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Re: Forced birth [Re: MagicMush123]
    #27842858 - 06/29/22 07:58 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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No she should be able to do whatever the fuck she wants with her own body

DMT lol.




Whatever happened to actions have consequences? I mean even if you had the slightest bit of responsibility you could easily avoid getting pregnant




Or you could just be responsible and get an abortion if you don’t want a child



Honestly if you dont want a child you should be taking precautions.




Honestly it’s none of your fucking business


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Re: Forced birth [Re: mushboy]
    #27842863 - 06/29/22 08:02 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Reality is extreme. You are right no one considered rape victims.

Why does ‘your side’ always bury your head in the sand?




Guy says- If a woman chooses to have unprotected sex then she should be responsible enough to take care of these things early on

Koods says- no

I said- mean even if you had the slightest bit of responsibility you could easily avoid getting pregnant

and you bring up rape.

This is jumping to an extreme. And then you insinuate that i didn't even consider it. You dont even know my position on the matter

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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
    #27842867 - 06/29/22 08:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

If thats your only argument then its pretty weak

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Re: Forced birth [Re: varoan]
    #27842884 - 06/29/22 08:17 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Who cares if it's a unique life? All life is unique and we kill it all day every day. What makes a fetus any different?


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Re: Forced birth [Re: Enlil]
    #27842910 - 06/29/22 08:32 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

that's the argument used, I don't.  do you view me as on one side because I repeated what that side is saying?

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Re: Forced birth [Re: MagicMush123]
    #27842928 - 06/29/22 08:38 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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If thats your only argument then its pretty weak




It’s not a weak argument. If a woman wants to vacuum out her fetus, it’s none of your business. It really isn’t.

If you don’t want to be involved in an abortion then don’t fuck women in their vaginas. It’s pretty simple.

Since we have a court that is into taking away rights, maybe they should examine the right to heterosexual sex since it seems to cause so many problems


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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
    #27842932 - 06/29/22 08:41 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I imagine using a vacuum wouldn't be the best way to do an abortion, but sure if that's how she wants to do it it's none of my business

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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
    #27842933 - 06/29/22 08:41 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Pretty sure the refusal to consider rape or incest is because many states are passing laws with no exceptions for either. Which makes it very inconvenient to talk about.

The organization for American pediatrics doctors, I forget what it's called, put out a press release the other day specifically outlining the dangers of forcing an 11 year old girl to carry a baby to term. You could almost hear the facepalm through the text.

It's also very inconvenient to talk about Thomas literally saying that Griswold and Obergefell are next.

And the fact that pro lifers are pushing for a national ban. And a constitutional amendment. Very inconvenient conversations, which is why right wingers don't engage in them.

Just like they didn't talk about overturning Roe. It was simply inconvenient.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
    #27842935 - 06/29/22 08:43 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Its mostly limits on late term abortion no real bans LoL

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/14/abortion-state-laws-bans-roe-supreme-court

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Re: Forced birth [Re: koods]
    #27842939 - 06/29/22 08:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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If thats your only argument then its pretty weak




It’s not a weak argument. If a woman wants to vacuum out her fetus, it’s none of your business. It really isn’t.

If you don’t want to be involved in an abortion then don’t fuck women in their vaginas. It’s pretty simple.

Since we have a court that is into taking away rights, maybe they should examine the right to heterosexual sex since it seems to cause so many problems




I get that but im entitled to my opinion. And in my opinion its fucked up to want to abort your child

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Re: Forced birth [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #27842943 - 06/29/22 08:45 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Unless someone rapes you.





Or your birth control fails or hormonal BC is contraindicated for you and your uterus is too small to accommodate paragard or you have paragard and it fails or you weren't educated about when to have your diaphragm refitted and it fails or Plan B doesn't work or some guy stealths you or the condom breaks or you're between birth controls because whatever hormonal BC you were taking was fucking you up and you had to take a month before you switch to a new BC and the condom breaks or someone stealths you oryour partner refuses to use condoms and promises to pull out and that fails.


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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats]
    #27842947 - 06/29/22 08:46 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Well a lot of later term abortions happen because the fetus is fucked up. Who is going to take care of these tucked up children that were forced to be born?


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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
    #27842948 - 06/29/22 08:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Pretty sure the refusal to consider rape or incest is because many states are passing laws with no exceptions for either. Which makes it very inconvenient to talk about.

The organization for American pediatrics doctors, I forget what it's called, put out a press release the other day specifically outlining the dangers of forcing an 11 year old girl to carry a baby to term. You could almost hear the facepalm through the text.

It's also very inconvenient to talk about Thomas literally saying that Griswold and Obergefell are next.

And the fact that pro lifers are pushing for a national ban. And a constitutional amendment. Very inconvenient conversations, which is why right wingers don't engage in them.

Just like they didn't talk about overturning Roe. It was simply inconvenient.




Read the last paragraph and note the date:

https://oklahoma.gov/governor/newsroom/newsroom/2022/june2022/governor-stitt--ag-o-connor-celebrate-oklahoma-becoming-a-pro-li.html

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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats] * 1
    #27842950 - 06/29/22 08:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Oklahoma literally banned abortions at the moment of fertilization with no exceptions for rape or incest.

Very inconvenient to acknowledge that.

SD, and I believe Missouri, is talking about criminalizing out of state travel.

Also very inconvenient.

Right wing talking points basically come down to "calm down calm down we promise we won't break our promises this time"

I've also noticed a parallel between apologetics and modern GOP talking points. Apologetics used to always respond to atheists by asking them why they were so angry, and now the GOP does it to liberals. It's just gaslighting.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Patchouli_Savage]
    #27842955 - 06/29/22 08:49 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Scared of these what ifs. Im sure you avoid roads because getting into a car accident is more likely than all the risks you're so worried about

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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats]
    #27842964 - 06/29/22 08:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Pretty sure the refusal to consider rape or incest is because many states are passing laws with no exceptions for either. Which makes it very inconvenient to talk about.

The organization for American pediatrics doctors, I forget what it's called, put out a press release the other day specifically outlining the dangers of forcing an 11 year old girl to carry a baby to term. You could almost hear the facepalm through the text.

It's also very inconvenient to talk about Thomas literally saying that Griswold and Obergefell are next.

And the fact that pro lifers are pushing for a national ban. And a constitutional amendment. Very inconvenient conversations, which is why right wingers don't engage in them.

Just like they didn't talk about overturning Roe. It was simply inconvenient.




Read the last paragraph and note the date:

https://oklahoma.gov/governor/newsroom/newsroom/2022/june2022/governor-stitt--ag-o-connor-celebrate-oklahoma-becoming-a-pro-li.html




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Simply put, Section 861 prohibits abortion in the short term, and Senate Bill 612, passed this year, will become the primary prohibition once the law takes effect on August 25, 2022. Until then, civil penalties could likely be obtained throughout pregnancy under House Bill 4327, which includes exceptions for rape and incest, and became effective May 25, 2022.




Guess what exemptions SB612 gets rid of?

See? Gaslighting. The dude straight up sent me a link saying that the exceptions for rape or incest will cease to exist two months from now, as evidence that Oklahoma isn't going to do it.

How stupid do you think I am?

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Re: Forced birth [Re: MagicMush123]
    #27842971 - 06/29/22 08:54 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Scared of these what ifs. Im sure you avoid roads because getting into a car accident is more likely than all the risks you're so worried about




It's not a what if, it's a when. You're trying to convince me that your party isn't going to do what it explicitly says it will do. That's part of the platform.

The GQP is using straight up abuse tactics. You are as well. Congratulations.

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Re: Forced birth [Re: Kryptos]
    #27842976 - 06/29/22 08:57 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)


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Re: Forced birth [Re: MagicMush123]
    #27842983 - 06/29/22 08:59 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Scared of these what ifs. Im sure you avoid roads because getting into a car accident is more likely than all the risks you're so worried about





They aren't what ifs. They're things that commonly happen. I was conceieved when my mom was on hormonal birth control. I have two close friends who conceived on hormonal birth control.

When I worked at a doctors office I met MANY women who conceieved on all sorts of birth control.

I have been stealthed. Multiple friends of mind have been stealthed. Working at that same doctors office I did countless STI screenings for women who were stealthed two weeks prior and needed to get checked out.

I've lost count of women that have told me they suffer through birth control that makes them miserable because their boyfriends/husbands refuse to wear condoms or get a vasectomy.

None of these things are as uncommon as you want to think they are so that you can continue with this uneducated self righteous virtue-signaling bullshit.

Oh. And my local planned parenthood asks all women if someone is trying to get them pregnant against their will as part of their domestic violence screening. When I was asked at my last checkup, I asked the tech if they that often. Her response was "more than you'd think."


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Re: Forced birth [Re: donwats]
    #27842985 - 06/29/22 09:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

IC it on oklahoman.com but thats the the official website, and it states "does not punish women seeking an abortion" so you can just go elsewhere.

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