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MagicMush123
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MagicMush123 said: Abortion hasnt been outlawed or anything. It just gave states the power to outlaw it. And anyone is still free to move to a place like California where it will never be illegal. And ps the American constitution is one of the greatest documents ever written
Your arguments are in such bad faith. Here is hoping your loved ones are affected by these rulings so maybe you will care beyond your limited perspective. And ps that says everything I need to know about you. This is why we need abortion available up to age 20, your parents would have had it so much easier, I have no doubt. Too bad, instead we have to listen to you angrily lash out at women you don't know about things you don't understand. Shit you are America's poster child, ignorant as all hell but very vocal about their own stupidity and proud of it.
I argue in bad faith yet you cant even form an argument without personally attacking people. Ps im not even American
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MagicMush123
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DMT lol.
Whatever happened to actions have consequences? I mean even if you had the slightest bit of responsibility you could easily avoid getting pregnant
Or you could just be responsible and get an abortion if you don’t want a child
Honestly if you dont want a child you should be taking precautions.
Yes, the men could give up sex, or get castrated, or all become gay. Oh, did you mean women should be taking precautions?
I think both sides need to take precautions. But the woman should be extra diligent because shes the one that could end up stuck with a baby
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Extra diligent? We are the ones that nut. it’s on us to be diligent with where we dump our goo
If it were on women that’d be akin to making other people carry a tissue for when you inevitably blow boogers everywhere… or you could not sneeze your genetic material everywhere
Edited by mushboy (06/30/22 12:45 PM)
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MagicMush123 said: Abortion hasnt been outlawed or anything. It just gave states the power to outlaw it. And anyone is still free to move to a place like California where it will never be illegal. And ps the American constitution is one of the greatest documents ever written
Your arguments are in such bad faith. Here is hoping your loved ones are affected by these rulings so maybe you will care beyond your limited perspective. And ps that says everything I need to know about you. This is why we need abortion available up to age 20, your parents would have had it so much easier, I have no doubt. Too bad, instead we have to listen to you angrily lash out at women you don't know about things you don't understand. Shit you are America's poster child, ignorant as all hell but very vocal about their own stupidity and proud of it.
I argue in bad faith yet you cant even form an argument without personally attacking people. Ps im not even American
Makes sense, you probably admire every little shitty thing our country does. Not all the time, but you and your views deserve to be insulted. I don't feel any moral qualms for calling shit shit. I know I'm not supposed to be flaming ya so I won't bother responding anymore, just felt one more need to remind you that your views are garbage.
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What it dose is give every individual choice and the free markets that the people choose grows and the markets that people reject die.
Psychopath
This is the typical libertarian dimwit
Edited by koods (06/30/22 01:02 PM)
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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
#27843935 - 06/30/22 02:59 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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LoL, typical libertarian ahhhh ok
Here i thought Ron Paul and Gary Johnson were typical libertarians.
https://www.youtube.com/c/RonPaulLibertyReport/videos
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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats]
#27843972 - 06/30/22 03:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Two more libertarian idiots
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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
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What it dose is give every individual choice and the free markets that the people choose grows and the markets that people reject die.
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This is the typical libertarian dimwit
Haha, was he just putting them on?
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Re: Forced birth [Re: falcon]
#27844158 - 06/30/22 05:57 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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No he’s just clueless
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Kryptos
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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats]
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koods said: Libertarianism doesn’t actually work in the real world
What it dose is give every individual choice and the free markets that the people choose grows and the markets that people reject die. It grows like a weed like in nature, its perfect.
With 30+ trillion debt i might agree that it cant really happen at this point and it would be under constant attack by people that want to control everyone and everything.
Go back a hundred years and look up how firefighters worked.
They'd show up and start negotiating a price to put out the fire currently engulfing your house, while the rst of the firemen robbed you blind.
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Kryptos
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
#27844380 - 06/30/22 10:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/abortion-state-lines/
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Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people in states where abortion is banned from seeking the procedure elsewhere, according to people involved in the discussions.
The idea has gained momentum in some corners of the antiabortion movement in the days since the Supreme Court struck down its 49-year-old precedent protecting abortion rights nationwide, triggering abortion bans across much of the Southeast and Midwest.
The Thomas More Society, a conservative legal organization, is drafting model legislation for state lawmakers that would allow private citizens to sue anyone who helps a resident of a state that has banned abortion from terminating a pregnancy outside of that state. The draft language will borrow from the novel legal strategy behind a Texas abortion ban enacted last year in which private citizens were empowered to enforce the law through civil litigation.
The subject was much discussed at two national antiabortion conferences last weekend, with several lawmakers interested in introducing these kinds of bills in their own states.
The National Association of Christian Lawmakers, an antiabortion organization led by Republican state legislators, has begun working with the authors of the Texas abortion ban to explore model legislation that would restrict people from crossing state lines for abortions, said Texas state representative Tom Oliverson (R), the charter chair of the group’s national legislative council.
“Just because you jump across a state line doesn’t mean your home state doesn’t have jurisdiction,” said Peter Breen, vice president and senior counsel for the Thomas More Society. “It’s not a free abortion card when you drive across the state line.”
The Biden Justice Department has already warned states that it would fight such laws, saying they violate the right to interstate commerce.
Roe’s gone. Now antiabortion lawmakers want more.
In relying on private citizens to enforce civil litigation, rather than attempting to impose a state-enforced ban on receiving abortions across state lines, such a law is more difficult to challenge in court because abortion rights groups don’t have a clear person to sue.
Like the Texas abortion ban, the proposal itself could have a chilling effect, where doctors in surrounding states stop performing abortions before courts have an opportunity to intervene, worried that they may face lawsuits if they violate the law.
Not every antiabortion group is on board with the idea.
Catherine Glenn Foster, president of Americans United for Life, noted that people access medical procedures across state lines all the time.
“I don’t think you can prevent that,” she said.
While some antiabortion groups aspire to push Congress to pass a national abortion ban, restricting movement across state lines would represent another step in limiting the number of abortions performed in the United States.
These kinds of bills could be proposed even before state legislatures reconvene for their regular 2023 legislative sessions, said Arkansas state Sen. Jason Rapert (R). His home state, he said, may soon address this issue in an already planned special session. Another Arkansas senator, he said, has expressed interest in introducing that legislation.
“Many of us have supported legislation to stop human trafficking,” said Rapert, president of the National Association of Christian Lawmakers. “So why is there a pass on people trafficking women in order to make money off of aborting their babies?”
In a television interview over the weekend, South Dakota Gov. Kristi L. Noem (R) left the door open to restricting out-of-state abortions in her state, where a trigger ban took effect as soon as Roe was overturned. The governor, who has called a special session to discuss abortion legislation, said the topic may be debated in South Dakota in the future.
Abortion is now banned in these states. Others will follow.
Dale Bartscher, the executive director of South Dakota Right to Life, the leading antiabortion organization in South Dakota, said he was “very interested” in stopping South Dakota residents from accessing abortion in other states.
“I’ve heard that bantered about across the state of South Dakota,” he said, though he would not discuss the goal of the upcoming special session.
The idea to restrict out-of-state abortions surfaced earlier this year, when Missouri state Rep. Mary Elizabeth Coleman (R), who is special counsel at the Thomas More Society, proposed legislation that relied on the Texas-style enforcement mechanism. While Coleman’s bill failed to pass in the 2022 legislative session, Coleman said she has heard from multiple lawmakers and antiabortion advocates in other states who are eager to pursue similar legislation.
The issue is particularly pertinent in Coleman’s home state of Missouri, which outlawed abortion with a trigger ban that took effect within an hour of the Supreme Court’s decision. As many as 14,000 people are expected to flood into southern Illinois this year, including thousands of Missouri residents, according to Planned Parenthood.
Missouri lawmaker seeks to stop residents from obtaining abortions out of state
Several Democrat-led states have passed legislation this year to counteract laws that try to restrict movement across state lines.
Connecticut passed a law in April that offers broad protections from antiabortion laws that try to reach into other states. The measure would shield people from out-of-state summonses or subpoenas issued in cases related to abortion procedures that are legal in Connecticut. And it would prevent Connecticut authorities from adhering to another state’s request to investigate or punish anyone involved in facilitating a legal abortion in Connecticut.
“Legislators in [antiabortion] states have made clear that their intent is not only to ban abortion within their own state’s borders, but to ban it in states where it is expressly permitted,” Connecticut state Rep. Matt Blumenthal (D) said in an interview in April.
California passed a similar law Thursday, aiming to protect abortion providers and patients from civil suits. Georgana Hanson of Planned Parenthood Empire State Acts in Albany NY, responds to the Supreme Court striking down Roe v Wade by saying New Yorkers will fight hard in New York State to protect abortion rights and access. (Video: Erin Patrick O'Connor, Zoeann Murphy/The Washington Post)
The Justice Department has already signaled its intention to fight against these kinds of laws in court.
In a statement Friday, Attorney General Merrick Garland said the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe “does not eliminate the ability of states to keep abortion legal within their borders. And the Constitution continues to restrict states’ authority to ban reproductive services provided outside their borders.”
That declaration suggests that if a particular state did pass a law seeking to prevent women from traveling across state lines to receive an abortion, the Justice Department might file court papers opposing such a law. That strategy was ultimately unsuccessful in the Justice Department’s opposition to the Texas law limiting many abortions, but any new state law that involved interstate travel could raise additional legal questions for the courts.
Garland argued that the Constitution was unequivocal on the legality of crossing state lines for medical treatment.
“We recognize that traveling to obtain reproductive care may not be feasible in many circumstances. But under bedrock constitutional principles, women who reside in states that have banned access to comprehensive reproductive care must remain free to seek that care in states where it is legal,” Garland said, adding that the First Amendment safeguards anyone who offers information or counseling about “reproductive care that is available in other states.”
A Justice Department spokesman did not elaborate on the attorney general’s statement.
David Cohen, a Drexel University law professor who has studied these kinds of proposals, noted that Supreme Court Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh addressed interstate travel in a separate concurring opinion he wrote along with the ruling to overturn Roe, where he specified that people could not be prosecuted for out-of-state abortions.
But Kavanaugh’s concurrence does not address the civil enforcement strategy that is gaining traction among antiabortion groups, Cohen said.
“This is going to create state-against-state and state-against-federal chaos that we haven’t seen in this country in a long time.”
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Kryptos
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
#27844382 - 06/30/22 10:04 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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And here's model legislation for states to pass abortion bans with no exceptions for rape and incest
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22074554/nrlc-model-legislation.pdf
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
#27844390 - 06/30/22 10:23 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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first they ban incest, now abortion. what's next?
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Kryptos
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Re: Forced birth [Re: varoan]
#27844399 - 06/30/22 10:54 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Fetal personhood laws are used to target women that drink or use drugs while pregnant, and if fetal personhood laws are extended to fertilization, that basically means women of childbearing age cannot drink or use drugs because they might be pregnant.
Oh, and when I say "drugs", I mean all drugs. Including the kind that a doctor prescribes. There was a case out of the Dominican Republic a while back where doctors refused to give a woman that got pregnant chemo treatments for her leukemia because it might have hurt her baby...so she died of leukemia three weeks later.
Alabama prosecuted a woman who was in a car crash for taking the pain meds her doctor gave her while pregnant.
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MagicMush123
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MagicMush123 said: Abortion hasnt been outlawed or anything. It just gave states the power to outlaw it. And anyone is still free to move to a place like California where it will never be illegal. And ps the American constitution is one of the greatest documents ever written
Your arguments are in such bad faith. Here is hoping your loved ones are affected by these rulings so maybe you will care beyond your limited perspective. And ps that says everything I need to know about you. This is why we need abortion available up to age 20, your parents would have had it so much easier, I have no doubt. Too bad, instead we have to listen to you angrily lash out at women you don't know about things you don't understand. Shit you are America's poster child, ignorant as all hell but very vocal about their own stupidity and proud of it.
I argue in bad faith yet you cant even form an argument without personally attacking people. Ps im not even American
Makes sense, you probably admire every little shitty thing our country does. Not all the time, but you and your views deserve to be insulted. I don't feel any moral qualms for calling shit shit. I know I'm not supposed to be flaming ya so I won't bother responding anymore, just felt one more need to remind you that your views are garbage.
Im the bad guy when you wished ill will on me and my family because i disagree with you about abortion. Maybe you should look in the mirror
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#27847852 - 07/03/22 03:35 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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https://www.popsugar.com/news/Idaho-Senator-Suggests-Death-Penalty-Abortion-Punishment-44722281
Idaho state senator proposes death penalty for women seeking abortions.
abortion is murder, but putting women to death is, apparently, not.
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
#27847964 - 07/03/22 05:33 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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That's pro-lifers for ya.
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#27848304 - 07/03/22 09:19 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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If you dont hold life as precious, I will kill you. Kinda showing thier cards, who wouldda thought.
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Edited by SirTripAlot (07/03/22 09:19 PM)
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koods
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There’s a work around. You can’t execute a pregnant woman right?
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