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They're safer than childbirth, but you think women should he forced to undergo that. This is a solution that removes the moral dilemma from abortion by eliminating the need for abortions at all.
I'm not sure how your public education was but you might be surprised to learn we dont get pregnant by ourselves. Our eggs are outnumbered by sperm by millions upon millions. Male sterilization is reversible in most cases, and since women's fertility can be ruined by some birth controls (such as injury related to IUD) as well as pregnancy so I think it's tit for tat there.
It's an easier, safer procedure and is also the safest most effective birth control. This would benefit all of society in a variety of ways.
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MagicMush123 said: Why would every man need to suffer because some women make bad decisions?
How is a vasectomy suffering?
Your solution to women making bad decisions is to force every man to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure. How practical is that?
Why should you get reproductive autonomy if women don’t?
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27843068 - 06/29/22 09:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Huh, interestingly, the Dobbs case contains the sentence
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The constitution reserves to the state--not the courts or medical interest groups--the authority to determine these sterilizing interventions are too dangerous
So they might even go after the right to get sterilized.
If men actually had to start taking responsibility for their unwanted babies, abortion would be legal until age ten
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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
#27843076 - 06/29/22 09:49 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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They probably will, after a while.
There is a long term play here--remember the drop in crime that started approximately prime offender age after Roe?
16-24 years from now, crime will spike. This gives the GOP a big talking point, one they are probably counting on to crack down on civil liberties.
At a certain point, men will also be the victims.
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Patchouli_Savage said: They're safer than childbirth, but you think women should he forced to undergo that. This is a solution that removes the moral dilemma from abortion by eliminating the need for abortions at all.
I'm not sure how your public education was but you might be surprised to learn we dont get pregnant by ourselves. Our eggs are outnumbered by sperm by millions upon millions. Male sterilization is reversible in most cases, and since women's fertility can be ruined by some birth controls (such as injury related to IUD) as well as pregnancy so I think it's tit for tat there.
It's an easier, safer procedure and is also the safest most effective birth control. This would benefit all of society in a variety of ways.
Are you really that delusional? Do you really think forcing every male to undergo a vasectomy is really a better option than being responsible and taking necessary precautions? How the fuck is snipping someone's balls a better option than using any contraceptives?
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Contraceptives fail a lot more than snipped balls. Plus, it's safer and cheaper. Capitalism, baby!
After all, this is about the preborn children. Even one accident is too many, right? Innocent lives and all of that?
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27843094 - 06/29/22 10:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Ok so after looking all this crap up in Oklahoma you can still use the next day pill and still leave the state to get a abortion without penalty.
It maybe fucked up law, but not really the end of the world, and the average across the country is 20-24 weeks.
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Psilimax]
#27843097 - 06/29/22 10:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Thats still a pretty big deal.
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Patchouli_Savage said: They're safer than childbirth, but you think women should he forced to undergo that. This is a solution that removes the moral dilemma from abortion by eliminating the need for abortions at all.
I'm not sure how your public education was but you might be surprised to learn we dont get pregnant by ourselves. Our eggs are outnumbered by sperm by millions upon millions. Male sterilization is reversible in most cases, and since women's fertility can be ruined by some birth controls (such as injury related to IUD) as well as pregnancy so I think it's tit for tat there.
It's an easier, safer procedure and is also the safest most effective birth control. This would benefit all of society in a variety of ways.
Are you really that delusional? Do you really think forcing every male to undergo a vasectomy is really a better option than being responsible and taking necessary precautions? How the fuck is snipping someone's balls a better option than using any contraceptives?
Yes I absolutely do.
Contraceptives fail and men rape women. Simple. The end.
If you are going to place all the responsibility for pregnancy prevention on women, then you don't get to say what happens if an unwanted pregnancy occurs. Simple as that. Snip everyone's balls or don't interfere with women's access to safe abortions.
Don't endorse making poor women drive 7 fucking hours one way (if she even has a reliable car) to get an abortion when gas is 5 dollars a fucking gallon and just say "well she should just have to have a baby now because obviously if this thing happened she's a trash person. She should've kept her legs closed. That child deserves to be born even if it's being born into a bad situation." and all this other bullshit. That's not accessible medical care.
And then when the mom can't support the baby that she didn't want to have because she couldn't support it becomes further trapped in poverty she'll be vilified for being a single welfare mom.
You say it's about sanctity of life and personal responsibility but you never talk about the "child" and the potential quality of life it would or wouldnt have, nor do you talk about the man or his responsibilities.
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I just said i wear a condom every time i have sex because i really dont want a kid. Thats the definition of taking responsibility. And if i can lose my entertainment/travel privileges for not taking the vaccine some whore can drive to another state to have an abortion
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MagicMush123 said: I just said i wear a condom every time i have sex because i really dont want a kid. Thats the definition of taking responsibility. And if i can lose my entertainment/travel privileges for not taking the vaccine some whore can drive to another state to have an abortion
Even if that is true, you are not every man.
Not all men take responsibility like you to self-rightously claim to and you've made it clear that you feel that if men behave irresponsibly in a way that impregnates someone, she is now at fault for that man's responsibility.
There's no reason basic medical care should be that difficult to obtain.
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MagicMush123 said: I just said i wear a condom every time i have sex because i really dont want a kid. Thats the definition of taking responsibility. And if i can lose my entertainment/travel privileges for not taking the vaccine some whore can drive to another state to have an abortion
Even if that is true, you are not every man.
Not all men take responsibility like you to self-rightously claim to and you've made it clear that you feel that if men behave irresponsibly in a way that impregnates someone, she is now at fault for that man's responsibility.
There's no reason basic medical care should be that difficult to obtain.
Is it really that hard to have sex with men that you know and trust?
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Oklahoma bans it at conception. Quote:
Patchouli_Savage said: Just mandate vasectomies and call it a day. Men can get multiple people pregnant in a day so why not fix the problem at the source?
They can have it reversed when they've proven they are financially, emotionally, and mentally well enough to raise a child and don't have congenital disorders they can pass on.
Problem solved.
one unwanted surgery on me which I never had a say in is enough, let's not add to that list.
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Re: Forced birth [Re: varoan]
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Patchouli_Savage said: Just mandate vasectomies and call it a day. Men can get multiple people pregnant in a day so why not fix the problem at the source?
They can have it reversed when they've proven they are financially, emotionally, and mentally well enough to raise a child and don't have congenital disorders they can pass on.
Problem solved.
one unwanted surgery on me which I never had a say in is enough, let's not add to that list.
Oh you wouldn't want to have a medical procedure done against your will?
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of course not.
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Take a look at this loon: PA Representative Christopher M. Rabb
A Pennsylvania state representative says his parody bill that proposes vasectomies for all men 40 and up has led to death threats.
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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats]
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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats]
#27843154 - 06/29/22 10:43 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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This legislation will also empower Pennsylvanians to enforce this new law by offering a $10,000 reward for reporting to the proper authorities those scofflaws who have not complied with this statute within the allotted timeframe. LoL, and he lives off the public's tax dollar.
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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats]
#27843159 - 06/29/22 10:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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actually, medical procedures like vaccines or a check-up are fine. those provide a benefit that no one is going to dispute. but no one should force a surgery on someone unless it absolutely has to be done. pretty sure the surgery I had wasn't needed to save my life.
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Re: Forced birth [Re: varoan]
#27843165 - 06/29/22 10:52 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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"as we head towards climax on this heated discourse". who is writing this stuff?
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