.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #27899032 - 08/11/22 02:51 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I don't think most people give a shit. Much like starving kids in africa or whatever, they'll say its a horrible thing, but they sleep at night just fine doing nothing. 
I don't think most right-wing folks actually want a full ban, it's more about a sense of moral superiority. What they want is a reason to call democrats baby killers.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #27899096 - 08/11/22 03:37 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I don't think most people give a shit. Much like starving kids in africa or whatever, they'll say its a horrible thing, but they sleep at night just fine doing nothing. 
I don't think most right-wing folks actually want a full ban, it's more about a sense of moral superiority. What they want is a reason to call democrats baby killers.




I remember visiting a web page years ago... I'm sure I wouldn't be able to find it now, but the page was hundreds of examples of religious folks and prolifers, sometimes very staunch activists, who had had abortions. There were letters from religious figures and I believe even senators, insisting that their daughters get abortions,  so as not to bring shame to their family, for having children out of wedlock.

One woman was the head of a prolife activist organization. She got knocked up, had an abortion, and then resumed her role in the organization.

I wish I knew the page, because it was really interesting, honestly.

You are precisely correct, is what I am getting at.


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Re: Forced birth [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #27899945 - 08/12/22 01:30 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You guys never help yourselves to a nice zygote sandwich before or something?


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Re: Forced birth [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27899972 - 08/12/22 02:28 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I like to shoot up fresh stem cells

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Lynnch]
    #27900171 - 08/12/22 07:18 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I like to shoot up fresh stem cells




Me too! Weeeeird!

Stem cells and meth... for energy.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #27907531 - 08/18/22 12:17 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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MagicMush123 said:
I think the majority of people actually do think that abortion is morally wrong but are torn whether or not the law should actually reflect that




At first, reading your post, I felt as though maybe I am a bit overly insensitive on this subject. Upon further reflection, I suppose I just don't view human life with the same reverence as most people. Whether that's a good thing or not, I'm not sure. In my view, humans are just another animal. I don't believe in souls, and I don't believe that everyone is special. It has always struck me as odd that people are so protective over babies, that are in no way developed as a human being, and grow ever more callous toward them, as they do develop.

I don't see anything wrong with using abortion as a form of birth control, aside from the fact that birth control medication can have a negative effect on the fetus's mother.

I suppose I am guilty of being highly immoral, by "most people's" standards.





You're at the actual core of the debate with this one. Wether or not abortion is immoral is dependant upon what you believe concerning the nature of souls etc.

If we're just bio machines that exist for no reason then by all means abort babies. Kill full grown humans, what's it matter.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Orokusaki]
    #27907535 - 08/18/22 12:34 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Well there’s no such thing as souls. That is a religious construct and has no business being a factor in guiding public policy.


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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
    #27907606 - 08/18/22 03:04 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Should murder be legalized?

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Hartford]
    #27907654 - 08/18/22 04:27 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Wtf does that have to do with what I said


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Re: Forced birth [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #27907674 - 08/18/22 04:54 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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MagicMush123 said:
I think the majority of people actually do think that abortion is morally wrong but are torn whether or not the law should actually reflect that




At first, reading your post, I felt as though maybe I am a bit overly insensitive on this subject. Upon further reflection, I suppose I just don't view human life with the same reverence as most people. Whether that's a good thing or not, I'm not sure. In my view, humans are just another animal. I don't believe in souls, and I don't believe that everyone is special. It has always struck me as odd that people are so protective over babies, that are in no way developed as a human being, and grow ever more callous toward them, as they do develop.

I don't see anything wrong with using abortion as a form of birth control, aside from the fact that birth control medication can have a negative effect on the fetus's mother.

I suppose I am guilty of being highly immoral, by "most people's" standards.




My wife and I were staying in a hotel over the weekend so we had cable for the first time in more than a decade. Lots of commercials, holy shit, I had forgotten how bad this shit is. Anyways, there was one where a priest compared abortions to the holocaust. I'm looking around the room like there was somebody other than my wife in there wondering how the fuck the two can even be compared. One was a maniac loading entire families on trains in a death sentence, the other is individuals choosing how to live their lives.

I honestly think the entire anti-abortion thing is just a bunch of people that want to get laid but can't, and they trying to force some shit on women because they are jealous those people had sex. The entire religious aspect is as usual just a front for being a piece of shit. False morality being the ultimate jerkoff session for those that want to preach.

I was vegetarian for a long time. This was back in college. I had this girlfriend for a few weeks and we were discussing being a vegetarian and sort of the reasons for me doing it. I did it because I like vegetables. Not really any other motivations. Anyways, I said I would eat a human just the same as I would eat a dog or a cow. I view it all the same. She was so repulsed. She went off about how humans are not the same as cows, and eating a dog is just insane. To me, a protein is a protein. It doesn't matter if it is beans and rice, dog, or human. The girl dumped me about a week later. I guess she wasn't onboard.


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Re: Forced birth [Re: christopera]
    #27907701 - 08/18/22 05:36 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

every antiabortion politician is also someone who ran on family values, so the first thing they do when they get their mistress pregnant is to quietly pay for her abortion.


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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
    #27907805 - 08/18/22 07:35 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Wtf does that have to do with what I said




I'm just wondering if this new revelation about souls being nonexistent means that murder shouldbe legalized, too. Or if not, what do you think the basis of homicide laws are, if not religion?

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #27907810 - 08/18/22 07:43 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

sounds like without some fake morality you feel as if you have zero control over your actions or ethical responsibility.

do you always feel this out of control? maybe you should seek some help dude.

Edited by mushboy (08/18/22 07:46 AM)

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Hartford]
    #27907869 - 08/18/22 08:49 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Wtf does that have to do with what I said




I'm just wondering if this new revelation about souls being nonexistent means that murder shouldbe legalized, too. Or if not, what do you think the basis of homicide laws are, if not religion?




You think homicide laws are based on religion? Like without religion we’d all be ok with mass murder? Even animals don’t behave like that.


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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
    #27907934 - 08/18/22 09:52 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Well there’s no such thing as souls. That is a religious construct and has no business being a factor in guiding public policy.





That's an a priori quasi religious/philosophical belief that you personally hold.

It's dishonest to state it as a fact or in a way that implies you can even know it as a fact.

It's business in guiding public policy is exactly the same as any other belief. The people who believe it have every right to influence society and allow their beliefs to influence their votes as they see fit.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Hartford]
    #27907935 - 08/18/22 09:55 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Wtf does that have to do with what I said




I'm just wondering if this new revelation about souls being nonexistent means that murder shouldbe legalized, too. Or if not, what do you think the basis of homicide laws are, if not religion?





I think the question revolves more around "what does it matter if someone is murdered if all we are, are biological machines and everything is random and it doesn't matter that we even exist."

You can say some simple shit like "Well it matters to me" to which I would say, and how do you know it matters to you?  A feeling? 

Isn't that just a chemical reaction I. A biological machine that exists by random chance and accident and it doesn't even matter because nothing does?

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