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Re: Forced birth [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #27855573 - 07/09/22 03:50 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The foster kid thing should be a really easy problem to fix . Conservative states  could just force their residents to adopt kids .  If your going to force poor girls to carry rape  babies then why not ?
      They  could set up a lottery system based on your income like the hunting tag draw system  but instead of points  the amount of money you make determines your odds of getting a child .
  Then liberal states could send all of their foster kids  to red states where they would forced  or saved by being placed into families who  can afford to take care of them .
  I think that's what Jesus would do .




At first I thought this post was a little off the rails till I got to "hunting tag draw system". This should appeal to red states.


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Re: Forced birth [Re: Lynnch]
    #27855688 - 07/09/22 07:27 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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You can't end abortion. You can make it difficult and dangerous, or you can make it safe and effective. Those are your two options. Women don't care about your hypotheticals and morals, this is real life and death for them. Some folks are able to take on that power of choice, others are cowards who want to decide for everyone else. I just wish they cared about the real full lives of women, just at least as much as imaginary potential children.




You can make the same argument about adults murdering each other, or rape.

But you wouldn't do that, simply because you don't support rape. The only difference here is you support abortion.

Point is, it's a dumb argument.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Enlil]
    #27855690 - 07/09/22 07:29 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Abortion is natural




So is rape and murder.

The "But it's natural" argument is a bad argument.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27855691 - 07/09/22 07:31 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Red states are winning and this policy will further stabilize them.




Other than Texas, there's not a lot of winning of any kind in red states. They depend on blue states for their economic welfare.




If that's true (I've heard arguments both ways) it isn't true anymore.

Over the last two years the wealthy and business have fled blue states like they're on fire. (Some were)

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Re: Forced birth [Re: falcon]
    #27855694 - 07/09/22 07:32 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I agree, I'm waiting for some words why it's not.




You're conflating natural with good.

Murder and rape are "natural".

The point of being a human is to not behave like an animal.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Orokusaki] * 2
    #27855697 - 07/09/22 07:36 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Yes, I read those stories too, but the blue states are still heavily subsidizing the red states for federal welfare, so you let me know when that changes.


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Re: Forced birth [Re: Orokusaki]
    #27855773 - 07/09/22 08:54 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The kid doesn't deserve to die. It's not going to reverse time and unrape the mother.



Everyone deserves to die. I don't care what evil shit someone does. No one deserves to live forever.


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Re: Forced birth [Re: Orokusaki]
    #27855776 - 07/09/22 08:55 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Abortion is natural




So is rape and murder.

The "But it's natural" argument is a bad argument.



I didn't argue that,  but nice strawman bro


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Re: Forced birth [Re: Orokusaki]
    #27855899 - 07/09/22 10:32 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The kid doesn't deserve to die. It's not going to reverse time and unrape the mother.




There are things worse than rape . Like the govt forcing you to risk your life carrying a rapists baby to term and then being financially responsible for a child you didn't want that was violently forced inside of you  for 18 years .


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Re: Forced birth [Re: Orokusaki]
    #27856099 - 07/09/22 01:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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You can make the same argument about adults murdering each other, or rape.




Abortion is a lifesaving consensual medical procedure. I know you want to pretend it isn't, but for the living breathing humans that undergo the procedure, that is what it is. Their rights get precedence over a hypothetical potential child.
It is not a moral equivalent to either rape or murder.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Orokusaki]
    #27856138 - 07/09/22 02:25 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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And besides, let's be honest here. If we were to cede that in cases of rape, abortion was acceptable, would you cede that abortion in cases that aren't due to rape is immoral and shouldn't be allowed?




No, actually. This significantly weakens your argument of protecting unborn life. If you actually believed that you were protecting life by banning abortion, you would not allow exceptions for rape, incest, or the life of the mother. Your position would be that women become disposable the moment they are pregnant.

The fact that you are willing to cede rape cases shows that this isn't about life, but about cruelty and control.

The fact that not ceding rape, incest, and life of the mother exceptions is extremely politically inconvenient puts you in a very difficult position.





Yes I'm aware that ceding abortions in cases of rape would be a contradiction.

Which is why I didn't cede it and evoked a hypothetical to prove a point.

But I'm not seeing where or why females would become "disposable".

That sounds like dramatically dishonest language.

Speak with integrity.




If the fetus is considered a child and they cannot be harmed in any way, then the mother, being the life support system of the fetus, becomes disposable. This is not dishonest language. This is the simple truth. You just don't like it phrased that way because it is very inconvenient.

Fuck integrity. You have none, why should I?

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
    #27856169 - 07/09/22 02:57 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Your conscience is defiled thereby

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #27856173 - 07/09/22 03:08 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Anybody who's got a perfectly clear conscience scares me.

If you have a clear conscience, that just tells me you lack awareness of the pain you cause to those around you.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
    #27859210 - 07/11/22 08:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Irish Member of Parliament Mick Wallace weighs in:



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Re: Forced birth [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27859306 - 07/11/22 09:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Holy shit , that nutter needs to ditch the pink tank top for some serious cloths and comb his hair when he addresses the parliament . How insulting .


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Re: Forced birth [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27859318 - 07/11/22 09:05 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ah, he was entertaining, irrelevant to this thread, still entertaining.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: falcon]
    #27861179 - 07/13/22 12:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Glenn Greenwald is vile human garbage



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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
    #27861382 - 07/13/22 03:45 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Lol, both of those were real stories...Thankfully even the Florida GOP isn't crazy enough to actually pass half the shit they say.

Did you hear about the Irish equivalent? A while back, 14 year old girl got raped, was gonna go to UK for abortion, so when her parents reported the crime, the police took away their parental rights and her passport so she couldn't leave.

And now the GOP is trying to figure out ways to ban people from traveling to other states for abortions.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
    #27861393 - 07/13/22 03:57 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I have always wondered about that.... how can states  use ordinary criminal laws to prosecute people for crimes committed outside of their borders?

Isnt there a jurisdiction issue?


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Re: Forced birth [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27861462 - 07/13/22 05:04 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Well, normally they can't. But they're trying to use the Texas gambit of having the enforcement be crowdsourced through civil penalties.

I linked some model legislation earlier in this thread.

They are also talking about possible methods of restricting interstate travel, because that's not actually written into the constitution.

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