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MagicMush123
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
#27842986 - 06/29/22 09:01 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Scared of these what ifs. Im sure you avoid roads because getting into a car accident is more likely than all the risks you're so worried about
It's not a what if, it's a when. You're trying to convince me that your party isn't going to do what it explicitly says it will do. That's part of the platform.
The GQP is using straight up abuse tactics. You are as well. Congratulations.
Do you have regular sex? Ive beem having regular sex for almost 10 years with different people and i dont get how a condom could possibly break. No body is worried about condoms breaking because its next to impossible for it to happen
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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats]
#27842988 - 06/29/22 09:01 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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donwats said: Its a dead link : https://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb612&Session=2100
let see your link
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2021-22%20SUPPORT%20DOCUMENTS/BILLSUM/House/SB612%20ENGR%20BILLSUM.PDF
Go find the full text yourself, I'm sick of this gish gallop.
I will note that you never actually defined a "medical emergency" earlier. Inconvenient, huh?
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MagicMush123 said: Scared of these what ifs. Im sure you avoid roads because getting into a car accident is more likely than all the risks you're so worried about
It's not a what if, it's a when. You're trying to convince me that your party isn't going to do what it explicitly says it will do. That's part of the platform.
The GQP is using straight up abuse tactics. You are as well. Congratulations.
Do you have regular sex? Ive beem having regular sex for almost 10 years with different people and i dont get how a condom could possibly break. No body is worried about condoms breaking because its next to impossible for it to happen
Oh, look at that, let's just completely ignore what I said and bring up some unrelated bullshit. Which also happens to be anecdotal, and therefore can be safely ignored.
Dude, you're not as good at this as you think you are. You need to work on your abuse skills if you ever wanna git gud.
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MagicMush123 said: Scared of these what ifs. Im sure you avoid roads because getting into a car accident is more likely than all the risks you're so worried about
They aren't what ifs. They're things that commonly happen. I was conceieved when my mom was on hormonal birth control. I have two close friends who conceived on hormonal birth control.
When I worked at a doctors office I met MANY women who conceieved on all sorts of birth control.
I have been stealthed. Multiple friends of mind have been stealthed. Working at that same doctors office I did countless STI screenings for women who were stealthed two weeks prior and needed to get checked out.
I've lost count of women that have told me they suffer through birth control that makes them miserable because their boyfriends/husbands refuse to wear condoms or get a vasectomy.
None of these things are as uncommon as you want to think they are so that you can continue with this uneducated self righteous virtue-signaling bullshit.
Oh. And my local planned parenthood asks all women if someone is trying to get them pregnant against their will as part of their domestic violence screening. When I was asked at my last checkup, I asked the tech if they that often. Her response was "more than you'd think."
How can you possibly get stealthed unless you're having sex with someone that you clearly dont know or has a questionable character at best? Thats clearly irresponsible behavior
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MagicMush123 said: Scared of these what ifs. Im sure you avoid roads because getting into a car accident is more likely than all the risks you're so worried about
Maybe you are not familiar with the abortion ruling, which includes this language “ “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”
That’s the right to contraception, the right to engage in sexual activity of your choice and the right to gay marriage.
They just took away one right and it’s right there in plain English that there is a desire to keep going
Maybe you aren’t familiar with the us constitution, but most of our current rights are not actually listed in the constitution. They are created by courts. The right to privacy. The right to marriage. The right to associate with whomever you please. These are unenumerated rights that can be taken away by the Supreme Court and this Supreme Court has demonstrated they are willing to take away your rights. I don’t think you understand how extremely out of touch this court is with Americans.
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MagicMush123 said: Scared of these what ifs. Im sure you avoid roads because getting into a car accident is more likely than all the risks you're so worried about
It's not a what if, it's a when. You're trying to convince me that your party isn't going to do what it explicitly says it will do. That's part of the platform.
The GQP is using straight up abuse tactics. You are as well. Congratulations.
Do you have regular sex? Ive beem having regular sex for almost 10 years with different people and i dont get how a condom could possibly break. No body is worried about condoms breaking because its next to impossible for it to happen
Oh it’s never happened to you so no problem. We should definitely base our public policies on your personal experiences
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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
#27843013 - 06/29/22 09:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Scared of these what ifs. Im sure you avoid roads because getting into a car accident is more likely than all the risks you're so worried about
They aren't what ifs. They're things that commonly happen. I was conceieved when my mom was on hormonal birth control. I have two close friends who conceived on hormonal birth control.
When I worked at a doctors office I met MANY women who conceieved on all sorts of birth control.
I have been stealthed. Multiple friends of mind have been stealthed. Working at that same doctors office I did countless STI screenings for women who were stealthed two weeks prior and needed to get checked out.
I've lost count of women that have told me they suffer through birth control that makes them miserable because their boyfriends/husbands refuse to wear condoms or get a vasectomy.
None of these things are as uncommon as you want to think they are so that you can continue with this uneducated self righteous virtue-signaling bullshit.
Oh. And my local planned parenthood asks all women if someone is trying to get them pregnant against their will as part of their domestic violence screening. When I was asked at my last checkup, I asked the tech if they that often. Her response was "more than you'd think."
How can you possibly get stealthed unless you're having sex with someone that you clearly dont know or has a questionable character at best? Thats clearly irresponsible behavior
Ah yes because it's always the women's fault when a man behaves like a piece of shit.
It was a long term partner who was low key pissed that I had to take a month between switching birth control because I was on a type that caused daily bleeding for months which caused anemia.
But hey, trolling and personal attacks really further your point and are effective ways to get people to think you aren't trash.
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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
#27843022 - 06/29/22 09:23 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Scared of these what ifs. Im sure you avoid roads because getting into a car accident is more likely than all the risks you're so worried about
Maybe you are not familiar with the abortion ruling, which includes this language “ “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”
That’s the right to contraception, the right to engage in sexual activity of your choice and the right to gay marriage.
They just took away one right and it’s right there in plain English that there is a desire to keep going
Maybe you aren’t familiar with the us constitution, but most of our current rights are not actually listed in the constitution. They are created by courts. The right to privacy. The right to marriage. The right to associate with whomever you please. These are unenumerated rights that can be taken away by the Supreme Court and this Supreme Court has demonstrated they are willing to take away your rights. I don’t think you understand how extremely out of touch this court is with Americans.
I never said i completely agreed with the ruling. And because of the ruling you need to take extra precautions to ensure you don't accidentally get pregnant
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But never the men, huh? Only the women need to take those precautions.
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Just mandate vasectomies and call it a day. Men can get multiple people pregnant in a day so why not fix the problem at the source?
They can have it reversed when they've proven they are financially, emotionally, and mentally well enough to raise a child and don't have congenital disorders they can pass on.
Problem solved.
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
#27843033 - 06/29/22 09:29 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: But never the men, huh? Only the women need to take those precautions.
Yep and then if someone rapes us or our birth control fails that's totally our fault too. Anything to avoid taking on even a fraction of the personal responsibility that women are expected to have apparently.
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MagicMush123
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Why would every man need to suffer because some women make bad decisions?
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MagicMush123 said: Why would every man need to suffer because some women make bad decisions?
How is a vasectomy suffering?
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I found a newer copy of 612 on google drive (maybe real) and it dose say:
B. 1. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person shall not purposely perform or attempt to perform an abortion except to save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency.
So you may very well be correct, but its not law yet maybe a oversite.
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MagicMush123 said: Why would every man need to suffer because some women make bad decisions?
How is a vasectomy suffering?
Your solution to women making bad decisions is to force every man to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure. How practical is that?
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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats]
#27843044 - 06/29/22 09:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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donwats said: I found a newer copy of 612 on google drive (maybe real) and it dose say:
B. 1. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person shall not purposely perform or attempt to perform an abortion except to save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency.
So you may very well be correct, but its not law yet maybe a oversite.
It will be the law on August 25th, 2022. It is not an oversight. It is signed and it goes into effect two months from now. They explicitly removed the exceptions for rape and incest, because they wanted to be the "most pro-life state in the country"
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MagicMush123 said: Why would every man need to suffer because some women make bad decisions?
How is a vasectomy suffering?
Your solution to women making bad decisions is to force every man to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure. How practical is that?
Hey hey hey, man, sanctity of life. We must all make sacrifices to protect the innocent pre-born human lives. Think of the pre-born children. It's gotta be done. It's a very necessary medical procedure.
Consequences and all that.
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
#27843058 - 06/29/22 09:40 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Why would every man need to suffer because some women make bad decisions?
How is a vasectomy suffering?
Your solution to women making bad decisions is to force every man to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure. How practical is that?
Hey hey hey, man, sanctity of life. We must all make sacrifices to protect the innocent pre-born human lives. Think of the pre-born children. It's gotta be done. It's a very necessary medical procedure.
Consequences and all that.
Or you could just wear a condom. I do it because i really dont want a baby. Its easy, its quick and its painless
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MagicMush123 said: Why would every man need to suffer because some women make bad decisions?
Holy fuck dude
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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
#27843061 - 06/29/22 09:41 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Huh, interestingly, the Dobbs case contains the sentence
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The constitution reserves to the state--not the courts or medical interest groups--the authority to determine these sterilizing interventions are too dangerous
So they might even go after the right to get sterilized.
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